Dualshock 4 or XBox One controller?

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  • DrStrangelove 24 Nov 2013 03:00:12 4,678 posts
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    I'm going to buy a new controller for my PC now, and the question is: DS4 or XBone?

    Which one is better in general, and which one is better for PC, as DS4 support is naturally not that common yet?
  • King_Edward 24 Nov 2013 03:05:34 11,471 posts
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    I don't think the XBO controller is supported yet.
  • Andee 24 Nov 2013 03:10:24 716 posts
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    I don't believe either are fully supported yet. Wired 360 pad would still be the best option if you want it to work with games right now.
  • Dirtbox 24 Nov 2013 03:13:28 79,217 posts
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  • DrStrangelove 24 Nov 2013 03:15:24 4,678 posts
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    Well I'd think that the XB1 is supported at least as an X360 controller. I read some reports about using the DS4 for PC gaming without rumble support and such.

    And @Andee, one reason I want a controller for is a D-pad, and the X360's is fucking terrible, to put it mildly.

    For example, I want to play Fez with a D-pad. But my X360's D-pad is so terrible that I have to play it with the stick, no matter if that's against the whole nature of that game.

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 03:19:28 24-11-2013
  • Andee 24 Nov 2013 03:42:52 716 posts
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    The XB1 controller isn't supported as a 360 controller at the moment, but they suggested they'd add official support next year I believe.

    If not on tight budget, then a Razer Sabertooth is pretty much an improved 360 pad with a decent d-pad, but it does generally cost 70 quid. There's the older Onza an option too.
  • Gruff 24 Nov 2013 07:55:45 2,949 posts
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    Don't buy an Onza, it WILL break within a couple of months (I had two).

    Expensive crap, put me off ever giving money to Razer again.

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  • PenguinJim 24 Nov 2013 08:18:13 6,020 posts
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    DrStrangelove wrote:
    I'm going to buy a new controller for my PC now
    You've waited this long. Can't you wait five more weeks for proper impressions and some nice sales? ^^
  • Gambit1977 24 Nov 2013 08:29:46 10,384 posts
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    Wiimote
  • mothercruncher 24 Nov 2013 08:33:54 7,885 posts
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    I still play with my, erm, joystick when sitting in front of the PC.


    And the other half has gone out...
  • bad09 24 Nov 2013 14:14:11 6,256 posts
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    Right now a 360 controller is best, wired or wireless. DS4 has function but no proper dirvers and not officially supported like a windows controller. Xbone is not supported yet so a waste of moeny right now.
  • DrStrangelove 24 Nov 2013 14:22:48 4,678 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    DrStrangelove wrote:
    I'm going to buy a new controller for my PC now
    You've waited this long. Can't you wait five more weeks for proper impressions and some nice sales? ^^
    No!

    In the last weeks, I constantly feel the urge to dig up my emulation games again, I can't wait any longer.
  • andytheadequate 24 Nov 2013 14:24:37 8,375 posts
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    Buy a 360 wired controller
  • Retroid Moderator 24 Nov 2013 14:24:38 45,314 posts
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    Wired 360 pad for now at least.

    But...

    Played NfS Rivals at the EG Expo and they had DS4s wired up & the game obviously recognised it as it the controller layout on loading screens. Controller is very nice, wider than the DS3 and the sticks are MUCH nicer.

    XB1 pad, to me, felt like a step back. Felt more like the Xbox Controller S than the 360 pad to me, more flat rather than curved.
  • PenguinJim 24 Nov 2013 14:25:06 6,020 posts
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    Surely you're not emulating PS4 and Xbone games? :p Get the original controllers (SNES or whatever) with USB adapters instead!
  • bad09 24 Nov 2013 14:29:37 6,256 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    Get the original controllers (SNES or whatever) with USB adapters instead!
    To be fair most work well on any controller you are comfortable with (I use 360 on everything).

    Saying that N64/Wii feels just plain wrong with anything other than their correct controllers, something I plan to fix using apdapters/sensors and orginal controllers.
  • DrStrangelove 24 Nov 2013 14:30:00 4,678 posts
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    andytheadequate wrote:
    Buy a 360 wired controller
    I have one. Again, I need a controller with a working D-pad. Wouldn't hurt if the rest of it is better too, but lack of D-pad is the greatest problem.
  • DrStrangelove 24 Nov 2013 14:33:18 4,678 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    Surely you're not emulating PS4 and Xbone games? :p Get the original controllers (SNES or whatever) with USB adapters instead!
    True of course, but emulation is not the only thing I need it for. And generally better than X360 would be nice too.
  • bad09 24 Nov 2013 14:36:01 6,256 posts
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    DrStrangelove wrote:
    andytheadequate wrote:
    Buy a 360 wired controller
    I have one. Again, I need a controller with a working D-pad. Wouldn't hurt if the rest of it is better too, but lack of D-pad is the greatest problem.
    What about those fancy silver ones with the twisty D-pad? I've not tried one but they are supposedly improvements over the original dodgy 360 D-pad.

    Or you could have one of those Street Fighter ones, similar to a megadrive pad.
  • gelf 24 Nov 2013 14:51:15 188 posts
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    I use a street fighter pad for most emulation myself. I still hope either of the new console pads turn out decent for PC though. Some indie platformers require a right analog stick  but on the left I'd still prefer to use a dpad for precise platforming. The 360 pad is too dreadful to contemplate doing that.
  • DrStrangelove 29 Nov 2013 15:50:55 4,678 posts
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    Bought the DS4 today. Short verdict: God, it is fantastic. X360 controller is a piece of shit compared to this.

    Long verdict: I still somewhat prefer the lightly-resting-in-my-fingers feel of my good old Dualshocks, but the DS4 is very ergonomic and just everything is sublime. D-pad is very tight and precise (it just passed the NES Ducktales pogo stick test masterfully), triggers are fantastic, and the sticks are a revelation. Vastly superior to the flawed ones of both DS3 and X360. Height and "resistance" are perfect, not too strong (X360) and not too light (DS3).

    Very precise with almost no dead zone at all, which I could test in zDoom. In numbers: with a dead zone setting of zero, there was almost no movement at all, upped to the lowest setting of 0.05 it was flawless. The X360 has a LOT of movement until dead zone is set to 0.25, mainly thanks to its huge wobbly play in resting position, resulting in the same shitty precision as in any other game. Even I could get used to playing FPS games with the DS4 sticks. They are that good. Precision steering in racing games is a lot easier too.

    The only problem is that Windows takes it as a standard controller, and I soon found that almost no game supports any other than X360 or -compatible (via XInput) anymore, and even if it does, there's a lot of fiddling with the settings. But with a little tool called DS4tool it is now "recognised" as an X360 controller, and everything is just so much better than with the X360.

    It doesn't support rumble yet, but that's no problem for me since I turn that off anyway in everything except for racing games. The touchpad obviously isn't supported either, but who cares.

    Great investment, it is near-perfect. I might let it make love to me tonight.

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 16:06:36 29-11-2013

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 16:12:10 29-11-2013
  • Widge Moderator 29 Nov 2013 15:58:58 13,746 posts
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    Retroid wrote:

    Played NfS Rivals at the EG Expo and they had DS4s wired up & the game obviously recognised it as it the controller layout on loading screens. Controller is very nice, wider than the DS3 and the sticks are MUCH nicer.
    Comes with with Playstation button prompts?

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  • hal_inc 29 Nov 2013 18:06:14 177 posts
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    DrStrangelove wrote:
    Bought the DS4 today. Short verdict: God, it is fantastic. X360 controller is a piece of shit compared to this

    Great investment, it is near-perfect. I might let it make love to me tonight.
    Yes it is quite godlike indeed. Got it today and held it for the first time. And I will never let go.

    although of course you end up becoming yourself
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  • Moot_Point 29 Nov 2013 18:12:20 4,631 posts
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    Nothing beats the wired 360 pad. NOTHING! Even though the D-pad is, admittedly, crap.

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  • ecu 29 Nov 2013 18:34:07 77,338 posts
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    Haven't tried the Xbox One pad but the PS4 pad is a vast improvement over the Xbox 360 controller. The sticks are incredible, best I've ever used. They felt a bit small at first but I quickly adjusted.
  • DrStrangelove 29 Nov 2013 19:49:07 4,678 posts
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    Moot_Point wrote:
    Nothing beats the wired 360 pad. NOTHING! Even though the D-pad is, admittedly, crap.
    Much of it is crap, actually. Okay, maybe not downright crap like the infamous D-pad, but it had lots of flaws, especially the thumbsticks. It just lacked competition.
  • richardiox 29 Nov 2013 20:04:46 5,739 posts
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    They're both awesome pads to be fair.

    XBO has better triggers, dpad and rumble features.

    PS4 has a touch pad, motion sensing, speaker and an incredibly useful headphone jack. And it doesn't need batteries.

    Still prefer the asymmetric design of the Xbox design, but that's just individual taste.
  • King_Edward 29 Nov 2013 20:28:52 11,471 posts
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    Tried the DS4 today. The sticks are little higher and a little smaller, which is nice. The dpad and shoulder buttons are less nice however. Too clicky for my liking.
  • andyc1980 29 Nov 2013 21:34:25 1,280 posts
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    Used an xbone pad tonight. It can get to fuck for me. Rumbling triggers my arse.
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