Starbucks has paid just 8.6m taxes on 3bn UK sales since 1998 Page 4

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  • Tonka 16 Oct 2012 12:56:47 21,360 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Tonka wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    rodpad wrote:
    Hot drinks lol.
    Starbucks have nice cold drinks as well.

    Nothing beats a nice iced chai latte on a hot day.
    Ever tried beer?
    It doesn't go down too well at work when you have a beer on the go.
    Then sit still for gods sake.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • jellyhead 16 Oct 2012 12:56:59 24,350 posts
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    We can't make them pay Tax as we have to let companies know that Britain is Open For Bumming, i mean Business, not Bumming!

    Sorry, forgot the official Tax Avoidance Defence Force answer for a second there ;)

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  • CosmicFuzz 16 Oct 2012 13:15:54 25,657 posts
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    Sorry I've not got a chance to properly reply to these slanderous accusations. It's my lunch break, and I'm eating chicken Kiev and watching Sunday's Downton Abbey on catchup. Give me 40 minutes.

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  • Carbon_Altered 16 Oct 2012 14:43:04 736 posts
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    It is typically left leaning analysis from the Guardian though - it's only talking about tax on earnings. Starbucks still pays VAT, local rates etc while its thousands of employees pay their PAYE etc.

    Also, this is another of those example where by if we had a more competitive tax regime (ie lower, or "flatter" ) then we would actually bring in more tax.

    Edited by Carbon_Altered at 14:43:25 16-10-2012
  • DaM 16 Oct 2012 14:53:34 13,537 posts
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    And not sure why they talk about 3bn turnover - you only pay corp tax on profit - eg after you've paid for everything else. I imagine they pay their child coffee pickers a heap :)
  • elstoof 16 Oct 2012 14:56:23 8,322 posts
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    Do they mention anywhere in the article that paying extremely low tax since 1998 was mostly done under Labour governments watch?
  • morriss 16 Oct 2012 14:57:59 71,286 posts
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    Fantastic that when things like this are announced and the only response is apathy and poor humour.

    Let's give ourselves a round of applause.
  • TheSaint 16 Oct 2012 14:59:58 14,833 posts
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    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/05/16/has-the-guardian-exploited-tax-loopholes-to-save-millions/
  • mal 16 Oct 2012 15:04:47 22,842 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    And not sure why they talk about 3bn turnover - you only pay corp tax on profit - eg after you've paid for everything else. I imagine they pay their child coffee pickers a heap :)
    Are you referring the the Guardian article? Cos all I can see there is a reference to 3bn sales, over the last 14 years. Sales != turnover, as I assume you know.

    Although I guess you're making the point that sales!=profit?

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  • SClaw 16 Oct 2012 15:11:33 826 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/05/16/has-the-guardian-exploited-tax-loopholes-to-save-millions/
    Please that let be true. Epic justice.
  • Ginger 16 Oct 2012 15:13:34 6,921 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    Fantastic that when things like this are announced and the only response is apathy and poor humour.

    Let's give ourselves a round of applause.
    /slowclap

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  • Deleted user 16 October 2012 15:14:54
    We should set fire to all the starbuckses until they pay more tax.
  • FWB 16 Oct 2012 15:51:18 45,629 posts
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    SClaw wrote:
    @FWB Actually, it was. At least the arts, politics and social movements. Look up the history of coffee shops in the UK and you'll be surprised.
    Coffee was more important than tea? Really? Find that hard to believe.
  • sport 16 Oct 2012 15:53:08 12,811 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    SClaw wrote:
    @FWB Actually, it was. At least the arts, politics and social movements. Look up the history of coffee shops in the UK and you'll be surprised.
    Coffee was more important than tea? Really? Find that hard to believe.
    You never heard of the Boston Coffee Party?!?!?
  • SClaw 16 Oct 2012 15:57:53 826 posts
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    Did I say more important? But it was very, very important.

    Actually, I think you'll find sugar and salt made the British Empire if we are talking commodities. Tea not so much, but yes it was important (tea made the East India Company rich... you know... a giant tax dodging corporation like thing).

    Edit: for a brief overview of an interesting subject - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_coffeehouses_in_the_seventeenth_and_eighteenth_centuries

    Edited by SClaw at 16:00:04 16-10-2012

    Edited by SClaw at 16:03:16 16-10-2012
  • FWB 16 Oct 2012 16:10:33 45,629 posts
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    Your link itself says that any contribution from the coffeeshops is under contention. They were also dead by the end of the 18th century. So I stand by my comment. Coffee is for cunts and tea helped make the Empire.

    Edited by FWB at 16:11:25 16-10-2012
  • elstoof 16 Oct 2012 16:13:50 8,322 posts
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    Lloyds bank started as a coffee house, as did Boodles and Whites. You don't get you bank statements from the Twinnings bank eh, and political alliances aren't formed over a game of baccarat at the Tetley club.
  • FWB 16 Oct 2012 16:15:56 45,629 posts
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    Bet they were. Bet Africa was divided up over tea and crumpets.
  • King_Edward 16 Oct 2012 16:49:54 11,471 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Lloyds bank started as a coffee house, as did Boodles and Whites. You don't get you bank statements from the Twinnings bank eh, and political alliances aren't formed over a game of baccarat at the Tetley club.
    So they couldn't cut it as coffee houses, and switched to the less loathsome practice of banking? Makes sense.

    Edited by King_Edward at 17:13:04 16-10-2012
  • elstoof 16 Oct 2012 16:59:52 8,322 posts
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    Well, I said bank for the sake of the comparison but its actually the underwriters Lloyds of London that evolved from Lloyds coffee house which might be a bit more paletable for you.
  • BurnoutJunkie 16 Oct 2012 18:06:51 730 posts
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    I hate Starbucks. It's full of hipsters, ugh. The chai latte in EAT is so much better.
  • Megapocalypse 16 Oct 2012 18:17:59 5,526 posts
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    Heh. Have to laugh a little bit now at the Occupy lot who were amongst other things protesting against corporate tax evasion, whilst queuing up everyday for their starbucks. :p
  • Deleted user 16 October 2012 18:22:14
    Because wanting a cup of coffee completely undermines their argument.
  • nickthegun 16 Oct 2012 18:33:05 61,348 posts
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    Why do hipsters always burn their mouths? Because they drank coffee before it was cool.

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  • Trowel 16 Oct 2012 18:35:58 18,072 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Because wanting a cup of coffee completely undermines their argument.
    If only there were some way for an individual to make this "coffee" themselves.
  • mal 16 Oct 2012 18:43:14 22,842 posts
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    What the flying fuck is a chai latte? A tea made with steamed milk and spices with more steamed milk (assuming the espresso is omitted for sanity)? But still, milky tea?

    Or is it just Chai for stupid wankers? Chai already contains milk.

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  • Megapocalypse 16 Oct 2012 18:43:53 5,526 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Because wanting a cup of coffee completely undermines their argument.
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure thats not what I said.
  • Deleted user 16 October 2012 18:44:36
    But they would be buying those beans from another multinational corporation.

    That's it, everyone has to start growing their own coffee beans, own their own cow, refine their own sugar and heat it over a hand made fire.
  • ronuds 16 Oct 2012 19:39:54 21,788 posts
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    They're only against the tax-evading ones.
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