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  • dsmx 1 Oct 2007 13:29:35 7,734 posts
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    Yes people top gear returns this Sunday at 8.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • megastar 1 Oct 2007 13:31:40 17,197 posts
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    ....and on that bombshell
  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 13:32:22 36,446 posts
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    Can't wait - I was seriously worried a few months back when Clarkson was saying that Top Gear might never return.

    BBC would be insane to shelve it: it's popular around the world.
  • tombo 1 Oct 2007 13:32:43 2,100 posts
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    Hmm.. I've seen a trailer.

    Oh dear: there's a clip of James May in water with a life jacket and Clarkson talking to him on a boat... or.. is it.. YES it's a car made into a boat again. They're ripping off their own ideas FFS!
  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 13:33:56
    Hopefully it breaks the trend of total silliness the last couple of series has introduced.
  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 13:38:13 36,446 posts
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    ManicMinerUK wrote:
    Does anyone else really miss the days when Top Gear was a tv show about cars, instead of the "middle-aged Jackass" nonsense hour its turned in to?

    Nope, not at all. It HAD to move on from those days because it was just another TV show about cars. If you want that kind of entertainment, watch Fifth Gear.

    Top Gear is brilliant entertainment, the fact that it features cars is not really that important.
  • The_Foo_Fighter 1 Oct 2007 13:38:44 724 posts
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    Top Gear remains one of my favourite shows on any channel, even if only for the stunning and imaginative camera work.

    Good on the Beeb for bringing it back.
  • spindizzy 1 Oct 2007 13:39:57 6,616 posts
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    ManicMinerUK wrote:
    Does anyone else really miss the days when Top Gear was a tv show about cars, instead of the "middle-aged Jackass" nonsense hour its turned in to?

    Nope. Plenty of "sensible" (i.e. boring and humourless) car shows out there if that's what you want. Let us have our fun!

    Edit: beaten to it.
  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 13:46:33 36,446 posts
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    The_Foo_Fighter wrote:
    Top Gear remains one of my favourite shows on any channel, even if only for the stunning and imaginative camera work.

    Good on the Beeb for bringing it back.

    Absolutely. I think people often overlook the production values and camera work which just gets better and better in every series.

    Say what you want about the BBC, but when they really get things right they can still churn out a fucking good piece of television.
  • glaeken 1 Oct 2007 13:47:31 11,266 posts
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    ManicMinerUK wrote:
    Does anyone else really miss the days when Top Gear was a tv show about cars, instead of the "middle-aged Jackass" nonsense hour its turned in to?

    I think there was a stage where it was halfway into the new format but had not yet become the Clarkson comedy show which was when it was at its best.

    The last couple of series have just been an embarrassment that could all be summed up by the road resurfacing challenge where Clarkson's comedy trousers fell down as he ran down the road.
  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 13:50:12
    glaeken wrote:
    ManicMinerUK wrote:
    Does anyone else really miss the days when Top Gear was a tv show about cars, instead of the "middle-aged Jackass" nonsense hour its turned in to?

    I think there was a stage where it was halfway into the new format but had not yet become the Clarkson comedy show which was when it was at its best.

    The last couple of series have just been an embarrassment that could all be summed up by the road resurfacing challenge where Clarkson's comedy trousers fell down as he ran down the road.

    This is exactly what I mean. Turning a Reliant Robin into a space shuttle? Get a fucking grip and make with the car porn.
  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 13:53:50 36,446 posts
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    boabg wrote:

    This is exactly what I mean. Turning a Reliant Robin into a space shuttle? Get a fucking grip and make with the car porn.

    Like it's been said, there are plenty of programmes featuring 'car porn' - just watch Viki-whatsername razzing around in Ferraris if you want that. Top Gear is a unique piece of television and it should stay in its current format.
  • jellyhead 1 Oct 2007 13:54:59 24,350 posts
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    Parts of it are still great, parts of it are terrible and unfunny, Ymmv.

    *shrugs*

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  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 13:56:39
    JuanKerr wrote:
    boabg wrote:

    This is exactly what I mean. Turning a Reliant Robin into a space shuttle? Get a fucking grip and make with the car porn.

    Like it's been said, there are plenty of programmes featuring 'car porn' - just watch Viki-whatsername razzing around in Ferraris if you want that. Top Gear is a unique piece of television and it should stay in its current format.

    Nobody does car porn like Top Gear. It's how they made their name and built the fanbase they have. I love their sense of humour and the way the car parts are shot.

    Adding ridiculous comedy sketches to the program every week adds fuck all to it.
  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 13:59:09 36,446 posts
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    boabg wrote:
    JuanKerr wrote:
    boabg wrote:

    This is exactly what I mean. Turning a Reliant Robin into a space shuttle? Get a fucking grip and make with the car porn.

    Like it's been said, there are plenty of programmes featuring 'car porn' - just watch Viki-whatsername razzing around in Ferraris if you want that. Top Gear is a unique piece of television and it should stay in its current format.

    Nobody does car porn like Top Gear. It's how they made their name and built the fanbase they have. I love their sense of humour and the way the car parts are shot.

    Adding ridiculous comedy sketches to the program every week adds fuck all to it.

    I agree that their car porn is great, but do you not think that 1 hour solid of just that would get a bit tiresome? The mixture of the two is what makes the programme unique and it has also massively increased the fanbase.

    If Top Gear hadn't changed, it would have died off years ago.
  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 14:00:45
    Some of it is quite chucklesome, the carboats and the caravan for instance.

    I think with their humour and way of presenting it could be carried off. Just need to reign in the daftness a bit.
  • pjmaybe 1 Oct 2007 14:02:02 70,676 posts
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    I actually really liked Charlie Brooker's take on the caravan incident.

    Oh and Hammond crashes. Again.

    Peej
  • spindizzy 1 Oct 2007 14:02:08 6,616 posts
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    boabg wrote:
    JuanKerr wrote:
    boabg wrote:

    This is exactly what I mean. Turning a Reliant Robin into a space shuttle? Get a fucking grip and make with the car porn.

    Like it's been said, there are plenty of programmes featuring 'car porn' - just watch Viki-whatsername razzing around in Ferraris if you want that. Top Gear is a unique piece of television and it should stay in its current format.

    Nobody does car porn like Top Gear. It's how they made their name and built the fanbase they have. I love their sense of humour and the way the car parts are shot.

    Adding ridiculous comedy sketches to the program every week adds fuck all to it.

    The ridiculous comedy sketches are the best bit!


  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife 1 Oct 2007 14:03:51 7,022 posts
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    JuanKerr wrote:
    I agree that their car porn is great, but do you not think that 1 hour solid of just that would get a bit tiresome? The mixture of the two is what makes the programme unique and it has also massively increased the fanbase.

    If Top Gear hadn't changed, it would have died off years ago.

    True, now it's one of the most popular programmes the BBC makes and is ridiculously successful worldwide.

    Somehow I think they'll be sticking with the current format for a while to come.
  • glaeken 1 Oct 2007 14:05:02 11,266 posts
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    boabg wrote:
    Some of it is quite chucklesome, the carboats and the caravan for instance.

    I think with their humour and way of presenting it could be carried off. Just need to reign in the daftness a bit.

    Indeed. See comedy trousers falling down for an example of the type of thing to remove.

  • President_Weasel 1 Oct 2007 14:12:20 9,674 posts
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    the caravan one stank. So obviously staged and such a lack of imagination and flair. Oh look! they hilariously bashed the caravan into a bollard! Now the dishes are broken, oh ha ha! Now the caravan is on fire in a transparently staged way!
    If you're going to do staged, Some Mother's Do Ave Em type, oh look we are bumbling idiots ha ha, comedy then get some better writers and maybe some leads that can act a bit.

    Even better, don't script it and stage it nearly so much. I'd far rather a fifth of the incidents happened if I could believe that the remaining ones were genuine.

    The carboats one was better, I'll admit.

    The one with the convertible people carrier was OK til they did the bloody stupid bit with the car wash.


    The presenters are personable enough, but I just get the feeling they were trying too hard all last series with those staged sequences.
  • pjmaybe 1 Oct 2007 14:14:23 70,676 posts
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    It's a great show, just so long as you don't make the mistake of thinking it's a motoring consumer show. It's basically "Last of the Summer wine" but in cars.

    That would make Richard Hammond Compo then.

    Peej
  • PES_Fanboy 1 Oct 2007 14:14:34 18,999 posts
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    Are we really championing a return to William Woollard-era Top Gear?

    Every week was from the Birmingham Motor Show, and it was always dull.

    I like TG for the way it adds the irreverance to the whole proceedings. If every TV show had to stick rigidly to its subject matter, wouldn't it make telly boring?
  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 14:15:41
    I don't think anyone has said that or even inferred it tbh.
  • pjmaybe 1 Oct 2007 14:23:12 70,676 posts
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    boabg wrote:
    I don't think anyone has said that or even inferred it tbh.

    Gawd no, you only have to look at Fifth Gear or any of the other motoring proggies on telly to see how shite that idea would be.

    I just wish Top Gear wouldn't play to the "moron" element of society quite as much as it does.

    Peej
  • pjmaybe 1 Oct 2007 14:27:43 70,676 posts
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    I thought the North Pole episode was a step too far as well...

    That's the sort of stuff I'd like to see less of. All that fucking shite basically in denial of climate change and people's responsibility to stop being ignorant selfish cuntbags.

    Peej
  • PES_Fanboy 1 Oct 2007 14:35:49 18,999 posts
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    pjmaybe wrote:
    I thought the North Pole episode was a step too far as well...

    That's the sort of stuff I'd like to see less of. All that fucking shite basically in denial of climate change and people's responsibility to stop being ignorant selfish cuntbags.

    Peej

    Hmm, I'm not sure they could do that AND then drive a supercar round the track at Warp 9 without getting accused of a little duplicity.

    Could they?

    I get your point I guess - there's no need to go to extremes - but they have to either balance it really finely or just go the route they have and seemingly not give a fuck.
  • glaeken 1 Oct 2007 14:39:10 11,266 posts
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    ManicMinerUK wrote:
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    I think they realised that actually the stars of the show weren't the cars, but the three presenters whose on-screen chemistry is hilarious. Especially on the occasions when they lose it with each other. Personally I thought the polar expedition hour long special a few months back was the best documentry challenge of the year, probably the best bit of reality television of the year. James and Clarkson in a car driving for hours crashing into ice 'cos Clarkson is a fools rush in kind of guy :)

    The arguments are scripted, you know...

    Yeah its all so obviously scripted I just don't see how some of you guys don't see it.

    Ad-lib on TV when it works is great but scripting something to try and make it look ad-lib is actually arse clingingly bad.

  • JuanKerr 1 Oct 2007 14:40:22 36,446 posts
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    ManicMinerUK wrote:

    The arguments are scripted, you know...

    Are you sure?
  • Deleted user 1 October 2007 14:44:20
    I find myself really starting to dislike Top Gear these days, having really loved it for years. They had the balance right about three or four years ago in the early Hammond days, but now it just feels sooooooo scripted and predictable, and Clarkson isn't funny at all and James is annoying but not quite in the way he's supposed to be and they really suck up to the guests and I HATE IT!!!!!

    Yeah, it's jumped the shark, needs another reboot.
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