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  • Fake_Blood 22 Sep 2013 19:15:02 4,077 posts
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    Islam is kind of a macho religion.
    Just sayin'.
  • Dangerous_Dave 22 Sep 2013 19:44:18 21 posts
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    Like that nutter in Belgium who blew himself up with a grenade. I bet there's quite a few like him still around.

    Edited by Dangerous_Dave at 19:46:56 22-09-2013
  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 11:03:40 2,453 posts
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    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • Deleted user 29 October 2013 11:12:34
    A room full of people in dire need of the enlightenment.
  • senso-ji 29 Oct 2013 11:15:08 5,795 posts
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    Extremists reporting on extremists. Not sure that video adds anything worth while to the debate.
  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 11:15:39 2,453 posts
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    I wonder though, how many of them have raised their hand out of fear of being marked as an infidel? Or am I being too optimistic and is every single one of them really that evil and stupid?

    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • RedSparrows 29 Oct 2013 12:13:19 22,069 posts
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    He's basically asking if they think what is written in the Koran is the best way of doing things. Unfortunately/fortunately, depending on the bits you read, for a lot of people, that's probably true.

    He's not doing the 'cause' much good outside the Muslim world there. On the flipside, do the same thing with some US evangelists, and watch the mirror image.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 29 Oct 2013 12:54:16 6,654 posts
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    double hard cracker in the front row.
  • Load_2.0 29 Oct 2013 13:12:40 18,919 posts
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    Organised religion is dying very slowly. The biggest threat being iphones, trainers, facebook and music videos.

    A few more generations and it will be looked back at with curiousity or disdain.
  • Deckard1 29 Oct 2013 13:15:12 27,220 posts
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    I dunno, I think you're giving humans more credit than they deserve there.
  • kalel 29 Oct 2013 13:16:23 86,409 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Organised religion is dying very slowly.
    Sort of. There is reasonable evidence to show it's growing as well. Depend what part of the world you think counts most but it's hard to ignore how Islam in particular is expanding. Not that long ago it was strictly an Arab nations thing, whereas now it a massive presence in South East Asia, and it's growing exponentially in Africa as well.
  • Tonka 29 Oct 2013 13:30:46 20,019 posts
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    I've read a few times now that both Islam and Christianity is on the rise in China.

    I don't think it'll ever die off. Seems our brains are playing tricks with us making us ignore logic and facts when they contradict our beliefs.

    Was at a decidedly middle class dinner the other day. One of the guys had done some archeology in Israel and was asked if it was connected to the bible.

    "Thankfully not" he said and launched into an explanation of how historically incorrect the Bible is in it's descriptions of roman politics and traditions.

    Turned out the woman who asked was a catholic who started to explain away stuff. I was quite pleased I wasn't an active part in that topic...

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  • Deckard1 29 Oct 2013 13:34:20 27,220 posts
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    People will always be scared of dying, therefore religion will always exist.
  • Tonka 29 Oct 2013 13:40:04 20,019 posts
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    I don't think that's the only motivator. I don't even think it's the main one. They pray on weak, lost, depressed souls and offer community. Then there is plain old tradition.

    That sounded harsher than I meant it.

    Edited by Tonka at 13:40:25 29-10-2013

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  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 13:46:02 2,453 posts
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    @Tonka It doesn't matter how harsh it sounds, you spoke the truth.

    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • Mola_Ram 29 Oct 2013 14:09:13 6,987 posts
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    So, basically, the only people who join religions are weak, lost or depressed. Or they're just following tradition, and are too stupid to think for themselves.

    Yeah, that doesn't sound condescending at all.
  • Tonka 29 Oct 2013 14:11:09 20,019 posts
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    What I should say is that it offers community. Sometimes to people who can't find it anywhere else. That is a good thing in many ways. Other times it's horrible. *cough* *Scientology* *cough*

    It clearly mucks about with some really powerful things (brain washing) and can trick people into doing stupid things.

    That's not always the case. I know deeply religious people and as far as I know they are good people.

    It's not as if religion has a monopoly on deluded people anyway. Look at the tea party ... wait, they are mostly Christians.

    Look at people championing capitalism or denying climate change.

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  • Tonka 29 Oct 2013 14:11:50 20,019 posts
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    @Mola_Ram basically yeah.

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  • kalel 29 Oct 2013 14:14:52 86,409 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    Look at people championing capitalism or denying climate change.
    Yeah, I'm starting to see religion as part of a broader set of ideologies these days. I'm really not sure there's that much difference. People seem to buy strongly into them for very similar reasons.
  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 14:19:34 2,453 posts
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    Great debate:

    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 29 Oct 2013 14:19:54 6,654 posts
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    No, religion isn't for the weak imo, it's just another tribal distinction that people always look for driven by the desire to belong and the power of grouping together.

    Human nature is the common denominator, the social distinction, whether it be national, racial or religion is arbitrary imo.

    Football hooliganism is exactly the same psychology.

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 14:20:38 29-10-2013

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 14:25:53 29-10-2013
  • Dangerous_Dan 29 Oct 2013 14:32:31 2,380 posts
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    Human nature is just another sub-category of life. And life is just another sub-category of matter. All matter should come together and celebrate existence.
  • Tonka 29 Oct 2013 14:35:21 20,019 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Tonka wrote:
    Look at people championing capitalism or denying climate change.
    Yeah, I'm starting to see religion as part of a broader set of ideologies these days. I'm really not sure there's that much difference. People seem to buy strongly into them for very similar reasons.
    Exactly. It's ideologies and they are very powerful. And I probably hold some of my own.

    Edited by Tonka at 14:47:11 29-10-2013

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  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 14:39:42 2,453 posts
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    @Dangerous_Dan For the sake of wisdom, we can't be bothered to oversimplify things like that.

    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 29 Oct 2013 14:42:09 6,654 posts
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    I certainly found the photo of the woman about to be stoned at the end really fucking shocking.
  • -cerberus- 29 Oct 2013 14:44:26 2,453 posts
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    @bitch_tits_zero_nine Have a casual look on LiveLeak if you want your faith in humanity to be completely destroyed.

    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 29 Oct 2013 14:45:42 6,654 posts
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    Probably give that a swerve and remain away with the fairies in lala land :D
  • Dangerous_Dan 29 Oct 2013 14:55:58 2,380 posts
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    -cerberus- wrote:
    @Dangerous_Dan For the sake of wisdom, we can't be bothered to oversimplify things like that.
    For the sake of wisdom?
    WE can't be bothered?

    And I thought it leads down a path which is uncomfortable. So let's relax, kick back and be good.
  • Ka-blamo 29 Oct 2013 14:58:34 7,292 posts
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    Liveleak is vanilla, there are far worse sites out there that show human on human barbarity that'd never be on Liveleak.

    Anyway, anyone see that EDL documentary last night? I thought it was fantastic, often these documentaries are horribly put together(especially channel 4 ones) to serve whoever the director randomly chooses.

    But this was great, Both sides were put across very well and the dialogue between people was very productive I felt.

    Tommy obviously has done his homework over the years, he was articulate and made perfect sense with reasoned points and goals.

    iplayer
  • RedSparrows 29 Oct 2013 17:49:39 22,069 posts
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    Is Dan back with his vague musings on vagueness?
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