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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 19:19:37 77,634 posts
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    NCASE M1 maybe.

    No idea, I'm not a fan of mini cases, I don't se the point in them at all.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 19:21:29 23-01-2014

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:20:14 2,641 posts
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    @Razz I have the same fancy cooling system apparently ;) As for the PSU; it's the Silverstone SST-ST45SF. That's about the only choice I had for this case but I went with the modular version instead (used one for my 1st build as well, lovely).

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:21:31 2,641 posts
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    @Dirtbox Hm, how about this one? Plenty of breathing room for the GPU, yes?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 19:21:50 23-01-2014

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  • Moot_Point 23 Jan 2014 19:21:40 3,958 posts
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    WOW! That case is terrible.

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  • graysonavich 23 Jan 2014 19:23:27 7,319 posts
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    I question the logic of anyone who doesn't buy a Fractal Design Define R4 case.

    Mini-cases, what are they all about?
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 19:25:09 77,634 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Dirtbox Hm, how about this one? Plenty of breathing room for the GPU, yes?
    The motherboard is in there sideways which adds a load of width, which is just stupid. Better to have it in upside down so the GPU is at the top and the CPU and RAM is at the bottom imo.

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  • Arrr9 23 Jan 2014 19:27:40 414 posts
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    @-cerberus- Yeah, shame it's worked out like it has. My pc looks a total mess compared to that and the my case has the size and look of the monolith from 2001.

    The air flow the GPU is getting on that case is awful though, the only decent cooling system that would work on that would be a leaf blower.

    Fractal do make some nice cases though, using the Arc R2 to hold everything together in mine and it's a great case. I'm guessing you want something more compact though and don't blame you after seeing the size of that mini case.
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 19:29:15 77,634 posts
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    I've got a 3 foot tall beige tower from an old IBM server and it kicks ass. Looks something like this:

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:31:45 2,641 posts
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    @Dirtbox I don't mind the width though. I mounted the Asus Maximus V Gene of my first build horizontally as well in a cube-like case.

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  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 19:32:58 60,993 posts
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    You might want to consider the Corsair Carbide series. I use the 300R. Best case I've ever owned.

    http://www.corsair.com/en/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case.html

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:36:38 2,641 posts
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    @Razz Pretty but quite expensive. I think I've found a decent replacement; it's only 38 here.

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  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 19:40:51 60,993 posts
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    Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:48:27 2,641 posts
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    Will do.

    Thank you all very much for your honest comments and advice. Much obliged!

    Edited by -cerberus- at 19:48:50 23-01-2014

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  • Arrr9 23 Jan 2014 19:50:20 414 posts
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    @-cerberus- The case you linked to looks to have a big old vent for your GPU cooling so should be good to go on this case hopefully. Would be interested to know how you get on with it too, kind of fancy mini cased pc.

    Edited by Arrr9 at 19:51:20 23-01-2014
  • MMMarmite 23 Jan 2014 20:13:35 1,013 posts
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    Does seem like the card is getting starved of cool air, have you tried running it in another PC though just to make sure it's not a manufacturing issue with the card?

    Another Carbide user here, it's big but I can stack things on it without having to worry about airflow ;)

    Edited by MMMarmite at 20:13:48 23-01-2014
  • Fake_Blood 23 Jan 2014 20:14:31 4,144 posts
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    @-cerberus- I've got a BitFenix Prodigy mini-ITX case, I highly recommend it, got a 780 in there no problems.
  • Sharzam 23 Jan 2014 20:36:58 2,816 posts
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    Wouldn't mind that case for myself (the first OP one) in fact, i am not planning on putting in a huge discrete graphics card. Just an AMD APU for a baby media PC in the living room.

    How much did you pay for it ? Is it cheaper than the 'good' ones being recommended?

    (My main desktop is a Antec 900, so be nice to have a small one also)

    Edited by Sharzam at 20:41:36 23-01-2014

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  • Jeepers 23 Jan 2014 20:45:06 13,173 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    Jeepers wrote:
    Razz wrote:
    Take of picture of the inside of case and the surrounding environment and post it here. Sounds like you have an airflow/cooling issue. Could be your cable management or a failed fan. Or ultimately a faulty gfx card.
    Please also take a photo of the room in which the PC is located. Could be that you have non-thermal paint in there.
    Don't do this. Jeepers thinks he's a comedian.
    Well spotted. Glad to see that the years haven't dulled your famously keen mind.
  • TVoJ 23 Jan 2014 21:04:47 1,852 posts
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    I have a Sugo 4 mate and it's mega. No regrets from me.







    edit - just open em in a new tab, they will work. Stoopid EG/DB

    Edited by TVoJ at 21:06:44 23-01-2014
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 21:10:50 2,641 posts
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    Took everything out of the case and installed it on an open testbench. Played through the entire first chapter of American Nightmare (everything maxed out) for about 25-30 minutes and wrote down some numbers as I left the computer idle on Windows. Game ran smooth as butter with minor hickups during checkpoint saves. The MSI Afterburner results are as follows:

    Power: min 6% - max 101%
    GPU Temp: min 34C (still went down as I wrote this) - max 81C
    GPU Usage: min 0 - max 99
    Fan Speed: min 26 - max 41
    Fan Tachometer: min 1110 - max 1470
    Core Clock: min 135 - max 1189
    Memory Clock: min 324 - max 3005
    Memory Usage: min 109 - max 831

    So, big fekkin' difference with the previous numbers! But the max temp being 81C outside of a case worries me... Your thoughts, gents?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 21:11:55 23-01-2014

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  • Carlo 23 Jan 2014 21:15:33 17,983 posts
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    I think you could make this work in this case, but you'll need some pretty good air management inside the case.

    I'd love to do something like this as a project. Expecially trying to also keep it a quiet as possible too.

    Good luck! Don't completely abandon that case yet!

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  • Fake_Blood 23 Jan 2014 21:57:27 4,144 posts
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    That max core clock of 1189 is a bit high, this thing is overclocked isn't it?
    Even if you lower the clockspeed though, you would still need to cut some fairly large holes under the GPU to let fresh air in. You can stick those SSD/HDDs anywhere in the case with a bit of double sided tape.
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 22:10:30 2,641 posts
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    @Fake_Blood Yeah I think it's OC'd out of the box. More info here. Although those numbers seem to be quite a bit lower than mine...
    What about the temperature, 81C, still too hot? How will lowering the clock speed impact overal performance (ps: I don't know much about overclocking)?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 22:12:22 23-01-2014

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  • Armoured_Bear 23 Jan 2014 22:10:37 10,503 posts
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    I use the Lian Li PC-C60.
    It's expensive but is very living room friendly and has great airflow and build quality.

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  • Arrr9 23 Jan 2014 22:17:05 414 posts
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    @-cerberus- The GPU does look to be running very hot but it seems to be fairly normal from what I can gather for a 760 - still seems high to me. I've never seen my 7950 get beyond about 60 from the odd speedfan check I've made but different graphic cards I suppose.
  • Fake_Blood 23 Jan 2014 22:27:55 4,144 posts
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    I think 81 is more or less normal, it's a short card with a smaller heatsink.
    Just strange that they'd make an ITX card and then OC it too.
  • Arrr9 23 Jan 2014 22:34:18 414 posts
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    Never knew some of the smaller form cards ran quite so hot until I had a wee look around, makes perfect sense that they do. Kind of nifty though all the same to be able to cram something like a 760 inside a case you can fit alongside your amp etc.
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 22:39:19 2,641 posts
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    Maybe I'll try to lower the clock speed once it's inside the new Silverstone case, see what happens.

    Say, just wondering, could a decent single slot GPU work in my PC-TU100?

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  • uiruki 23 Jan 2014 22:56:58 3,675 posts
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    If you're concerned about heat, you might prefer to increase the fan a bit. I bet you can barely hear it at 41%. See how it performs in the Silverstone first, though, and anyway, 81 degrees is fine for a load temperature. As a comparison, my stock fan/800MHz 570 gets to about 88-89 under heavy load (BF4/Sleeping Dogs), but Fermi was a very hot design and my card's three years old.
  • -cerberus- 24 Jan 2014 00:01:37 2,641 posts
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    @Sharzam The price I paid for the Lian Li PC-TU100B was 92. Rather expensive for what it is, I suppose.

    @uiruki Indeed, could hardly hear it spinning at 41% during my second test outside of the case.

    Edited by -cerberus- at 00:02:36 24-01-2014

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