Windows on an SSD - now what? Page 2

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  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 11:35:42 29,229 posts
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    It's a ludicrous false economy to try and protect your SSD from an 'early failure' when you, at the same time, remove much of the benefit of having it in the first place.

    Keep as many frequently accessed files, including Windows temporarily files, on your SSD because speed of access to these files have a direct affect on your Windows experience. Further, anything you know you'll be using a lot (games etc.) should be moved to SSD.

    The only things I'd always advise checking once you upgrade is that TRIM is enabled and that you disable any defrag operations on your SSD (which has zero benefit).

    You need to weigh up the size / benefit before moving stuff of course, your space is limited.

    Edited by silentbob at 12:07:07 04-07-2012
  • Rusty_M 4 Jul 2012 11:46:29 5,495 posts
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    Some games benefit more than others. If a game stutters due to loading from an HDD, an SSD may smooth that out. I find it helps massively on some flight simulation games.
  • sport 4 Jul 2012 11:55:55 13,085 posts
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    @silentbob - this is the impression I'm getting.

    guy 1: "Get an SSD for ultimate performance!"
    guy 2: "Cool, will do"
    guy 1: "But don't put any of your games on it, or programs, or apps, just the OS, but make sure the swap file ain't there. Also no important data."
    guy 2: "Right, so why am I getting a SSD again"
    guy 1: "For performance!!!!"
    guy 2: "Fuck off"
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 12:02:26 82,332 posts
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    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 12:04:05 04-07-2012
  • sport 4 Jul 2012 12:07:50 13,085 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.
    ;-P I know mate. Wasn't having a dig.
  • Ginger 4 Jul 2012 12:09:13 7,027 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.
    Swap file definitely will if you're running lots of memory intensive stuff. I've just ordered 16GB RAM though so that'll keep that under control for a while I hope
  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 13:11:28 29,229 posts
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    sport wrote:
    @silentbob - this is the impression I'm getting.

    guy 1: "Get an SSD for ultimate performance!"
    guy 2: "Cool, will do"
    guy 1: "But don't put any of your games on it, or programs, or apps, just the OS, but make sure the swap file ain't there. Also no important data."
    guy 2: "Right, so why am I getting a SSD again"
    guy 1: "For performance!!!!"
    guy 2: "Fuck off"
    DB was perfectly correct to bring the point up, most people are unaware of SSD's limitations.

    As ever, you just have to absorb the info and do what you think is best for your situation / system.

    All that aside, SSD is the single biggest upgrade you can perform on a computer outside of RAM / GPU. It's also fast becoming the cheapest.
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Jul 2012 13:31:36 36,633 posts
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    woodnotes wrote:
    Is upgrading to SSD worth it? Does it make a big difference to the Windows experience in general?
    I was surprised how quickly (namely: instantly) Windows is usable after booting. My PC is no slouch, but before it has found the network and Steam, Squeezebox server etc., are launched, not much was possible. Now it's responsive as soon as the UI is visible.

    Biggest surprise for me so far was that just having the programs (like VLC etc.) on the SSD, but the media themselves on the normal hdd makes a big difference. Even opening big HD videos quickly one after another happens immediately. Not quite sure why that is though, I would have thought the storage of the media is the limiting factor there.

    Edited by UncleLou at 13:32:04 04-07-2012
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 13:43:26 82,332 posts
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    HD movies stream from media at tiny fraction of the media's data transfer rate. The only limiting factor is the initial seek time for a mechanical HDD. The program launch is triggered by file type.

    And for christ sakes, get PotPlayer, VLC is a massive turd.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:59:08 04-07-2012
  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 13:56:15 29,229 posts
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    UncleLou wrote:
    woodnotes wrote:
    Is upgrading to SSD worth it? Does it make a big difference to the Windows experience in general?
    I was surprised how quickly (namely: instantly) Windows is usable after booting. My PC is no slouch, but before it has found the network and Steam, Squeezebox server etc., are launched, not much was possible. Now it's responsive as soon as the UI is visible.

    Biggest surprise for me so far was that just having the programs (like VLC etc.) on the SSD, but the media themselves on the normal hdd makes a big difference. Even opening big HD videos quickly one after another happens immediately. Not quite sure why that is though, I would have thought the storage of the media is the limiting factor there.
    Seek operations are massively quicker, so any request by the OS to storage is going to respond more quickly. In many cases, this over raw throughput is the most obvious benefit to using SSDs.

    You'll notice app installations are almost pleasurable now too. ;)
  • gamingdave 12 Nov 2014 11:20:55 4,452 posts
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    SSD for your OS install and most frequently used apps. Normal drive for files.
  • sport 12 Nov 2014 11:28:04 13,085 posts
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    Just make sure the SSD has cherry RED switches, RED!!!
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 12:53:40 82,332 posts
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    I'm still using potplayer, in fact I think it's the same version of potplayer I was using then. Love it.
  • gamingdave 12 Nov 2014 13:01:55 4,452 posts
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    Ill check out potplayer, nice tip, I always use MPC-HC with madVR for films.
  • Fake_Blood 12 Nov 2014 13:11:12 5,137 posts
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    I only have a 128GB SSD but I tend to keep the games I'm currently playing on there.
    Once I'm done I back it up to a NAS, with steam it's an easy process. I started doing this when Rage came out and there was much less pop in on the SSD.
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 13:15:08 82,332 posts
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    One of the main reasons I went in search of something else was VLC looks like a ripped arse.

    Potplayer looks like this:



    Also I got sick of VLC wanting to update every other day.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:16:11 12-11-2014
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 13:19:19 82,332 posts
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    An interface designed by a programmer is no interface at all.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:20:18 12-11-2014
  • UncleLou Moderator 12 Nov 2014 13:24:44 36,633 posts
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    How time flies.

    Still going strong, that SSD.
  • Deleted user 12 November 2014 13:57:24
    cz_hedgehog wrote:
    Big Buck Bunny noticeably better quality.
    ?

    Have you got some sort of deep jpeg inspection tool that demonstrates this?
  • UncleLou Moderator 12 Nov 2014 14:00:31 36,633 posts
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    @cz_hedgehog Was a Samsung. 830 or 840 or something.
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