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  • elstoof 11 Mar 2013 16:16:58 7,326 posts
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    Could work, they already did as much when they raised the number of points for a try from 4 to 5. Since the professional era began kicking has improved a lot, but there's still only a handful of super reliable place kickers out there. The top tier teams generally have a couple to choose from but nations like Italy Samoa have usually struggled so if you knock it down to two points then these teams might find it harder to compete when they put over 1 in 4 penalties or whatever.
  • Mr_Sleep 11 Mar 2013 16:20:21 17,062 posts
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    Ultrasoundwave wrote:
    Italy have impressed me a lot in this Championship, their actually playing some good rugby these days. I think their coach just needs to find a strong 15 and stick to it as best he can, if they can get a consistent line-up i'll think they'll get consistent performances.
    I think Oquera was the difference in regards of their attacking play, he looked very good against England and France but had pretty average games otherwise. If they can get some consistency out of him then I reckon they will start to get more results.

    Chuffed with the Scotland result - its a tricky place to go and, even though it wasnt a classic game, we did well. However, if we give as many penalties away against England they will kick their way to a Grand Slam.
    I think a different ref will make a difference, quite a few of those penalties were pretty marginal tbh.

    I feel so sorry for you Duffman, it's going to be horrible!

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • andytheadequate 11 Mar 2013 16:38:20 8,169 posts
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    It's not just the points available for a penalty that's causing the lack of tries, but the lack of ideas in attack (from some of the teams, at least).

    I saw a bit of the Scotland vs Wales game and with Scotland needing 9 points to draw level, they wasted about 3 minutes trying to trundle over the lines with their forwards. Even if that was going to work, which I imagine only does if your pack is vastly superior to your opponents, it was hardly going to get them a quick try. In contrast, when Wales got the ball back they immediately started passing the ball around a bit and running some good lines, and even though it wasn't anything too fancy it looked like they were at least trying to score. Obviously the weather doesn't help teams that want to play open rugby but Scotland's attack was just embarrassing.

    I much prefer watching/ playing RL for it's attacking rugby, but Union can be decent as well when it's played properly.
  • Trane 11 Mar 2013 16:48:28 4,052 posts
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    This six nations as a spectacle is the worst I've seen. I would say I've watched avidly at least since 98. I tend to Sky+ the super rugby games and watch them through the week.

    It's like watching breaking bad during the week and looking forward to watching something similar on the weekend, only to be 'treated' to an Eastenders christmas special.

    My love for rugby and the national game means I'm not going to be put off it any time soon, I'm off to watch the lions in June/July too. But it's really not endearing right now, I can't see any enjoyment for neutrals or encouragement for youngsters/newbies to take up the sport, which is a real shame.
  • Dougs 11 Mar 2013 16:54:46 67,696 posts
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    These things go in cycles IME. The 90s were the same for kicking. It'll come back round again.
  • Deleted user 11 March 2013 17:03:43
    Dougs wrote:
    These things go in cycles IME. The 90s were the same for kicking. It'll come back round again.
    Far be it for me to contradict you fella,, but England have been a shallow side for 10+ years (at least since the WC).

    The forward line is shambolic. The backs very under-par.

    Watching England these days is a real chore. No fun whatsoever.

    /Speaking as a Welsh rugby fan living in Leicester.
  • kentmonkey 11 Mar 2013 20:43:38 20,683 posts
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    andytheadequate wrote:
    It's not just the points available for a penalty that's causing the lack of tries, but the lack of ideas in attack (from some of the teams, at least).
    This was what I was getting at. Not that kicking is evil. Or that kicking has no place in the game. Just that some teams have shown a real distinct lack of ambition when it comes to the 'attacking' side of the game.

    It's been retain ball until the oppo gives away a penalty and kick for the sticks. Multitude of reasons for that, of course, and one of which is the weather which somebody pointed out the other day, but in some games there's just been no ambition. Which is disappointing.
  • Bremenacht 16 Mar 2013 14:30:56 18,242 posts
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    What a great Italian crowd! I recall early Italian 6N home games having big gaps around the stadium. Looks like sellouts this year.
  • Jono62 16 Mar 2013 14:44:17 14,119 posts
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    Italy looking good so far.
  • kentmonkey 16 Mar 2013 14:48:31 20,683 posts
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    This is what I was talking about the other day. One metre from the line, tops, and they've gone for goal. It's dull. I really think they need to change the points up for a penalty versus a try (perhaps make a penalty two points, although that could add a strategic advantage to giving away penalties from a defensive side) or, alternatively, any penalties in the 22 can't be kicked perhaps.
  • elstoof 16 Mar 2013 15:45:30 7,326 posts
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    Italy are looking great in this, taking the ball at pace in the build up to the try. Good on 'em, not just there to make up the numbers.
  • Jono62 16 Mar 2013 15:57:53 14,119 posts
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    That was some great defence from Italy.
  • kentmonkey 16 Mar 2013 16:07:48 20,683 posts
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    Agreed, very good defence.
  • agparrot 16 Mar 2013 16:23:09 11,903 posts
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    What a cracker! More games like Italy have played today, please.
  • Madder-Max 16 Mar 2013 16:42:13 11,649 posts
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    Managing the pub today. Lovely shift. Completely dead. No TV's and as its wales v england at five we will be busy after or peeps will go home after england get their arses kicked!

    99 problems and being ginger is one

  • Jono62 16 Mar 2013 17:15:42 14,119 posts
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    Sad to see Aston is in the team. He's been pants this Six Nations.
  • Bremenacht 16 Mar 2013 17:32:45 18,242 posts
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    Exciting stuff!
  • andytheadequate 16 Mar 2013 17:36:46 8,169 posts
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    Normally I find Union incredibly tedious as the pace of the game is often played at a snails pace, but the Wales England game has been very exciting this last few minutes. Sounds like a brilliant atmosphere as well
  • Jono62 16 Mar 2013 17:40:51 14,119 posts
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    Brutal stuff!
  • andytheadequate 16 Mar 2013 17:42:46 8,169 posts
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    Not sure I'd say it was particularly brutal, but it's very open, fast game.

    What do Wales need to win by?
  • agparrot 16 Mar 2013 17:44:07 11,903 posts
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    Well, probably the best half of the tournament so far. Brilliant.
  • MMMarmite 16 Mar 2013 17:56:04 1,036 posts
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    @andytheadequate 8 or more to take the cup
  • lordofthedunce 16 Mar 2013 17:57:11 375 posts
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    Ashton and Tuilagi need to get back to minis and learn catching and tackling.
  • andytheadequate 16 Mar 2013 17:58:25 8,169 posts
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    @MMMarmite - cheers. Is Owen Farrell related to Andy Farrell?
  • lordofthedunce 16 Mar 2013 18:03:52 375 posts
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    His son!
  • andytheadequate 16 Mar 2013 18:04:46 8,169 posts
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    Has there been a scrum that hasn't collapsed? Slows the pace of the game down to a crawl

    That is quite a rugby family. Andy Farrell is the youngest ever GB RL captain, son plays fly half for England union, his brother in law (I think that's the relation) plays for England RL, and his cousins plays for Wigan.

    I'm sure this is stating the obvious, but halfpenny is a very good player

    Edited by andytheadequate at 18:08:06 16-03-2013

    Edited by andytheadequate at 18:09:41 16-03-2013
  • lordofthedunce 16 Mar 2013 18:11:51 375 posts
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    If we can build from a solid scrum we can work our way back into this.
    Ashton needs a good thumping, quite honestly.
  • agparrot 16 Mar 2013 18:15:00 11,903 posts
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    Brilliant stuff from Wales - composed, aware and quick off the draw when it opens up. Turning the screws now!
  • Jono62 16 Mar 2013 18:15:20 14,119 posts
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    That's that then. Well done Wales.
  • andytheadequate 16 Mar 2013 18:16:38 8,169 posts
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    I love how halfpenny takes a high ball, he kicks his legs out in front of him to protect from being hit in the air. Normally you are coached to turn your back to protect yourself, but his way is genius
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