The Hip-Hop Appreciation Thread Page 128

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  • Deleted user 9 February 2013 09:27:45
    Kovacs77 wrote:
    Pepsipop wrote:
    I'm bored so a list to debate.

    1. Jay z
    2. Scarface
    3. Notorious big
    4. NAS
    5. Clipse ( I could them as one )
    6. Black thought
    7. Jadakiss
    8. Krs one
    9. Rakim
    10. Ghostface
    11. Eminem
    12. Mos def
    13. Redman
    14. Big daddy Kane
    15. 2pac
    16. Big l
    17. Styles p
    18. Big pun
    19. Guru
    20. Talib kweli
    21. Common
    22. Raekwon
    23. Ll cool j
    24. Dmx (would be far higher if he stayed retired years ago)
    25. Kanye west

    Now I'm sure I've missed some of my favourites as that off the top of my head.

    Edit.. J Cole should be in there for sure, forgot him.
    It's like the last 15 years never happened.
    Damn, you right. Only the clipse and kanye west in that list are relatively new. Everyone else been around for ages. Depressing.
  • Kovacs77 9 Feb 2013 09:38:36 550 posts
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    Is it that you've listened to recent stuff and found it lacking, or you've not listened to much modern stuff in the 1st place? This threads a fine starting point for a modernisation!

    And re: Drake, yes, technically he CAN rap, his delivery is very samey though, I've not heard much of his own stuff admittedly (lifes too short, i dont like hiphop aimed at girls / slow jamz in general so im unlikely to think a Drake album is worth a tenner of my money etc etc) but every time Ive heard him as a guest or as part of a crew his is always the weakest flow.

    Edited by Kovacs77 at 09:50:13 09-02-2013

    Edited by Kovacs77 at 09:50:42 09-02-2013
  • Deleted user 9 February 2013 09:58:58
    I don't listen to rap as much as all the music channels now only play shit rap. The stuff I hear is severely lacking, intact it is mostly terrible.
    To be fair I don't go hunting no more so only come across what on music channels or digital radio.
    The other day in gym there was a hip hop show on 1xtra, it was shocking.

    Right now I'm listening to scarface - emeritus. Now if it came out now I probably wouldn't know it was out because all media seem transfixed on shit rap.

    So the short answer is I hate most modern rap but at the same time I am sure there are many albums that I don't know about because they are hidden.

    Only album in past twelve months that I think is amazing is NAS - life is good. Sure I enjoyed others like fear of god 2, cruel summer but there is still something missing.

    Edit..styles p master of the ceremony was pretty tight too.

    Edited by Pepsipop at 10:01:11 09-02-2013
  • Syrette 9 Feb 2013 10:04:01 49,332 posts
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    @Pepsipop

    What is being suggested is that you use this very thread to source decent modern hip-hop. Plenty of recommendations over the last few pages.
  • Deleted user 9 February 2013 10:09:27
    @Syrette I know. I do mean to check them all.
    I have clicked on three, two were terrible and one was pretty good but nothing to get me excited. I will sit down though and try all.
  • Syrette 9 Feb 2013 10:11:32 49,332 posts
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    @Pepsipop

    Start with People Under the Stairs, and end with People Under the Stairs.
  • Deleted user 9 February 2013 10:13:15
    What they like? As in style etc?
  • monkehhh 9 Feb 2013 11:24:29 4,739 posts
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    Blaketown wrote:
    Enjoyed this new Underachievers Mixtape.
    http://www.datpiff.com/The-Underachievers-Indigoism-mixtape.449545.html

    So you know what to expect, I think they are in some way linked to Joey Bada$$.

    Sample:
    Really enjoying this, mix of allsorts of stuff - and it's free :)
  • Blaketown 9 Feb 2013 13:01:17 5,658 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    What they like? As in style etc?
    I suspect they won't be your cup of tea.

    I love them but their flows are a bit basic. They are all about the production. But in a dusty crate digging, rare-groove sort of way rather than shiny big budget production.

    Edited by Blaketown at 13:03:54 09-02-2013
  • smoothpete 11 Feb 2013 17:03:44 34,351 posts
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    Is there a better producer that Primo? No. No, there is not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow6WpH_7WOM
  • Deleted user 11 February 2013 17:08:31
    RZA :)
  • SuperCoolEskimo 11 Feb 2013 22:55:34 11,261 posts
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    RZA is the man but his newer stuff doesn't touch his earlier material.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:07:01
    Sadly not, but it's because he pushes himself not to just rinse and repeat a formula.
  • ISmoke 12 Feb 2013 11:11:38 1,690 posts
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    @smoothpete I'd argue that Kanye West is one of the best producers around.

    Then again, i'm a fan of the guy - even if he comes across as a dick, that's what I like about him.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:21:40
    I can't deny the talent but it's not for me. The likes of Primo, RZA, Pete Rock, Dilla and co made beats that sound pure and raw. That for me is hip hop. The likes of Kanye, Will-I-Am and Pharell do something else that I can't really get on with. Too polished and synthetic somehow.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:27:05
    K. West is a beast. His older stuff was nice but his more recent stuff is phenomenal. My dark twisted fantasy, cruel summer, watch the throne.

    Neptunes, although they make some nice happy beats like change clothes and holla back girl they are the number one producers to call if you needed a heavy bad ass beat...la la la, grinding, drop it like its hot, nothin etc.
  • ISmoke 12 Feb 2013 11:30:03 1,690 posts
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    I get what you're saying though i wouldn't put Will-I-Am in the same sentence as Kanye or Pharell.

    Kanye for me just has it all musically, lyrically (Ok, maybe 808's and heartbeats was his weakest album with all of that autotune rubbish) and production wise. College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation and especially My Twisted Dark Fantasy are all fantastic albums. Though RZA does make many classics and in my eyes; anyone that was able to be in Wu-Tang is nothing short of a legend.


    Did the Neptures make N.O.R.E - Nothin'? Now i think about it, it's quite blatant.

    Edited by ISmoke at 11:31:32 12-02-2013
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:34:55
    Yes they did along with countless other monsters in the past decade.
  • Kay 12 Feb 2013 11:39:42 19,413 posts
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    I remember when Kanye burst onto the scene with This Can't Be Life - smooth and soulful with old-school leanings. He's got a completely different sound now, basically progressive hip-hop. Can understand why many old-school hip-hop fans don't get on with that, but you can't deny he's successfully expanded the credibility and mainstream acceptance of the genre.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:44:38
    ISmoke wrote:
    I get what you're saying though i wouldn't put Will-I-Am in the same sentence as Kanye or Pharell.

    Kanye for me just has it all musically, lyrically (Ok, maybe 808's and heartbeats was his weakest album with all of that autotune rubbish) and production wise. College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation and especially My Twisted Dark Fantasy are all fantastic albums. Though RZA does make many classics and in my eyes; anyone that was able to be in Wu-Tang is nothing short of a legend.


    Did the Neptures make N.O.R.E - Nothin'? Now i think about it, it's quite blatant.
    Again, I don't deny the talent, it's just a slightly different approach to beatmaking that doesn't resonate with me so much.

    For me Reasonable Doubt was a watershed album. That was when hip hop started to move away from pure soul and funk loops and such, and start to be more RnB influenced in the beat style. Neptunes and Kanye and the like are very much products of what happened to hip hop after that, and it will never really be to my taste broadly (although the odd track does hit the spot if I'm honest).
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:46:09
    K.west is so diverse now. When he was producing on albums like the blueprint the fix and college dropout you could always say that's a k. West beat.

    Now he can make anything. Things like niggas in Paris, runaway and clique are so totally different to say gold digger or diamonds.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:48:51
    kalel wrote:
    ISmoke wrote:
    I get what you're saying though i wouldn't put Will-I-Am in the same sentence as Kanye or Pharell.

    Kanye for me just has it all musically, lyrically (Ok, maybe 808's and heartbeats was his weakest album with all of that autotune rubbish) and production wise. College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation and especially My Twisted Dark Fantasy are all fantastic albums. Though RZA does make many classics and in my eyes; anyone that was able to be in Wu-Tang is nothing short of a legend.


    Did the Neptures make N.O.R.E - Nothin'? Now i think about it, it's quite blatant.
    Again, I don't deny the talent, it's just a slightly different approach to beatmaking that doesn't resonate with me so much.

    For me Reasonable Doubt was a watershed album. That was when hip hop started to move away from pure soul and funk loops and such, and start to be more RnB influenced in the beat style. Neptunes and Kanye and the like are very much products of what happened to hip hop after that, and it will never really be to my taste broadly (although the odd track does hit the spot if I'm honest).
    I think k west beats are now influenced by underground UK music. He has been sampling drum and bass and dubstep amongst other things.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:52:04
    Anyway, we were talking about Primo.

    That's what I'm talking about.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:54:32
    And that.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:55:08
    And that.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 11:55:38
    And of course that.
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 12:15:25
    Premo awesome too of course. Most of my favourite beats of his were gang starr ones. Outta here krs one is another fav.
  • Load_2.0 12 Feb 2013 12:53:39 25,858 posts
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    Aha.
  • ISmoke 12 Feb 2013 13:42:08 1,690 posts
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    Sorry to change the subject. Me and my friends were talking about Andre 3000 yesterday. I think he is one of the better rappers out there, do you reckon he is all that?
  • Deleted user 12 February 2013 13:46:29
    Yes and no. He got mad skills but totally not for me in the slightest.
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