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  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 15:58:09
    Sorry, that reads as complete nonsense to me. Apple are guilty of a lot, but attacking their base level right and choice to defend their own creations (forgetting the rest for a second as this is a principle argument at the moment) and labelling those that steal these and capitalise on them as the good guys is just daft.
  • disusedgenius 19 Aug 2012 16:04:49 5,188 posts
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    Well, given a comically simplistic choice between a few guys getting very rich off of the work of their developers and giving people the chance to learn and innovate by themselves, I'll take the latter. Enjoy your capitalist quagmire of stagnation, I'm off to make the most of my communist utopia, driving humanity forward for the good of us all.
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 16:22:28
    Where's the learning and innovating when Samsung, for example, try to make their phone as similar to Apple's as possible?
  • disusedgenius 19 Aug 2012 16:39:29 5,188 posts
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    I don't mean for other companies, necessarily - thus why I keep on referring to humanity as a whole.

    But to answer the question anyway - it's in the places where Samsung make it better. Though I'm not actually sure whether Samsung are any more open that Apple (they just use an Open platform for their phones), so it's not a given that they're amazingly 'good guys' either.
  • Dirtbox 19 Aug 2012 16:47:39 77,403 posts
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    @mowgli You mean the court case that ended in Apple having to publish an apology to Samsung on their website for wrongfully accusing them of exactly that?

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  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 17:05:35
    Bit more to it all than that one instance db, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
  • Dirtbox 19 Aug 2012 17:32:35 77,403 posts
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    That Samsung completed their designs a year before the first iphone was put on sale? Yeah.

    Not that Apple designed the iphone handset in the first place, that was Sony.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:34:58 19-08-2012

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  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 17:40:15
    Are we serious going to start picking and choosing parts of each side's case, because I'm on my phone and don't have the care even if I was at my pc.

    Suffice to say that is one part of many, in one case of many... To try and use it to paint a conclusive picture isn't doing your clued up rep any favours.
  • Khanivor 19 Aug 2012 17:41:19 40,296 posts
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    Has anyone made a graph showing Apple's declining share of the market versus their rising number of patent cases? Be curious to see if there's any alignment.
  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2012 17:43:30 58,725 posts
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    Declining market share of what?

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  • DodgyPast 19 Aug 2012 17:47:41 8,397 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    Where's the learning and innovating when Samsung, for example, try to make their phone as similar to Apple's as possible?
    Really? The Note rather disproves that blanket statement.

    Wouldn't disagree that they could've made more effort to differentiate some of their products, but at the same time it was probably pretty difficult to predict that in the future Apple and the US patent system were going to go full retard.

    Also it's a little ridiculous saying Samsung can't innovate when they were responsible for developing a significant amount of the standards that have made modern smartphones possible .

    Edited by DodgyPast at 18:05:14 19-08-2012
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 17:51:30
    Khanivor wrote:
    Has anyone made a graph showing Apple's declining share of the market versus their rising number of patent cases? Be curious to see if there's any alignment.
    No because it isn't declining.

    http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/02/iphone-market-share-june-2012-android-blackberry/
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 17:53:05
    Lol you muppets, I don't give a shit.
  • Khanivor 19 Aug 2012 18:04:39 40,296 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Khanivor wrote:
    Has anyone made a graph showing Apple's declining share of the market versus their rising number of patent cases? Be curious to see if there's any alignment.
    No because it isn't declining.

    http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/02/iphone-market-share-june-2012-android-blackberry/
    Unless you count the whole world.
  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2012 18:07:07 58,725 posts
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    Lol you muppets, I don't give a shit.
    About being thick? Thats the spirit!

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  • silentbob 19 Aug 2012 18:12:29 28,947 posts
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    They're all as bad as each other.

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  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2012 18:13:44 58,725 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    Aargh. wrote:
    Khanivor wrote:
    Has anyone made a graph showing Apple's declining share of the market versus their rising number of patent cases? Be curious to see if there's any alignment.
    No because it isn't declining.

    http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/02/iphone-market-share-june-2012-android-blackberry/
    Unless you count the whole world.
    A single platform, shipping more units that it has done previously that only has a shrinking market share due to the success of multiple rivals is a statistic worth graphing against its parent companies rising number of patent cases? U mental (question mark)

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  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 18:13:58
    nickthegun wrote:
    revan8 wrote:
    Lol you muppets, I don't give a shit.
    About being thick? Thats the spirit!
    Ha, no. Insults only hurt when they hit close to the bone.
    About people on forum caring what I say or not.
  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2012 18:16:24 58,725 posts
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    silentbob wrote:
    They're all as bad as each other.
    Absolutely this. There is no winner here except the lawyers. If google are successful people will no longer be able to buy a good product. Woop de doo.

    Fwiw, I love apple products (2nd gen onwards, obviously) but I absolutely *hate* apple as a company. They are the sharpest, most precious bunch of pirates on the tech high seas but its not as if google are some robin hood, riding in to protect our consumer virtues. Neither of them give a shit about you until you give them money and even then, they would charge for a pint of piss if you were on fire.

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  • DFawkes 19 Aug 2012 18:19:51 22,536 posts
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    I just wish they could all just get along. Leave all this nonsense behind and concentrate on selling phones. This type of thing is rarely good for consumers.

    I'd kick the living daylights out of the producers of Tipping Point - Ghandi

  • Khanivor 19 Aug 2012 18:20:52 40,296 posts
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    @nickthegun - I'm mental if I suspect Apple's reasoning might have less to do with the integrity of its inventors then of attempting to deny its competitors access to markets.
  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2012 18:27:36 58,725 posts
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    Thats certainly a part of it but they will stifle competitors by any means possible just because.

    If macbooks had anything other than normal laptop components in them, im sure dell would be drowning in litigation too.

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  • Khanivor 19 Aug 2012 18:28:39 40,296 posts
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    Gonna be funny when Apple start going after patents for watching TV.
  • silentbob 19 Aug 2012 18:29:19 28,947 posts
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    I'm afraid if you want to live in a society that reaps the benefits of a capitalist ideal, you have to accept that ideas are commodities. As soon as you accept that, the above graph is inevitable.

    The resolution for the above is also not as simple as the distinction between socialism and capitalism. In fact, what should probably happen is a severe overhaul of US Patent 'rights'. I think the balance between protecting the financial incentives associated with innovation (and thereby, in theory, encouraging it) and throttling incremental innovation by enforcing draconian copyright and patent laws seems to be way off kilter right now.

    I'd like to hear Lou's thoughts on this as, quite frankly, he knows what he's on about (even if he does have no small interest in the current state of affairs).

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  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 18:30:21
    DFawkes wrote:
    I just wish they could all just get along. Leave all this nonsense behind and concentrate on selling phones. This type of thing is rarely good for consumers.
    This.

    Happening in most markets now, patients should be tighter and not given out for things like sliding unlocking.
  • silentbob 19 Aug 2012 18:33:47 28,947 posts
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    revan8 wrote:
    DFawkes wrote:
    I just wish they could all just get along. Leave all this nonsense behind and concentrate on selling phones. This type of thing is rarely good for consumers.
    This.

    Happening in most markets now, patients should be tighter and not given out for things like sliding unlocking.
    You mean looser not tighter. And precisely why should this not be patentable? Genuine question.

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  • disusedgenius 19 Aug 2012 18:37:16 5,188 posts
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    Doesn't the UK have some kind of rules over software patents which stop s a lot of this crap from happening? Seems to work out for us ok.
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 18:39:34
    Tighter in the way that they are harder to get, if they looser they would be too easy for the owner to sue on.

    I slide unlock is hardly something that should be exclusive. It is an obvious method of unlocking on a touch screen device.
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 18:42:02
    DFawkes wrote:
    I just wish they could all just get along. Leave all this nonsense behind and concentrate on selling phones. This type of thing is rarely good for consumers.
    Awww, gotta love this guy. DFawkes not winning EG woman of the year 2011 was a tragedy! ;)
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