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  • Dirtbox 25 Feb 2014 15:25:42 78,146 posts
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    I have nothing good to say about AMD other than the price, but I'd rather spend a little more and have something that's consistent and dependable. I've lost count of the amount of little annoyances, glitches, broken drivers and general instabilities that AMD/ATI have caused me over the years. Also their CPUs generally don't support virtualisation should you need to run a couple of virtual boxes.

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  • whatfruit 25 Feb 2014 15:37:03 1,487 posts
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    Dear PC Gaming tech Gods,

    How good is this deal of the day i5 4670K combo on scan?

    425 for the following.


    2TB Seagate ST2000DM001 Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 3 6GB/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms OEM NCQ

    500W Cooler Master Elite RS500 120mm Quiet Fan EPS 12V, Fan, ATX v2.3, PSU

    8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Vengeance Jet Black Low Profile, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC, CAS 9-9-9-24, XMP, 1.5V

    Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3, Intel Z87, S 1150, DDR3, SATA III - 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe 3.0 (x16), D-Sub (VGA) DVI-D HDMI, ATX

    Intel Core i5 4670K, S 1150, Haswell, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 3.8GHz Turbo, 1200MHz GPU, 34x Ratio, 84W, Retail

    NZXT Lexa S, Black Mid Tower Performance Gaming Case with Side Window with USB 3.0 w/o PSU.

    Would this support a 770 do I need a cooling contraption?
  • Roddles 25 Feb 2014 16:00:44 1,889 posts
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    Looks good and it'll support a 770 just fine. You don't need any extra cooling as it includes the stock Intel one which should run just fine with the CPU overclocked to 4Ghz.

    You only need a third party cooler (I recommend Noctua's product range) if you're bothered by noise and want to push things beyond 4.2Ghz (which isn't worth the extra heat).
  • whatfruit 25 Feb 2014 16:38:04 1,487 posts
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    Will I need to buy any additional cables/screws or will everything I need come in the boxes?

    I know these are really noobish questions but I have never done this before.

    The above set up with 770 comes to 720 which is about 300 less than a prebuilt model with similar specs, this is making me consider taking a punt on my first build adventure.
  • Sharzam 25 Feb 2014 16:46:49 2,864 posts
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    If everything's new retail you should have everything you need. New motherboards tend to come with a sata cable or two, new cases come with screws etc

    But you might find you need one more of something, but chances are you will be fine. That is unless it is all OEM as they only include the actual hardware not the extra fluff.

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  • Rhaegyr 25 Feb 2014 19:46:11 1,677 posts
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    This sound good for around 600-650 for an Intel build?

    i5 4670K
    Asus GTX 760
    Gigabyte Z87X Mobo
    8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3
    Corsair 600W Modular PSU
    Case (35)
    1TB HD, keyboard and a couple of fans (roughly 40)

    First time sizing up an Intel build so I'd appreciate any advice/tips.

    Thanks!
  • Dirtbox 25 Feb 2014 20:03:19 78,146 posts
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    It's fine, but as I've said many times in the past, you're paying over the odds with a brand name PSU, they're the most overrated and overpriced things in the business and while the shit that gets pre-screwed into cheap cases are to be avoided at all costs, house branded PSUs are great and share all the same components as the ones that cost twice as much or more. Novatech are my current choice for a solid OEM PSU.

    You might want to put your savings into a 770 while you're at it. It'll save you upgrading for another year.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 20:06:58 25-02-2014

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  • Rhaegyr 25 Feb 2014 20:14:40 1,677 posts
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    @Dirtbox

    Thanks DB, all the PC advice you've given me has been sound and greatly appreciated!

    I looked at a Novatech PSU but the 600W model is the same price as the corsair one on their official website (55) :confused:
  • Dirtbox 25 Feb 2014 20:19:11 78,146 posts
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    You don't need 600 watts for that build, 450 would be fine. 550 will give you some head room.

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  • Rhaegyr 25 Feb 2014 20:22:21 1,677 posts
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    Great stuff - thanks again.
  • Dirtbox 25 Feb 2014 20:27:38 78,146 posts
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    One final thing, make sure the PSU has an 8pin moly to power the card. I think the 760 needs a 6 pin, but the 770 will need 8.

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  • PenguinJim 26 Feb 2014 01:49:50 5,853 posts
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    whatfruit wrote:
    The above set up with 770 comes to 720 which is about 300 less than a prebuilt model with similar specs, this is making me consider taking a punt on my first build adventure.
    So the 770 costs 295? That's a bit overpriced. Scan had a Twin Frozr on their today only for 235ish.
  • Folant 27 Feb 2014 09:34:49 1,166 posts
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    Quick question.

    Current build is
    GALMT78 USB3 motherboard
    FX 4130 3.8GHz
    ASUS 650 ti 1GB
    8GB DDR3 Corsair RAM
    CX500M PSU

    Thinking of upgrading to a 760(or equivalent), but wondering if the CPU is enough? I'd like to avoid spending more if I don't need to.
    Primarily for games and browsing.

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  • Aretak 27 Feb 2014 10:05:57 10,351 posts
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    I think you'd definetly want a new CPU to get the best out of it. The 4130 is slightly weaker than the creaky old Phenom II 965 I'm using, and even that's struggling these days.
  • ResidentKnievel 27 Feb 2014 12:07:59 6,196 posts
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    I have a 4130 oc'd to 4.5GHz, although the overclocking performance boost is only noticeable when I'm playing Wii and GC games on the Dolphin emulator.

    I wouldn't now recommend an FX CPU to someone building a new build, but if you've already got one they're okay. I have a 7850 as well and I can play BF4 with high settings at 60fps+, can't get a smooth v-synced 60fps, mind.

    If I were you I'd buy a new GPU first and if you still feel held back by the CPU upgrade that later. Put it this way, for gaming you'd notice the performance boost of a mid-range GPU like a GTX 760 more than you'd notice the boost from a top of the line CPU like a 6-core i74960X.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 12:11:25 27-02-2014

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  • PenguinJim 27 Feb 2014 13:20:55 5,853 posts
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    Why are people still considering the 760? It was a good buy until last November, but now that its decent games bundle has shrunk to just ACIV (which has since dropped in value), plus the 770 had its ridiculous price cut to be barely more expensive while 660s are getting clearanced to be significantly cheaper, it's just not worthwhile unless your budget is EXACTLY 181 and you NEED gsync. :confused:
  • Rhaegyr 27 Feb 2014 13:28:28 1,677 posts
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    @PenguinJim

    What would you recommend on a budget of 200-max for a GPU?
  • Dirtbox 27 Feb 2014 13:32:16 78,146 posts
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    Stretch to 230 and get a 770.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:36:29 27-02-2014

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  • Rhaegyr 27 Feb 2014 13:34:27 1,677 posts
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    I've tried convincing my cousin (who the PC's going to be for) to stretch his budget a little - any other major upsides I should be telling him about bar a rough 20% performance increase?
  • PenguinJim 27 Feb 2014 13:35:09 5,853 posts
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    Heck, I'd even settle for 215 for a 770 with the stock HSF over the 760, but generally the extra 15 would be worth it for a nice one.
  • Dirtbox 27 Feb 2014 13:36:48 78,146 posts
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    A 760 is in your budget, but it'll begin to creak after a couple of years and as such, it's a false economy. A 770 will give you some better longevity.

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  • PenguinJim 27 Feb 2014 13:40:35 5,853 posts
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    Agreed. If high-performance is genuinely important, get the 770. If it's not, then you've just saved him 55 - he'll be equally happy with a Twin Frozr 660 from Scan's Today Only.
  • Dirtbox 27 Feb 2014 13:43:20 78,146 posts
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    Worth noting that the 660 is already stepping into the creak zone.

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  • Rhaegyr 27 Feb 2014 13:54:26 1,677 posts
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    Thanks - I'll tell him to start saving his pennies for the 770.
  • terminalterror 2 Mar 2014 19:48:27 18,937 posts
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    I thought instead of replacing a creaking laptop with another laptop that is likely to never leave this desk, I'd build a PC instead. After loads of research, I've come up with a parts list, but it seems prudent to get some other opinions on it before I spend any money.

    Please let me know if I'm about to do anything silly, or if there is anywhere I could be saving money or getting more bang for my buck.

    PC Part Picker link

    CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (80.99 @ Amazon UK)

    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (35.94 @ CCL Computers)

    Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (49.67 @ Amazon UK)

    Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (61.56 @ Amazon UK)

    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (39.98 @ Aria PC)

    Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card (133.79 @ Amazon UK)

    Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case (65.66 @ Amazon UK)

    Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (36.73 @ Amazon UK)

    Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (11.83 @ CCL Computers)

    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (79.81 @ Amazon UK)

    Monitor: BenQ GL2450HM 60Hz 24.0" Monitor (114.95 @ Aria PC)

    Total: 710.91
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-02 19:38 GMT+0000)


    My particular concern is the motherboard. It is cheaper than many of the other Micro ATX AM3+ motherboards, but it is by a reputable brand and I can't see what features it lacks that those have. I'm not bothered about overclocking.

    Edited by terminalterror at 20:04:48 02-03-2014
  • Dirtbox 2 Mar 2014 20:20:38 78,146 posts
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    I'd avoid the AMD junk for all the reasons I've posted numerous times in this and similar threads.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 20:24:01 02-03-2014

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  • ResidentKnievel 2 Mar 2014 20:28:17 6,196 posts
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    ^^

    Plus you should get a cheaper SSD, Samsung are technically the best in benchmarks but you'd never be able to tell the difference yourself between that and a cheaper Crucial one.

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  • terminalterror 2 Mar 2014 21:03:49 18,937 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I'd avoid the AMD junk for all the reasons I've posted numerous times in this and similar threads.
    I haven't posted on the EG forums in bloody ages. I had a quick google for posts by you about AMD, and on the graphics card front you seem very unimpressed by their drivers. I couldn't find anything specifically on AMD vs Intel by you. Do you mind linking to an example?

    If I'm much better off not going with AMD for either GPU or CPU, can somebody suggest an alternative (including motherboard for the latter)?
  • sherpa1984 2 Mar 2014 21:07:02 247 posts
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    I might be moving flats into one with a small second room that the PC might go in.

    If it happens, I'll be looking at getting a smaller PC case. My current one is a CoolerMaster, temps are really low but the thing is absolutely enormous.

    Can anyone recommend one that's quite small? Aside from the i5 3570k being O/C to a standard 4.3GHz, there's no other overclocking to speak of so major cooling isn't a huge concern.

    In terms of gubbings inside the case, I have:

    - Required bits (mobo, CPU, PCI-E GFX card, PSU)
    - x1 HDD
    - x1 SSD
    - x1 DVD drive
    - Wireless adapter
    - Sound card

    I feel like my current case dedicates a third of its space for a multitude of disk drives, but I only use a single HDD, SSD and DVD.

    Would something like this work?

    Edited by sherpa1984 at 21:09:07 02-03-2014
  • terminalterror 2 Mar 2014 21:07:46 18,937 posts
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    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    ^^

    Plus you should get a cheaper SSD, Samsung are technically the best in benchmarks but you'd never be able to tell the difference yourself between that and a cheaper Crucial one.
    Do you mean something like the [link url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1]Crucial
    CT120M500SSD1[/link]? 52.47 vs 61.56 (both at Amazon).
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