Built a new PC - Something's wrong

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 18:29:15 2,647 posts
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    So, I built a new PC today. My second build ever. i5 4670 @ 3.4, MSI Z87I Gaming AC, MSI N760 2GD5 OC ITX, Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB @ 1866MHz. Everything works fine & whisper quiet up until I try to play a game on it. For instance, Alan Wake's American Nightmare (GOG version) runs like butter with everything maxed out, but after 5 minutes the GPU fan goes mental (game still runs fine though). I decided to run MSI Afterburner and write down some results while playing:

    Power: min 7% - max 95%
    GPU Temp: min 39C - max 93C
    GPU Usage: min 0 - max 94
    Fan Speed: min 26 - max 81
    Fan Tachometer: min 1200 - max 2850
    Core Clock: min 135 - max 1169
    Memory Clock: min 324 - max 3005
    Memory Usage: min 116 - max 835

    This is not normal, is it? Can someone help me fix this?

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    EDIT:

    Took everything out of the case and installed it on an open testbench. Played through the entire first chapter of American Nightmare (everything maxed out) for about 25-30 minutes and wrote down some numbers as I left the computer idle on Windows. Game ran smooth as butter with minor hickups during checkpoint saves. The MSI Afterburner results are as follows:

    Power: min 6% - max 101%
    GPU Temp: min 34C (still went down as I wrote this) - max 81C
    GPU Usage: min 0 - max 99
    Fan Speed: min 26 - max 41
    Fan Tachometer: min 1110 - max 1470
    Core Clock: min 135 - max 1189
    Memory Clock: min 324 - max 3005
    Memory Usage: min 109 - max 831

    So, big fekkin' difference with the previous numbers! But the max temp being 81C outside of a case worries me... Your thoughts, gents?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 21:21:34 23-01-2014

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  • Fake_Blood 23 Jan 2014 18:38:33 4,149 posts
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    There is something wrong with the cooling of your GPU. 93C is way too high, it should max out around 70. So either the GPU card is faulty, there might be something wrong with the fans or there's not a good contact between the heatsink and the GPU chip, or, the card is not getting enough cool air inside your case.
  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 18:40:04 61,001 posts
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    Take of picture of the inside of case and the surrounding environment and post it here. Sounds like you have an airflow/cooling issue. Could be your cable management or a failed fan. Or ultimately a faulty gfx card.

    Edited by Razz at 18:41:09 23-01-2014

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  • graysonavich 23 Jan 2014 18:41:05 7,320 posts
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    Are your cables made of molten lava?
  • Jeepers 23 Jan 2014 18:42:56 13,173 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    Take of picture of the inside of case and the surrounding environment and post it here. Sounds like you have an airflow/cooling issue. Could be your cable management or a failed fan. Or ultimately a faulty gfx card.
    Please also take a photo of the room in which the PC is located. Could be that you have non-thermal paint in there.
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 18:43:40 2,647 posts
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    @Fake Blood & Razz: The whole thing is built inside a Lian Li PC-TU100 mini-ITX case, but I made sure I got the best fans I could afford: Noctua NF-S12A PWM (case) & Noctua NH-L9I (cpu cooler).
    Will edit this post with a picture in a few minutes.

    Edited by -cerberus- at 18:44:29 23-01-2014

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  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 18:44:34 61,001 posts
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    Jeepers wrote:
    Razz wrote:
    Take of picture of the inside of case and the surrounding environment and post it here. Sounds like you have an airflow/cooling issue. Could be your cable management or a failed fan. Or ultimately a faulty gfx card.
    Please also take a photo of the room in which the PC is located. Could be that you have non-thermal paint in there.
    Don't do this. Jeepers thinks he's a comedian.

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 18:51:11 2,647 posts
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    @Razz There we are: click. It is a bit cramped in there, yes, but if there wasn't sufficient airflow the whole thing would overheat in a matter of minutes without playing a game, no?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 18:53:02 23-01-2014

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 18:51:32 77,650 posts
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    Are both the fans turning on the GPU? Seems like one is either stuck or busted.

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  • graysonavich 23 Jan 2014 18:51:55 7,320 posts
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    What are the power/temps like on idle in Windows?
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 18:53:18 77,650 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Razz There we are: http://i.imgur.com/g8EIPub.jpg
    Oh, I think I see the problem - unless there's some pretty adequate venting on the side the GPU is against, it's not going to cool for shit. Time to get the dremel out or leave the case off.

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 18:54:05 77,650 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    no?
    No.

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  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 18:55:36 61,001 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Razz There we are: click. It is a bit cramped in there, yes, but if there wasn't sufficient airflow the whole thing would overheat in a matter of minutes without playing a game, no?
    Mother of God. Mate, that is no way near enough clearance for that fan. Listen to what dirtbox said or get a bigger case.

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  • graysonavich 23 Jan 2014 18:55:48 7,320 posts
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    Holy shit!
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 18:56:50 2,647 posts
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    @Dirtbox There's just one fan on this GPU though, turning fine.

    There are holes on the side panel next to the GPU, but no hole on the bottom as that's where both my SSD & HDD are.

    EDIT: Alright, big mistake getting this case I reckon.

    Edited by -cerberus- at 18:57:50 23-01-2014

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 18:57:19 77,650 posts
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    Can't really tell, but is that less than 1cm clearance?

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 18:57:55 77,650 posts
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    Pic of the venting please.

    I can't tell which side is up down or sideways in that pic btw, so you lost me there.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:58:45 23-01-2014

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 18:58:11 2,647 posts
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    @Dirtbox Yes, definitely less than 1cm.

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  • B0rked_Gamer 23 Jan 2014 18:58:23 2,527 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Razz There we are: click. It is a bit cramped in there, yes, but if there wasn't sufficient airflow the whole thing would overheat in a matter of minutes without playing a game, no?
    Well there's your problem right there. GPU is starved for air.

    omnomnom feed it air
  • Fake_Blood 23 Jan 2014 18:59:54 4,149 posts
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    From Anandtech:
    There's also the matter of clearance, though. Our GeForce GTX 560 Ti didn't fit in the PC-TU100. That 200mm clearance works out to about 7.8", making the most powerful card you can fit into the case the extra-short GTX 670 ASUS produces. Even then I'm not sure I'd go that far; the graphics card slot receives very little fresh air due to the way airflow is directed through the PC-TU100. Really what you want is a blower-style cooler, but the case isn't deep enough for one. You can fit a decent graphics card inside, but you'll have to choose with care.

    First get rid of all the cables underneath the GPU.
    And yes get the dremel out and cut out whatever you can of the bottom of that case.

    Edited by Fake_Blood at 19:00:25 23-01-2014
  • B0rked_Gamer 23 Jan 2014 18:59:59 2,527 posts
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    that mini 760 is nice btw

    but for sure the case is the problem
  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:01:36 2,647 posts
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    @Dirtbox GPU is facing down, 120mm Noctua intake fan on the right. EDIT: Just a minute, venting pic incoming.

    Fake_Blood wrote:
    From Anandtech:
    There's also the matter of clearance, though. Our GeForce GTX 560 Ti didn't fit in the PC-TU100. That 200mm clearance works out to about 7.8", making the most powerful card you can fit into the case the extra-short GTX 670 ASUS produces. Even then I'm not sure I'd go that far; the graphics card slot receives very little fresh air due to the way airflow is directed through the PC-TU100. Really what you want is a blower-style cooler, but the case isn't deep enough for one. You can fit a decent graphics card inside, but you'll have to choose with care.

    First get rid of all the cables underneath the GPU.
    And yes get the dremel out and cut out whatever you can of the bottom of that case.
    That's going to be hard because, like I said, both my storage devices are placed underneath the GPU. That's where they're supposed to go :(

    Edited by -cerberus- at 19:05:00 23-01-2014

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 19:04:39 77,650 posts
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    I'd cut 2 circular holes in the case where the fans are, cover them with grill mesh and a layer of thin material to stop the dust.

    It's the only way to fix a case that badly designed.

    ed: oh shit, it's at the bottom? Welp, ditch it and get something less worthless.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 19:05:22 23-01-2014

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:07:51 2,647 posts
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    @Dirtbox Click.

    EDIT: Bumped into this vid (not the most enjoyable bloke to watch & listen to...). Apparently he built the exact same thing.

    Edited by -cerberus- at 19:11:14 23-01-2014

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2014 19:11:30 77,650 posts
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    No, that's useless, unless it has at the very least 3 inches of clearance it would need the vents directly in front of the fans. All it's doing is pushing the same hot air around itself.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 19:11:58 23-01-2014

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  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 19:12:00 61,001 posts
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    Oh dear. That's not the case for you.

    Wait... you've got harddrives in front of that fan? They create a bit of heat too and your fan is drawing that in.

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:13:42 2,647 posts
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    @Razz Crap. Time to ditch this case then :( Really want to keep a mini-ITX enclosure though, any suggestions?

    Edited by -cerberus- at 19:14:49 23-01-2014

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  • Arrr9 23 Jan 2014 19:14:45 415 posts
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    Seems like such a shame as it's all so lovely and tidy in there. It's just that the GPU has no way of getting any nice cool air to it unless you tilt the whole thing on its side ( then drill big holes through it ).

    I think I'd just keep the components and send the case back, shame as it's tiny and looks great apart from the GPU cooling
  • Razz 23 Jan 2014 19:16:09 61,001 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Dirtbox Click.

    EDIT: Bumped into this vid (not the most enjoyable bloke to watch & listen to...). Apparently he built the exact same thing.
    This guy is using a fancy cooling system and some uber cable management for extra airflow.

    Linkage

    Edited by Razz at 19:16:51 23-01-2014

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  • -cerberus- 23 Jan 2014 19:17:16 2,647 posts
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    @Arrr9 I just love cute cases like these and was quite pleased with the build myself (especially since it's only my second one). That is up until I started playing a game ;)

    Oh well, lesson learned the hard way.

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