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  • Grax 24 Oct 2013 09:55:04 2,132 posts
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    I find the biggest problem with politics is that not enough people understand what it takes to run a country so it becomes a popularity competition

    I knew of the banking crisis but until a little while ago I was under the general impression of blame the bsnkers. The daily fail the sun etc are guilty of dumbing down the news so much that no one reallyknows what is going on
  • Deckard1 24 Oct 2013 09:56:06 27,671 posts
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    I found this!

    Hush you ponce

  • Deleted user 24 October 2013 09:56:15
    that "meet the ancestors" body slam on paxman is incredible
  • nickthegun 24 Oct 2013 09:56:28 59,418 posts
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    Im very pleased you did.

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    He totally called it

  • Mr_Sleep 24 Oct 2013 11:41:58 16,929 posts
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    craigy wrote:
    @Mr_Sleep The Green Party haven't been a positive force in Brighton, so I wouldn't like to see them get wider national support. Though I do appreciate their fierce anti-fracking campaigning for Balcombe.
    Could you be more specific about what problems they have caused? I'm quite interested as I'm considering voting for them come the next general election and I'd be interested to know what they get wrong.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Jeepers 24 Oct 2013 11:53:43 13,174 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    craigy wrote:
    @Mr_Sleep The Green Party haven't been a positive force in Brighton, so I wouldn't like to see them get wider national support. Though I do appreciate their fierce anti-fracking campaigning for Balcombe.
    Could you be more specific about what problems they have caused? I'm quite interested as I'm considering voting for them come the next general election and I'd be interested to know what they get wrong.
    From what I understand their lack of experience of leading is showing thro' - whereas the mainstream parties have long experience to fall back on when faced with the challenges of running a Council, the Greens face every emergency with no lessons to learn from. Both the Tories and Labour parties have no interest in helping them which is compounding their problems.

    The bin strike a couple of months back was a good example - a fairly minor pay dispute escalated into city wide strikes because the leadership had little-to-no experience of these kinds of negotiations.

    I kinda feel for them, but being a political one-trick pony doesn't help either, imo. At a local Council level I want competence more than I want aspiration.
  • morriss 24 Oct 2013 12:03:48 70,928 posts
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    I'd say turning up and spoiling your ballot is better than not being arsed at all. But hey, you get the politicians you deserve, right kids? etc.
  • Mr_Sleep 24 Oct 2013 12:03:55 16,929 posts
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    Thanks for answering the question, I guess it is to be expected with the more marginal parties. Still, that's a shame. Isn't it going to be the same with any other marginal party or was it specifically the Green's that were a bit cack?

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  • spamdangled 24 Oct 2013 12:09:11 27,276 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    Our political system is so broken that most votes don't even count, so not voting is perfectly reasonable. Well done to the Lib Dems throwing away our once-in-a-generation chance at electoral reform though, that was ace.

    http://www.voterpower.org.uk
    You can blame the tories and the highly dodgy and misleading No to AV campaign for that one.

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 24 Oct 2013 12:09:57 6,654 posts
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    Plus the mandatory hemp shirts scratch
  • tincanrocket 24 Oct 2013 12:15:11 2,947 posts
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    Rhythm wrote:
    And why does not voting immediately remove your right to discuss politics anyway?
    Precisely - why should we vote in order to be able to discuss the problems with the political system we have in this country? I would vote more regularly if they added a 'none of the above' option to the ballot slip and counted them as legitimate votes for change and a referendum on the British political party system.
  • glaeken 24 Oct 2013 12:17:38 11,138 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    I think the decision to not vote at all, as long as it was a considered decision, is identical to someone voting for a party, surely.
    It's clearly in the interest of those who are part of the political process to try and rubbish the position of being a non-voter. You often hear it said you have no right to criticise the political process if you don't vote. It's actually in my experience used to shut people up and not allow them to explain their position on why they don't vote. They even ran an advertising campaign to establish it as a truth that not voting does not allow you to have an opinion on politics.

    I see it really as the equivalent of the church trying to stop the spread of atheism. Nothing could be worse for the career politician than if people stop believing in the ability of their brand of politics to affect their lives.

    For my part I no longer believe it makes any difference which party holds power and as such I donít see any reason to vote one way or the other. Give me Naziís vs. Communists and I might find a reason to vote. When I can pick between beige or new and improved beige I just donít care which it is.

    Edited by glaeken at 12:18:38 24-10-2013
  • imamazed 24 Oct 2013 12:17:50 5,533 posts
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    tincanrocket wrote:
    Rhythm wrote:
    And why does not voting immediately remove your right to discuss politics anyway?
    Precisely - why should we vote in order to be able to discuss the problems with the political system we have in this country? I would vote more regularly if they added a 'none of the above' option to the ballot slip and counted them as legitimate votes for change and a referendum on the British political party system.
    It exists already; it's called spoiling your ballot.
  • Jeepers 24 Oct 2013 12:18:42 13,174 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    Thanks for answering the question, I guess it is to be expected with the more marginal parties. Still, that's a shame. Isn't it going to be the same with any other marginal party or was it specifically the Green's that were a bit cack?
    I'd have thought it'd be the same for any marginal / young party.

    A family member works with them and tells me that - on the whole - they're perfectly nice people and certainly no worse than any other group of local politicians. They just don't have prior experience to draw on, so they're learning on the job to a far greater degree than Tory or Labour members might have to.
  • elhozzo 24 Oct 2013 12:18:55 307 posts
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    @bitch...etc
    scratch or itch ?
  • craigy Staff 24 Oct 2013 12:19:41 7,584 posts
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    @Mr_Sleep There's been a determined clampdown on the movement of cars in the city -- the majority of main roads are now 20mph zones, which causes a right jam during rush hour. I wouldn't mind necessarily, except The AA produced a report explaining how 20mph zones cause more emissions, which doesn't really align with the green views of the party.

    There's the bin strike as mentioned, which was poorly handled. I also don't like the greens' support for SmashEDO, the aggressive rollout of zoned parking schemes, and their reduction of bus services while also allowing bus ticket prices to increase.

    It may all sound small-fry, but they have shown no real awareness of the day-to-day needs of people who live in the city.
  • tincanrocket 24 Oct 2013 12:21:40 2,947 posts
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    @imamazed - not really an official vote for change, though, is it? I'm all for drawing massive cocks over the names of the MPs I have to choose between, but I'd like them to include an actual choice to demand a political referendum and then let us see whether that raises the (pathetically low) voter turnout each election.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 24 Oct 2013 12:21:59 6,654 posts
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    elhozzo wrote:
    @bitch...etc
    scratch or itch ?
    'itch' is better :D
  • imamazed 24 Oct 2013 12:25:45 5,533 posts
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    tincanrocket wrote:
    @imamazed - not really an official vote for change, though, is it? I'm all for drawing massive cocks over the names of the MPs I have to choose between, but I'd like them to include an actual choice to demand a political referendum and then let us see whether that raises the (pathetically low) voter turnout each election.
    Well it would be a vote for change if enough people did it! Not voting really annoys me; spoiling a ballot is fine though.
  • spamdangled 24 Oct 2013 12:28:57 27,276 posts
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    I definitely think a "none of the above" option should be included. Eliminates the protest vote and makes dissatisfaction with the existing establishment more quantifiable. Not voting isn't a protest, as they don't know who isn't voting or why.

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  • Mr_Sleep 24 Oct 2013 12:30:27 16,929 posts
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    craigy wrote:
    It may all sound small-fry, but they have shown no real awareness of the day-to-day needs of people who live in the city.
    That is a pretty crucial problem, my natural assumption would be that they would have a much tighter connection to the community but obviously not. Have things been getting better or are they only getting worse?

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • imamazed 24 Oct 2013 12:31:35 5,533 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    I definitely think a "none of the above" option should be included. Eliminates the protest vote and makes dissatisfaction with the existing establishment more quantifiable. Not voting isn't a protest, as they don't know who isn't voting or why.
    Which is exactly why, if you're that way inclined, you should spoil your ballot.
  • Mr_Sleep 24 Oct 2013 12:37:01 16,929 posts
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    It's fairly obvious why the largest percentage aren't voting and that is because there seems to be no point. My girlfriend's dad is a liberal leaning person who hates the Tories and New Labour and would happily vote that way but he lives in Berkshire so there is absolutely no point as it's so very Tory.

    Those who take an interest in politics are just disenfranchised from the process and no electoral reform is a joke, really. There's also people who don't know how to sign up to the electoral register and don't care enough to figure it out.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • faux_carnation 24 Oct 2013 12:45:40 9,239 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    I definitely think a "none of the above" option should be included. Eliminates the protest vote and makes dissatisfaction with the existing establishment more quantifiable. Not voting isn't a protest, as they don't know who isn't voting or why.
    "None of the above" doesn't really express the way most people feel though. Personally, for example, I want to vote Socialist or Green - those options normally exist but voting in that direction has no effect on the outcome of the election as the parties are too small. Beyond that, my main priority is to vote in whichever way will prevent the Tories getting in for their periodic attempts to destroy the country's social infrastructure. In most cases that would mean voting Labour, as the lesser of two evils. However I've lived in four different wards in my life, none of which have been even close to marginal, so none of my votes have made any difference whatsoever.

    There's a difference between being disillusioned with politics in general and being disillusioned with our ancient, creaky and gerrymandered fuckup of a system.
  • Blotto 24 Oct 2013 12:55:13 2,772 posts
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    On the one hand I admire the fact that Brand is using his increased fame to actually stand up for what he believes in. Some of it being reasonable (if unpractical)

    Unfortunately it's all just a bit bollocks, no real idea just things he's sort of mad about. If he sat down, came up with an actual idea and system he'd prefer or at least find someone else's ideas he endorsed then I might take him more seriously.
  • spamdangled 24 Oct 2013 13:02:06 27,276 posts
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    @Mr_Sleep

    This is what PR would solve. And AV would at least do something to break up the comfort zone of safe seats for the parties.

    But both are well and truly off the table for the forseeable future now thanks to the cuntery of the tories. If there's one thing the modern Tories are good at, it's spin. It's no surprise that Cameron used to work in PR.

    AFAIK, PR is still in the LD manifesto though, and fairly sure the Greens have it in theirs too (and they're one to watch at the moment, they're doing pretty well absorbing disaffected LD voters). If there's a Lib-Lab coalition after the next election, there's a small chance PR could be back on the table especially as Milliband's leadership is a far more leftist approach.

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  • LetsGo 24 Oct 2013 13:04:04 5,184 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    faux_carnation wrote:
    Our political system is so broken that most votes don't even count, so not voting is perfectly reasonable. Well done to the Lib Dems throwing away our once-in-a-generation chance at electoral reform though, that was ace.

    http://www.voterpower.org.uk
    You can blame the tories and the highly dodgy and misleading No to AV campaign for that one.
    The Lib deme fucked it up by compromising on a voting reform that the Lib Dems didn't even want!

    It should have been PR, AV is awful and worse than what we have now.
  • Mr_Sleep 24 Oct 2013 13:20:54 16,929 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    there's a small chance PR could be back on the table especially as Milliband's leadership is a far more leftist approach.
    I'll believe it when I see it, I'm very doubtful of a coalition happening again in the near future after how the Lib Dem's have been treated and how they have acted.

    Labour can say all the things they want before the election but it'll be the same old shit when they're in government too. They may stop privatising quite so much but the false dawn of new Labour will continue apace, I'm sure.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • spamdangled 24 Oct 2013 13:25:56 27,276 posts
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    @LetsGo

    A coalition is about compromise and getting 50% of what you want is better than nothing at all because you still end up closer to your ultimate goal.

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  • glaeken 24 Oct 2013 13:31:40 11,138 posts
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    Yeah but they accepted an offer of something they did not want that had no chance of ever happening. I guess Clegg really wanted that deputy PM position.
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