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  • kalel 16 Aug 2013 18:31:22 86,259 posts
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    Of course sometimes a compact is the best solution. I don't really see them as alternatives at all. They are different tools with different uses. Ideally you'd have both. I do.

    Doesn't mean SLRs have to be big bulky things with millions of lenses that takes shots you have to spend hours processing. That's just nonsense.
  • TheRealBadabing 4 Sep 2013 23:38:49 1,279 posts
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    I know you all are more interested in Strictly returning this Saturday but I thought I would share my conclusions anyway.

    Had a suck-it-and-see with an XZ-2 and was quite impressed with some of the images it produced. Unfortunately it tended to get exposure wrong, rarely focused quickly and resulted in about 50% of my shots going straight in the recycle bin. Olympus have really dropped the ball with this one.

    As it has the latest processor, I expected it to approach the speed and features of the latest PENs with the only compromise being sensor size. Not even close, my TG-820 (same processor) was faster and more reliable.

    Feels like it was designed by committee; loads of features but they forgot to make the act of taking a picture enjoyable. At least the XZ-1 was consistent, you knew how fast the AF would be and you could trust that what eventually appeared would look nice. The XZ-2 is all over the place and just plain frustrating to use for anything other than posed shots.

    So, thanks to the joys of a no-questions returns policy I am now the proud owner of a Pentax K-r. She might not look like much but she's got it where it counts kid.

    To answer my own question on the previous page (and echo most of the advice given): a compact, no matter how "special", is no match for even a basic DSLR.

    Edited by TheRealBadabing at 23:39:46 04-09-2013
  • Khanivor 2 Oct 2013 19:43:40 40,356 posts
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    Does anyone have any advice for a cheap compact camara with wifi? Something preferably with a wide angle lens and that is robust. I'm looking for something to take pictures of floors we do at work for marketing purposes and the camera on my 4S is way too noisy. And I don't think I can get the boss to spring for a 5S :(

    I'm not concerned about speed or battery life as it will only be for static and infrequent shots. Decent low light is needed though as job sites are often poorly lit and winter is coming.
  • cheeky_prawnking 2 Oct 2013 19:57:21 4,249 posts
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    Galaxy phone?
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    You can turn the shutter noise off on the 4S.
  • TheRealBadabing 2 Oct 2013 21:11:09 1,279 posts
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    moron wrote:With kit lenses you will get around same quality as compact camera, and good lenses are very expensive

    And the prices only go up. I bought my 70-200/2.8 VR for 1450$ some years ago, now it is 2300$

    Edited by moron at 20:59:52 02-10-2013
    Nope, as I said previously:

    To answer my own question on the previous page (and echo most of the advice given): a compact, no matter how "special", is no match for even a basic DSLR.
    Sensor is everything and although an argument can be made for the micro 4/3 stuff, APS-C size is still the sweet-spot for quality/price. Compact sensors can never compete even under the best conditions.

    The kit lens on a DSLR is absolutely fine, much better than any compact. In order to get uber-sharp, professional images you sometimes need to spend money on professional lenses but unless you need corner-to-corner quality, consumer quality gear is more than enough. Anyway, as you said yourself, lenses at the very least hold their values so they are hardly wasted money.
  • TheRealBadabing 3 Oct 2013 08:47:49 1,279 posts
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    Must be exhausting dealing in absolutes, especially for something as subjective like photography. You're not an American by any chance?
  • kalel 3 Oct 2013 08:56:28 86,259 posts
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    The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is definitely a pretty decent lens. Not as good as the more expensive zooms of course, but you wouldn't expect it to be. It is without question as good as the vast majority of compacts, unless you're talking about specialist things like the X100 which are different.
  • boo 28 Oct 2013 11:29:43 11,703 posts
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    Hola, mes amigos!

    My sister has just asked me for some camera advice. She's starting a B&B business and wants to be able to take a good selection of photos, indoors and out, day and night, of her barn...

    "I've got a little instamatic one which is great for snaps but I've been told by a few people now that if I need a good range of shots, daytime, bright sunshine, evening, dusk etc I need something a bit better. I'm not convinced but I do need to look into it. Budget is probably 200 max. Any suggestions??"

    I've got a Canon DSLR which I bought about 4 years ago, but haven't looked at a new camera since, so don't know much about it.

    Can anybody suggest what sort of thing she ought to be looking at? I'm pretty sure she wants aperture control (or at least some auto function that'll throw the background out of focus).

    I'd lend her mine when she needs it, but it's a 9 hour round trip!

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  • Deleted user 28 October 2013 11:36:25
    Dunno if anyone is interested but I have a whole load of SLR stuff that I'm trying to flog for my boss.

    I have a Canon T50 and a T80 and quite a few lenses, including a macro one and a flash gun.

    No idea what any of it is worth but he's had them sitting in his house for years.

    Can take some pics and get some firm details if anyone is interested?
  • Deleted user 2 December 2013 23:30:45
    Nth wrote:
    Original Sony RX100 is now about 400. Much bigger sensor than normal compacts.
    This is about 330 now, I want compact for when a DSLR is impractical for me to have with me.

    For the price and size is this the best I'm gonna get? Night time shots, cities and also general holiday shizzle.
  • TheRealBadabing 3 Dec 2013 01:32:09 1,279 posts
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    Obviously the newest version is better but it's a technically great camera. I didn't get on with mine but the reviewers still rave about it. See if you can get a hands on and take some photos with it.

    I found the jpegs quite flat and sterile but I'm sure someone happy to take the time with RAW could get much better results than I did.

    If you shoot wide with it all the time it is great but, as the lens steps down very quickly, a lot of your zoomed shots will be at a higher ISO/slower than you might hope. Shoot wide and crop was the advice I was given, lots of scope to do that with 20Mp anyway.
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 12:38:56 6,595 posts
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    Bump alert.

    Ok, I'm looking at a Nikon D3200 as my first SLR, along with a 40mm 2.8G lens for the primary purpose of photographing shoes I'm currently making and to catalogue/showcase completed work on the bench with some nice bokeh. So indoor, fairly close up shots of about 40cm distance to the subject in less than ideal lighting conditions.

    Do you think this a decent combo for the task, and for a first SLR?
  • Dizzy 3 Jan 2014 12:46:25 2,567 posts
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    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-digital-LUMIX-motorized-DMC-GX1X-K/dp/B0064U2BBQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1388753065&sr=1-6&keywords=lumix+gx1

    Lumix GX1... not a DSLR, but micro 4/3. Pretty impressive.
  • kalel 3 Jan 2014 12:50:55 86,259 posts
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    Yeah, that's not very helpful regarding the question being asked.

    I wouldn't have thought that was the right lens, but a quick read of good old Ken Rockwell suggests it might be pretty good for macro use and getting very close. 2.8 isn't super fast though, so you'll still need a reasonably high ISO, and I don't now how well that camera will deal with that.

    I suspect for product shots you'd end up using a flash anyway, even if you want the natural light look.
  • Zomoniac 3 Jan 2014 12:59:01 7,788 posts
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    But if you're shooting at such a close distance then won't anything faster than 2.8 leave such prominent DoF that it wouldn't be usable as a product shot?
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 13:01:11 6,595 posts
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    The GX1 looks about as expensive as a D3200 body and lens too, with a bit less upgrade flexibility I'd guess.

    Hmm good point there kalel, maybe a 35mm 1.4G would be a better bet? No idea how that would be with close up shots though.
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 13:03:17 6,595 posts
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    I'm going off of "read it on the internet" learning for all this by the way, this is all new for me so I thought I'd ask you more seasoned hands for advice.
  • kalel 3 Jan 2014 13:06:50 86,259 posts
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    To be honest I really wouldn't know what to advise for that sort of thing, but I always thought you used longer lenses for product photography. Macro lenses are for fine detail things like rings or whatever.
  • monkman76 3 Jan 2014 13:16:04 3,922 posts
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    I'd say whatever lens you use, some kind of flash is a must. Depending on how big the objects are, you can build a DIY light tent very easily and cheaply, and that'll give you nice soft, even lighting without any harsh shadows.
  • monkman76 3 Jan 2014 13:18:31 3,922 posts
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    Also if you want a fast 35mm lens, go for the ~150 1.8G rather than the 1300 1.4G! The 1.8G is an excellent lens - and the 50mm 1.8G is even better, for about the same money.
  • billythekid 3 Jan 2014 13:49:44 11,012 posts
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    Are you trying to achieve something like this?


    Here's the setup the guy used at the bottom of the page.

    Flashes make life a lot easier but you can use daylight or table lamps along with reflectors.
    A longer lens will help you to achieve the bokeh you want but also give you a usable depth of field for the actual product.
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 13:55:32 6,595 posts
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    Oh god, 1.8 is what I meant!

    Cheers for the help guys, the reason I ask about the 40mm is it's apparently popular with food bloggers - I'd imagine that's similar conditions to what I'll be up against. Plenty of food for thought to go with, boom boom. I'll take the lack of protest on the D3200 to mean its a decent first camera as well
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 14:17:54 6,595 posts
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    That's a nice shot there billy, perhaps not quite as full on as that though. I work under a table lamp so maybe that would help a bit, I just want blur out the immense clutter of a shoemakers workshop so it's not so distracting and hopefully look a touch more professional for my customers.
  • monkman76 3 Jan 2014 14:25:04 3,922 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Oh god, 1.8 is what I meant!

    Cheers for the help guys, the reason I ask about the 40mm is it's apparently popular with food bloggers - I'd imagine that's similar conditions to what I'll be up against. Plenty of food for thought to go with, boom boom. I'll take the lack of protest on the D3200 to mean its a decent first camera as well
    I don't think you'll want to go wider than f2.8 at close range, so yeah I'd say the 40mm is probably a better bet than the 35mm as it'll give you the ability to get very close if you need to. Also it'll have a flatter field of focus - that's more important for shooting flat objects like stamps, but it can't hurt.

    Yeah I'm pretty sure the D3200 is a great camera for the money, I just advised my soon-to-be-a-dad mate to get one.
  • elstoof 3 Jan 2014 15:10:07 6,595 posts
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    Great, that all makes good sense to me. I guess I can't go too far wrong anyway, worst case scenario I just get more lenses. Hopefully I'll be able to get some good family photos too, I've been a point and shoot guy for long enough.
  • ILoveThrashMetal 3 Jan 2014 15:14:19 653 posts
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    I eventually stumped up the cash for the d3200. Takes beautiful pictures and I'm slowly learning how to use it properly, instead of just point and clicking.

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  • Tonka 12 Feb 2014 10:33:51 20,007 posts
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    We need a decent camera for work. Nothing photo studio worthy but something above compact.

    My first thought was to get some M43 house with the Panasonic 20mm but since mobility isn't an issue maybe that is just wasting money.

    What I would like advice on is
    Which DSLR body from Nikon or Canon is the cheapest and what are the "names" of their respective 50mm f1.8 lenses?

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

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