Windows on an SSD - now what? Page 2

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  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 11:35:42 29,026 posts
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    It's a ludicrous false economy to try and protect your SSD from an 'early failure' when you, at the same time, remove much of the benefit of having it in the first place.

    Keep as many frequently accessed files, including Windows temporarily files, on your SSD because speed of access to these files have a direct affect on your Windows experience. Further, anything you know you'll be using a lot (games etc.) should be moved to SSD.

    The only things I'd always advise checking once you upgrade is that TRIM is enabled and that you disable any defrag operations on your SSD (which has zero benefit).

    You need to weigh up the size / benefit before moving stuff of course, your space is limited.

    Edited by silentbob at 12:07:07 04-07-2012

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  • Rusty_M 4 Jul 2012 11:46:29 4,918 posts
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    Some games benefit more than others. If a game stutters due to loading from an HDD, an SSD may smooth that out. I find it helps massively on some flight simulation games.

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  • sport 4 Jul 2012 11:55:55 12,808 posts
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    @silentbob - this is the impression I'm getting.

    guy 1: "Get an SSD for ultimate performance!"
    guy 2: "Cool, will do"
    guy 1: "But don't put any of your games on it, or programs, or apps, just the OS, but make sure the swap file ain't there. Also no important data."
    guy 2: "Right, so why am I getting a SSD again"
    guy 1: "For performance!!!!"
    guy 2: "Fuck off"
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 12:02:26 79,172 posts
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    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 12:04:05 04-07-2012

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  • sport 4 Jul 2012 12:07:50 12,808 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.
    ;-P I know mate. Wasn't having a dig.
  • Ginger 4 Jul 2012 12:09:13 6,916 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Well, I know what I'm doing at least. Most of the things you mention don't gain anything from being on an SSD, OS files and apps do though.
    Swap file definitely will if you're running lots of memory intensive stuff. I've just ordered 16GB RAM though so that'll keep that under control for a while I hope

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  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 13:11:28 29,026 posts
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    sport wrote:
    @silentbob - this is the impression I'm getting.

    guy 1: "Get an SSD for ultimate performance!"
    guy 2: "Cool, will do"
    guy 1: "But don't put any of your games on it, or programs, or apps, just the OS, but make sure the swap file ain't there. Also no important data."
    guy 2: "Right, so why am I getting a SSD again"
    guy 1: "For performance!!!!"
    guy 2: "Fuck off"
    DB was perfectly correct to bring the point up, most people are unaware of SSD's limitations.

    As ever, you just have to absorb the info and do what you think is best for your situation / system.

    All that aside, SSD is the single biggest upgrade you can perform on a computer outside of RAM / GPU. It's also fast becoming the cheapest.

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  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Jul 2012 13:31:36 35,850 posts
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    woodnotes wrote:
    Is upgrading to SSD worth it? Does it make a big difference to the Windows experience in general?
    I was surprised how quickly (namely: instantly) Windows is usable after booting. My PC is no slouch, but before it has found the network and Steam, Squeezebox server etc., are launched, not much was possible. Now it's responsive as soon as the UI is visible.

    Biggest surprise for me so far was that just having the programs (like VLC etc.) on the SSD, but the media themselves on the normal hdd makes a big difference. Even opening big HD videos quickly one after another happens immediately. Not quite sure why that is though, I would have thought the storage of the media is the limiting factor there.

    Edited by UncleLou at 13:32:04 04-07-2012
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 13:43:26 79,172 posts
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    HD movies stream from media at tiny fraction of the media's data transfer rate. The only limiting factor is the initial seek time for a mechanical HDD. The program launch is triggered by file type.

    And for christ sakes, get PotPlayer, VLC is a massive turd.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:59:08 04-07-2012

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  • silentbob 4 Jul 2012 13:56:15 29,026 posts
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    UncleLou wrote:
    woodnotes wrote:
    Is upgrading to SSD worth it? Does it make a big difference to the Windows experience in general?
    I was surprised how quickly (namely: instantly) Windows is usable after booting. My PC is no slouch, but before it has found the network and Steam, Squeezebox server etc., are launched, not much was possible. Now it's responsive as soon as the UI is visible.

    Biggest surprise for me so far was that just having the programs (like VLC etc.) on the SSD, but the media themselves on the normal hdd makes a big difference. Even opening big HD videos quickly one after another happens immediately. Not quite sure why that is though, I would have thought the storage of the media is the limiting factor there.
    Seek operations are massively quicker, so any request by the OS to storage is going to respond more quickly. In many cases, this over raw throughput is the most obvious benefit to using SSDs.

    You'll notice app installations are almost pleasurable now too. ;)

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  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 11:14:15 343 posts
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    I am looking to buy two HDDs. I am thinking one for Windows, one for general.

    Should I just buy two hybrids? What is the best bet and most reliable brand?

    I read that Seagate are pish...
  • gamingdave 12 Nov 2014 11:20:55 4,334 posts
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    SSD for your OS install and most frequently used apps. Normal drive for files.
  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 11:26:04 343 posts
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    SSD cost less than I expect, maybe I will go that route.

    How much gigs does windows 7 need?

    and what about program files folder, does that go on SSD too?
  • sport 12 Nov 2014 11:28:04 12,808 posts
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    Just make sure the SSD has cherry RED switches, RED!!!
  • Steve_Perry 12 Nov 2014 11:49:53 5,200 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    HD movies stream from media at tiny fraction of the media's data transfer rate. The only limiting factor is the initial seek time for a mechanical HDD. The program launch is triggered by file type.

    And for christ sakes, get PotPlayer, VLC is a massive turd.
    Sorry to necro your old post, but is this any good still? I'm finding VLC gets worse with every update. Shame as I used to rate it.
  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 11:54:49 343 posts
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    VLC is awesome. Rock steady no matter what shoddy obscure or broken filetype of porn I throw at it.

    Has it seriously ever crashed or anything that you would need to get rid of it?

    Potplayer? Sounds like some pretentious junk alternative.

    Maybe it is your computer? Or you have mucked around with VLC settings too much? (even a simple uninstall/reinstall doesn't reset them) I had that very same issue with VLC, but remembered the setting I changed. Changed it back all good again.

    Edited by cz_hedgehog at 11:59:01 12-11-2014
  • Steve_Perry 12 Nov 2014 12:25:12 5,200 posts
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    It hangs a fair bit, seems to be bloated compared to when it first launched and I'm always open to trying new stuff or alternatives to see what they offer.

    Also, if DB recommends something PC software wise, I normally pay attention.

    He might be a misanthropic bastard but he knows his onions.
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 12:53:40 79,172 posts
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    I'm still using potplayer, in fact I think it's the same version of potplayer I was using then. Love it.

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  • gamingdave 12 Nov 2014 13:01:55 4,334 posts
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    Ill check out potplayer, nice tip, I always use MPC-HC with madVR for films.
  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 13:05:06 343 posts
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    No idea why VLC would hang, there must be a reason for it, but I'm not convinced the player is fundamentally at fault. Could be a host of things.

    Mines works flawlessly - instant loading with no hangs or crashing, like ever in the years I've been using it - if it did start to hang, then I'd put it down to the files themselves, not the player. Possible HDD corruptage?

    I know that was the problem a while back when Winamp started the same behaviour for me.
  • Fake_Blood 12 Nov 2014 13:11:12 4,445 posts
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    I only have a 128GB SSD but I tend to keep the games I'm currently playing on there.
    Once I'm done I back it up to a NAS, with steam it's an easy process. I started doing this when Rage came out and there was much less pop in on the SSD.
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 13:15:08 79,172 posts
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    One of the main reasons I went in search of something else was VLC looks like a ripped arse.

    Potplayer looks like this:



    Also I got sick of VLC wanting to update every other day.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:16:11 12-11-2014

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  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 13:17:29 343 posts
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    and do you have a comparison shot for VLC? otherwise this is 100% pointless...
  • Dirtbox 12 Nov 2014 13:19:19 79,172 posts
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    An interface designed by a programmer is no interface at all.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:20:18 12-11-2014

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  • UncleLou Moderator 12 Nov 2014 13:24:44 35,850 posts
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    How time flies.

    Still going strong, that SSD.
  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 13:44:06 343 posts
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    Big Buck Bunny noticeably better quality.

    Where are the slow mo buttons? Definitely a must to capture quality jiggle action.

    @UncleLou What brand did you get?

    Edited by cz_hedgehog at 13:48:44 12-11-2014
  • Steve_Perry 12 Nov 2014 13:55:45 5,200 posts
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    I don't base my software choices based on porn viewing, so we may not see eye to eye.

    Not all the time anyway.
  • Bremenacht 12 Nov 2014 13:57:24 19,648 posts
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    cz_hedgehog wrote:
    Big Buck Bunny noticeably better quality.
    ?

    Have you got some sort of deep jpeg inspection tool that demonstrates this?
  • UncleLou Moderator 12 Nov 2014 14:00:31 35,850 posts
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    @cz_hedgehog Was a Samsung. 830 or 840 or something.
  • cz_hedgehog 12 Nov 2014 14:10:05 343 posts
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    Hmm, the Sammy is significantly dearer than the competition.

    I wonder is it better quality, or are all SSD effectively equal?

    I know read speeds differ, but quality - given the price difference?

    And any speed difference between solid state, is that likely to be significant since there are no moving parts?
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