A European Console

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  • Luke_Martin_VA 24 Mar 2013 20:56:03 160 posts
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    So apart from the Amstrad GX4000 (which was only really an Amstrad CPC home computer in a new box), I don't think that we've ever had a European Console.

    About time, don't you think?

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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Mar 2013 20:59:32 6,521 posts
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    The Konix console would have been!
  • Syrette 24 Mar 2013 21:00:59 43,325 posts
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    OP is incorrect:

  • Kostabi 24 Mar 2013 21:01:08 4,910 posts
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    ZX81? Bit of a stretch calling it a console I suppose.

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  • Luke_Martin_VA 24 Mar 2013 21:07:28 160 posts
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    To clarify: a home console, not a handheld or home computer like a Spectrum or Dragon

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  • DFawkes 24 Mar 2013 21:08:34 22,795 posts
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    Only one I can think of is the CD-i. That's Dutch. Sure, might've pretty much come from dealing with Nintendo (hence the Zelda games) but it's still European.

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  • Luke_Martin_VA 24 Mar 2013 21:16:58 160 posts
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    DFawkes wrote:
    Only one I can think of is the CD-i. That's Dutch. Sure, might've pretty much come from dealing with Nintendo (hence the Zelda games) but it's still European.
    Good shout, but is it strictly speaking a console or was it an enhanced CD player? I can't believe we've done so little and yet could offer so much!

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  • MrTomFTW Moderator 24 Mar 2013 21:23:52 37,849 posts
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    This thread reminds me, I was taking a trip down memory lane today by reading about the CD32... Gee, I wonder who made this latest edit to the Wikipedia article?


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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Mar 2013 21:47:30 6,521 posts
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    @MrTomFTW hahahaha! Excellent
  • Jmog 24 Mar 2013 21:51:28 394 posts
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    Luke_Martin_VA wrote:
    About time, don't you think?
    Not unless you want to destroy the console market. Putting a fourth console on the market (no, Ouya doesn't count) would not increase the number of people who buy consoles - the sales would have to come from the same base of potential console buyers thus eating into sales of the others. The more a console sells the more games will end up being made for it. If the current threeway pie gets divided into a fourway pie, then more third party publishers will take the wait-and-see approach before committing to producing games for it. Basically the Vita/Wii U syndrome but affecting ALL the new consoles. No one wants that.

    The optimum number of consoles in the market really is two. One is too few as there has to be competition - PS Plus would never have existed if the Xbox hadn't been in the market place. Three is one too many but can make sense if the third is VERY different from the others (like the Wii was).
  • Luke_Martin_VA 24 Mar 2013 22:07:14 160 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    This thread reminds me, I was taking a trip down memory lane today by reading about the CD32... Gee, I wonder who made this latest edit to the Wikipedia article?
    Hahaha that's ace! Looks like our Editor's been busy :)

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  • Bremenacht 24 Mar 2013 22:10:38 17,810 posts
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    Can't help but feel that this forum is not really appropriate for a subject like this. Is there another site more suited to specialist discussion like this?
  • Luke_Martin_VA 24 Mar 2013 22:15:07 160 posts
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    Jmog wrote:
    Luke_Martin_VA wrote:
    About time, don't you think?
    Not unless you want to destroy the console market. Putting a fourth console on the market (no, Ouya doesn't count) would not increase the number of people who buy consoles - the sales would have to come from the same base of potential console buyers thus eating into sales of the others. The more a console sells the more games will end up being made for it. If the current threeway pie gets divided into a fourway pie, then more third party publishers will take the wait-and-see approach before committing to producing games for it. Basically the Vita/Wii U syndrome but affecting ALL the new consoles. No one wants that.

    The optimum number of consoles in the market really is two. One is too few as there has to be competition - PS Plus would never have existed if the Xbox hadn't been in the market place. Three is one too many but can make sense if the third is VERY different from the others (like the Wii was).
    I hear what you're saying, but I'm thinking more along the lines of cultural diversity if nothing else. I just think that there's room for a European 'flavour' and style of design, manufacture, business and marketing that both the Japanese and the American manufacturers could learn from and, in turn, make the whole industry more interesting and varied.

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  • Razz 24 Mar 2013 22:50:52 61,074 posts
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    Load "$" wrote:
    It would be called the "CONDOR" It would come in one colour. Gold.

    It would take square discs and play betamax tapes.

    There would be a joystick rather than a joypad and it would have a 500 Gig hard drive and 4000 gigawatt processor.

    You would have to be 21 to buy one.

    It would be illegal to sell it to females.

    When you started it up it would scream like a swooping Condor.

    When it ran the noise it makes would be similair to a petrol lawn mower.

    It would run on diesel not electricity.

    It would be fucking awesome.

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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Mar 2013 22:52:26 6,521 posts
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    @Bremenacht Funny... :)
  • Mr-Brett 24 Mar 2013 23:02:57 12,774 posts
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    Consoles are made by huge multinational companies that employ people from all over. They don't come from one place (well possibly with the except of Nintendo but they're always the exception) so the whole idea is kinda moot, you're about 10 years too late.

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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Mar 2013 23:14:05 6,521 posts
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    @Mr-Brett The Xbox is still markedly American, and the PS3 and WiiU are still very Japanese.

    I still think it would be interesting to know what a European designed console could be.
  • mal 24 Mar 2013 23:28:13 22,462 posts
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    3DO had a European-designed CPU. Although I don't think they've ever made ARM chips in the EU - America originally, and mostly the far east now.

    Or you could get a Pandora (now in stock!) - while the case is still made in PRC (tm), the board from the Rebirth edition up is made in Germany, along with a USB joystick and a TV out cable (coming soon, apparently). Not cheap, but that's what you get for anything made in the first world these days.

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  • Mr-Brett 24 Mar 2013 23:54:08 12,774 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Mr-Brett The Xbox is still markedly American, and the PS3 and WiiU are still very Japanese.

    I still think it would be interesting to know what a European designed console could be.
    Perhaps but the next consoles won't be so obviously of one origin. The PS4 was announced by lots of European people, word is that SCEE are taking lead on it. The next Xbox will also be trying to cater to as many audiences as possible and really I'm not sure that the 360 is markedly American.

    This is part of the reason Nintendo are doing poorly in the home console space, they don't understand other markets and neither did Sony before. Sony were forced to change up because they can't make cheap consoles and fall back on first party releases like Nintendo.

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  • neilka 24 Mar 2013 23:59:20 15,849 posts
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    The Jaguar was technically British since the only two decent games (Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator) were.

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  • mal 25 Mar 2013 00:27:29 22,462 posts
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    Mr-Brett wrote:
    Sony were forced to change up because they can't make cheap consoles and fall back on first party releases like Nintendo.
    The PS1 was way more powerful than Sega's console when it was announced, which forced Sega to turn the saturn into a frankenstein console which no one could code for. The PS2 was about par for the course - only the fact the Gamecube and xbox were released later helped them to be more powerful IMO.

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  • RobTheBuilder 25 Mar 2013 00:33:12 6,521 posts
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    @Mr-Brett The name Xbox is about as American as it's possible to have. It's partly the name that stops it selling well in Japan!

    Agree about Nintendo. They have always treated Europe like a distant dodgy second cousin. Sony were better for PS1 where Psygnosis, Designers Republic and the ad agencies did a good job of making it feel very relevant to the UK at that time.
  • RobTheBuilder 25 Mar 2013 00:33:48 6,521 posts
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    @neilka The Jaguar had an ad campaign with the tagline "Do the Math"

    That makes it American.
  • RobTheBuilder 25 Mar 2013 00:35:34 6,521 posts
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    @mal Kind of right.

    Part of the issue with Saturn was that it was designed for 2d, and almost uniquely used square polygons which must have been a pain for devs.

    My understanding is that Gamecube wasn't technically more powerful, it just was very well designed in a way that allowed devs to get the best from it. It also did more colours than green and brown :D
  • mal 25 Mar 2013 01:47:56 22,462 posts
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    Yeah, the 'cube was definitely a neatly designed console with very few bottlenecks which made it relatively easy to keep all the bits of it busy at the same time, which is the key to performance.

    The PS2 has too many bits, all strung together with different diameter pipes. I don't know if theoretically it's more powerful than the Cube, but I don't recall anything on the PS2 that looked better than F-Zero GX (though partly that's down to the PS2 having a last-gen damp-bit-of-string video out feed).

    Not sure I buy the story about square polys being the downfall of the Saturn. Seems to me quadrilateral polygons are no harder to handle than triangles for coders, and I'd have thought it'd make life easier for artists, especially when there was limited support in 3d tools. But it certainly made porting the few 3d games that cropped up on Playstation to Saturn harder than it ought to have been. Still, as I understand it the biggest problem the Saturn had was having two crappy CPUs rather than one good one, and no decent support for coders trying to keep them both busy at the same time. On top of that the Playstaton had it's geometry transformation stuff on die, whereas on the Saturn you had to farm it off across the motherboard at a trickle.

    Edit: Looking at the specs a little more closely I'm starting to doubt the story of the Sega guys seeing the Sony Playstation launch and running back to the lab to add another CPU. Seems to me that even with one less CPU it's still a peculairly designed bit of kit without a clear center of gravity. The DSP handing geometry's still on the supposedly 'main' CPU, while the actual power of the system is still off down the line in the SH-2 CPU that does the heavy lifting.

    tldr; PS2, Saturn too complicated. Cube, PS1 nice and easy.

    Edited by mal at 01:51:45 25-03-2013

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