Advice sought on building a PC that can compete with next gen consoles (PS4, X720) Page 9

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  • RobTheBuilder 17 Apr 2013 14:10:58 6,521 posts
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    @Khanivor This did make me laugh...
  • graysonavich 17 Apr 2013 14:42:00 6,797 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    dual processor Pentium2 350MHz system with a Voodoo 3300 iirc, and going from playing Quake3 with all the bells and whistles at 1024x768@90fps
    Hello.

    There's no way you got 90FPS on a P2 350 + Voodoo 3 at that res with everything turned on.
  • Buztafen 17 Apr 2013 14:47:32 15,957 posts
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    graysonavich wrote:
    vizzini wrote:
    dual processor Pentium2 350MHz system with a Voodoo 3300 iirc, and going from playing Quake3 with all the bells and whistles at 1024x768@90fps
    Hello.

    There's no way you got 90FPS on a P2 350 + Voodoo 3 at that res with everything turned on.
    Duurrr. He'd converted the Quake engine to use voxels...silly rabbit.
  • RobTheBuilder 17 Apr 2013 14:57:17 6,521 posts
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    I'm surprised he didn't spend the whole decade playing Blade Runner. 750k polygons running on a voxel engine with no 3d acceleration support... it's like Vizzini heaven.
  • Deleted user 17 April 2013 15:27:55
    Then it must have been using either a voodoo 5500 with the dual cpu P2 350s, or the dual cpu P3 800 workstation I had just after. Either way, Outcast needed a stupidly low resolution 512x384 to get close to today's console gaming frame-rates.

    Edit:
    I was also hunking a lot of MBs from the 384mb or 768mb each system had ;)

    Edited by vizzini at 15:34:56 17-04-2013
  • graysonavich 17 Apr 2013 15:39:52 6,797 posts
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    Sure why not. A Voodoo 5 would have barely cleared 20FPS with FSAA on either.

    But carry on, something about vauxhalls was it?
  • Kafeen 17 Apr 2013 15:41:21 548 posts
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    Benno wrote:
    a 3 dimensional pixel?
    I saw an XBox live indie game that claimed it used 2D Voxels...

    /facepalm

    The Voxel name comes from Volume + Pixel although people generally abuse the word now to mean minecraft-like blocky style.

    Edited by Kafeen at 15:45:01 17-04-2013
  • Deleted user 17 April 2013 15:44:16
    Chopsen wrote:
    UE4 doesn't use voxels. Why the hell are we going on about voxels all the time?
    About 0.1% of the features involve the use of voxels.

    Incidentally so does the Crysis 1, 2 and 3 engines so clearly we're doomed.
  • Deleted user 17 April 2013 15:45:30
    vizzini wrote:
    Either way, Outcast needed a stupidly low resolution 512x384 to get close to today's console gaming frame-rates.
    20 FPS?
  • Deleted user 17 April 2013 15:52:15
    Outcast needed a stupidly powerful PC for the time primarily because it was 100% running in software mode. It didn't touch any GPU hardware at all. There's an interview with the devs somewhere lamenting the fact that they couldn't use hardware acceleration in some way as it would have massively lowered the specs and probably stopped it being a complete commercial failure. In fact, quite a few critics at the time thought it was inferior to other games simply because hardware acceleration was the new in-thing, and the game not supporting it felt like a step backwards for technology. It taking about half a decade to make didn't help either.

    All it really proves is that, speaking broadly, no-one gives much of a fuck about high-end graphics features. The industry will go where the money is, not where a small handful of enthusiasts making up a very minor percentage of the market want them to go.

    Edited by meme at 16:01:08 17-04-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 17 Apr 2013 16:02:47 6,521 posts
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    @Aargh. So that's why they run like shit..!!
  • Deleted user 17 April 2013 20:39:10
    @graysonavich

    Who said anything about FSAA on Quake3? That's a graphics driver override setting, nothing to do with the game's bells and whistles.
  • richardiox 17 Apr 2013 21:04:19 5,413 posts
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    According to industry sources the Durango will be better at voxel based engines than the PS4.

    Also, Vizzini is a sad pathetic, uninformed, delusional and sociopathic cunt.

    Edited by richardiox at 21:15:18 17-04-2013
  • superdelphinus 17 Apr 2013 21:15:42 7,262 posts
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    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Didn't that Helicopter flightsim, the name escapes me, use a voxel engine in the 90s on PC. It made you sick to look at it in motion tbh.
    Comanche !
  • RobTheBuilder 17 Apr 2013 21:28:59 6,521 posts
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    There were also games that used a similar mechanic like Ballz
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 17 Apr 2013 21:30:51 6,654 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Didn't that Helicopter flightsim, the name escapes me, use a voxel engine in the 90s on PC. It made you sick to look at it in motion tbh.
    Comanche !
    Hah yes!
  • neilka 17 Apr 2013 21:35:13 14,940 posts
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    Has nobody run over his head with a lorry yet?
  • DrStrangelove 17 Apr 2013 21:44:25 2,538 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Didn't that Helicopter flightsim, the name escapes me, use a voxel engine in the 90s on PC. It made you sick to look at it in motion tbh.
    Comanche !
    Remember Delta Force? Was quite fun back then, hasn't aged too well though. I liked how voxel graphics managed to display organic (non-polygon) terrain, even though it could be eye-straining.
  • cubbymoore 17 Apr 2013 21:59:33 36,441 posts
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    I loved Delta Force. Even back then it looked like arse when you got up close to anything that wasn't a sloping hill. But it could generate far away terrain better than most games at the time.


    It really was good, as this retrospective shows.

    Edited by cubbymoore at 22:09:56 17-04-2013
  • joeymoto108 17 Apr 2013 22:04:21 617 posts
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    neilka wrote:
    Has nobody run over his head with a lorry yet?
    Can't we keep him? I like Vizzini, he's the village idiot of EG.

    'Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?'

  • Bremenacht 17 Apr 2013 23:29:29 15,741 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    According to industry sources the Durango will be better at voxel based engines than the PS4.

    Also, Vizzini is a sad pathetic, uninformed, delusional and sociopathic cunt.
    VIZZINI BOSSES THIS THREAD, BITCH

    YOU'RE NOT FIT TO LICK HIS DUST FILTERS

    \o/ KNEEL BEFORE VIZ \o/

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  • twelveways 18 Apr 2013 07:36:05 3,490 posts
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    I think my computer needs some new voxels, where can I get them?
  • Armoured_Bear 18 Apr 2013 07:37:39 8,746 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    According to industry sources the Durango will be better at voxel based engines than the PS4.

    Also, Vizzini is a sad pathetic, uninformed, delusional and sociopathic cunt.
    Why the need to call someone a cunt because you don't agree with his opinions on fucking game consoles on an internet forum.
    WTF is wrong with you?

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  • MrTomFTW Moderator 18 Apr 2013 07:45:56 36,269 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    richardiox wrote:
    According to industry sources the Durango will be better at voxel based engines than the PS4.

    Also, Vizzini is a sad pathetic, uninformed, delusional and sociopathic cunt.
    Why the need to call someone a cunt because you don't agree with his opinions on fucking game consoles on an internet forum.
    WTF is wrong with you?
    While I agree with your basic point, a phrase involving glass houses and stones comes to mind.

    Edited by MrTomFTW at 07:46:24 18-04-2013

    I totally called it.
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  • Deckard1 18 Apr 2013 07:49:37 25,383 posts
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    Don't worry ecosse you'll always still be number one cunt to me.

    Called it

  • Zizoo 18 Apr 2013 08:25:25 7,687 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Don't worry ecosse you'll always still be number one cunt to me.
  • Widge Moderator 18 Apr 2013 08:51:43 12,583 posts
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    By the time the future comes around, you'll be wanting to upgrade your mobo, CPU and summat else to whatever is the sweet spot standard of that time. No doubt some faster standard or such gubbins.

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  • Carlo 18 Apr 2013 16:28:23 17,911 posts
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    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    It made you sick to look at it in motion tbh.
    No that was your mum and dad going at it in the kitchen that one night you woke up and wanted a glass of water.

    PSN ID: Djini

  • RobTheBuilder 20 Apr 2013 13:15:58 6,521 posts
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    An update on this following digital foundry's article on the topic.

    Apparently the 8 core AMD may be a better solution for CPU in the long run, and be sure to get as much Gddr5 ram with your graphics card as possible.
  • neilka 20 Apr 2013 13:50:15 14,940 posts
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    And a 2 litre bottles of voxels to pour into the funnel on the top.
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