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  • ResidentKnievel 25 Oct 2012 19:00:35 5,870 posts
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    Rab Florence will probably end up writing for RPS, if he isn't already.

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  • w00t 25 Oct 2012 19:04:10 10,973 posts
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    He writes boardgame reviews for them.

    Edit: Here they are!

    Edited by w00t at 19:06:33 25-10-2012

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  • Baleoce 25 Oct 2012 19:23:14 1,169 posts
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    Wish the twitter misogynists would just go crawl under a rock somewhere. Not helping this debate at all..

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  • Nehmis 25 Oct 2012 19:24:39 686 posts
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    Yeah, whatever the outcome of this is, hopefully it turns out ok for Rab in the end.
  • Tomahawk 25 Oct 2012 19:30:59 120 posts
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    Erik Kain from Forbes just put up an article on the situation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/10/25/video-game-journalist-robert-florence-leaves-eurogamer-after-libel-complaints/
  • nickthegun 25 Oct 2012 19:33:46 55,848 posts
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    Now did he actually leave because of this or was it the natural end to a series of articles?

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  • Feanor 25 Oct 2012 19:38:28 13,921 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Now did he actually leave because of this or was it the natural end to a series of articles?
    When I see a corpse with a knife sticking out of his back I usually wonder if it was just natural causes.
  • matrim83 25 Oct 2012 19:43:27 5,585 posts
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    ^^LOL

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  • thedaveeyres 25 Oct 2012 19:46:12 9,708 posts
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    The silence from Eurogamer on this one is deafening. Luckily for them the whole debate is about to go away as the mainstream media push the 'horrible mysogyny tweeted to poor videogames journo' angle. Bet your life on that.

    Can't blame them really. Gamers love to live down to the mouthbreathing virgin neckbeard stereotype on social media.

    Edited by thedaveeyres at 19:48:10 25-10-2012

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  • shamblemonkee 25 Oct 2012 19:53:20 14,036 posts
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    How can direct quotes be libel ?
  • ecureuil 25 Oct 2012 19:53:47 76,008 posts
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    Had to go back and watch this review. Love it.
  • onestepfromlost 25 Oct 2012 19:57:32 1,962 posts
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    Ok so i study scots law rather than english law, so i do defamation rather than libel, but they are very similar in criteria the main differences is english law diffirentiates between the written word and the spoken, whereas Scots law doesn't. Now the point im making is he has broken no defmation law according to scots law and im pretty sure its the same under libel.
    Now a lot of the articles that have been written today about the subject seem to be saying that EG cant be blamed for not wanting to defend a libel case, but any lawyer (and im sure EG must have some sort of legal department) could see there wouldn't be much of a case to defend. Any judge that had this case before them im sure would award expenses to the winner of the case ( which would most definatly be EG).
    i am not qualified, so anyone more in the know feel free to correct me.
  • Rusty_M 25 Oct 2012 20:03:46 4,344 posts
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    I am not a lawyer either, but I know that defending legal cases can be very expensive. I don't know if this relates to libel, but I remember Ian Hyslop saying in the Metro that he was once the most sued man in Britain, and he only won once. And even then, he incurred 1000000 in costs.

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  • onestepfromlost 25 Oct 2012 20:08:28 1,962 posts
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    true it is usually expensive, but usually expenses can be recouped on winning from the losing side. To be honest i wouldnt see this case going on, youd need to be mental to take it on and try and win.
  • speed182 25 Oct 2012 20:43:46 895 posts
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    ecureuil wrote:
    Had to go back and watch this review. Love it.
    Did a bit of searching and found this as well, hilarious!

    Edited by speed182 at 20:46:28 25-10-2012

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  • epiazk 25 Oct 2012 21:01:43 1 posts
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    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UwjiuUC-zMi7b_HHPexKINzRK4O6tkDbbHjHcAyG4EE/edit

    Just leaving this here.
  • stryker1121 25 Oct 2012 21:10:40 598 posts
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    I do hope that Florence lands on his feet, although I wasn't the hugest fan of his columns. He certainly had a unique take on the industry, I'll grant. I also hope a certain sector of Internet deviants don't use the story as an excuse to track down Wainwright's home address or spam porn on her website or what have you. I can see the rage train rolling on this one as the story widens in scope.
  • Tonka 25 Oct 2012 21:29:51 19,839 posts
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    This is exactly what I've felt for years. game "journalism" is a joke.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • Zizoo 25 Oct 2012 21:33:44 7,687 posts
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    Oktoberfest 2012 woooooooooooh!
  • El_MUERkO 25 Oct 2012 22:01:35 16,831 posts
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    @stryker1121

    Cash wise I don't know. But anything he writes in future will have a lot more credibility with Gaf, 4Chan, PAX, EG, RPS...etc. etc. etc. ... Forbes! readers than before.

    He could be the next Jeff Gerstmann :)
  • El_MUERkO 25 Oct 2012 22:07:34 16,831 posts
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    Some epic fact finding on GAF, I understand why she was so desperate to get her quote pulled from the article :D

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  • Popzeus 25 Oct 2012 22:07:56 8,250 posts
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    As someone who knows the UK libel laws in some detail, I have say there wouldn't be a cat in hell's chance of anything in the original article falling foul of them. The defence of fair comment would have Rab covered, assuming he genuinely holds those opinions and doesn't have a grudge against any of the journos he names - both of which seem very obvious both from the piece and from his tweets more generally.

    Yes these things are expensive to defend, but they're also very expensive suits to bring, which is why it's normally only celebrities and the very rich who manage to get as far as court with libel claims. Can't see the journo who complained fitting into that bracket.

    Very disappointed with EG for not backing their writer on this one, to be honest.

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  • LetsGo 25 Oct 2012 22:30:15 5,069 posts
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    Why is everyone going on about UK libel law? I thought the MCV guy who asked for it to be changed already stated he didn't wanna sue?
  • Orange 25 Oct 2012 22:31:35 4,564 posts
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    El_MUERkO wrote:
    Some epic fact finding on GAF, I understand why she was so desperate to get her quote pulled from the article :D

    Train Wreck.
    Laughable the way she's tried to cover her tracks. Doesn't fool anyone on the internet these days, just makes people search even harder.
  • Baleoce 25 Oct 2012 22:32:47 1,169 posts
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    It's shocking that they caved so easily. They must have known that considering the very topic of the article (and the outcome of such an edit), it would put him in a completely impossible position as a writer for EG. They even went so far as to publicly apologise to her.

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  • Popzeus 25 Oct 2012 22:32:54 8,250 posts
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    We're all going on about libel laws because what other earthly reason would there be for changing the article?

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  • Popzeus 25 Oct 2012 22:34:33 8,250 posts
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    Baleoce wrote:
    They even went so far as to publicly apologise to her.
    Seriously?

    What a joke.

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  • David_W 25 Oct 2012 22:36:56 149 posts
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    Far from one of Eurogamer's proudest moments.

    Been a reader since pretty much the beginning and I must say that I strongly disapprove with the way Eurogamer have handled this.
  • Orange 25 Oct 2012 22:39:45 4,564 posts
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    http://www.oft.gov.uk/OFTwork/consumer-enforcement/consumer-enforcement-completed/handpicked_media/q-and-a/
  • Metalfish 25 Oct 2012 22:40:09 8,688 posts
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    I'd guess EG probably wussed out, out of ignorance/fear of the law rather than any actual threats. I donno, there could be more to it or EG could genuinely believe including those names in the article could be construed as overstepping some kind of mark. Their description as "cruel" can be read into somewhat.
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