EU rules that downloadable games to be resellable

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  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 08:17:18 79,172 posts
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    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/03/crikey-eu-rules-you-can-resell-downloaded-games/

    Interesting news.

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  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 08:30:29 21,336 posts
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    Gods. any bets that this is the end of DL games in the EU?

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  • mrpon 4 Jul 2012 08:38:50 29,560 posts
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    http://www.eurogamer.net/forum/thread/238144

    Give yourself £5 or ½ gig, you're worth it.

  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 08:39:14
    OLD!!

    Sill, much better title, this should keep the tight arses happy whilst putting up the price of new games if anything comes of this.

    Everyones a winner.
  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 08:40:12
    Tonka wrote:
    Gods. any bets that this is the end of DL games in the EU?
    Yeah, PC gamers will start buying games in draconian ways again 0_o
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 09:06:30 79,172 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    Gods. any bets that this is the end of DL games in the EU?
    No. Don't be so fucking stu... Oh, it's Tonka.

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  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 10:14:11 21,336 posts
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    @Dirtbox So you think they'll happily rebuild XBox LIVE, STEAM etc to enable a second hand market?

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  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 10:15:22 79,172 posts
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    No, I don't think it'll have any impact whatsoever, it's a stupid piece of legislation that is likely to be overturned when someone points out how far reaching the implications are.

    But also, do you really think Valve, the single most profitable software company on the planet is just going to go out of business because of this? Really?

    Edited by Dirtbox at 10:18:34 04-07-2012

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  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 10:20:31 21,336 posts
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    If that was what I had thought I would have said so.

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  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 10:45:23 21,336 posts
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    @Dirtbox Since you're such a smart ass, why don't you tell me what "far reaching implications" there might be?

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  • warlockuk 4 Jul 2012 10:47:15 19,223 posts
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    Aren't they obvious?

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 10:48:15 79,172 posts
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    All downloadable assets should be resellable? Well that's iTunes out of business then. The Google Web Store, MS Marketplace. All share and domain ware. Amazon ebooks, all online music stores, Etc.

    Every single thing you can pay for and download.

    You don't have to be a smartarse to realise this, you just need a speck of sense.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 10:52:26 04-07-2012

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  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 10:49:27
    Anyone wanna buy some Horse Armour for 50p?
  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 11:09:16 21,336 posts
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    @Dirtbox Do you really think Apple, the single most profitable hardware/software company on the planet is just going to go out of business because of this? Really?

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  • senso-ji 4 Jul 2012 11:10:59 6,041 posts
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    I think the most interesting piece of information that came out of this ruling is that the EU has decreed EULA's don't mean shit.
  • Sharzam 4 Jul 2012 11:28:06 3,356 posts
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    As with every eu thing, nothing will happen till someone challenges it and more importantly finds a way to make money.

    In this case it would take someone like valve to bring in second hand sales then say ubisoft take valve to court for enabling second hand.As this is not in valves interest, bugger all will start in the first place.

    Known as 'Sharzam' in 98.5% of games

  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 11:30:03
    senso-ji wrote:
    I think the most interesting piece of information that came out of this ruling is that the EU has decreed EULA's don't mean shit.
    We've known that for decades.
  • Stickman 4 Jul 2012 11:46:56 29,664 posts
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    Fiddle.

    THIS SPACE FOR RENT

  • Tonka 4 Jul 2012 11:52:08 21,336 posts
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    Do we have class action lawsuits in EU?
    I'm starting a protest group demanding that every DL seller provide the infrastructure for me to resell their wares in any way I see fit. e-bay, the pub or a car booth sale.

    How hard can it be? <-- Irony

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  • Lexx87 4 Jul 2012 11:53:14 20,863 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    @Dirtbox Do you really think Apple, the single most profitable hardware/software company on the planet is just going to go out of business because of this? Really?
    Note he said 'iTunes' not 'Apple'

    Speak the truth hussy!

  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 11:58:13
    The specific rule seems to be that if a license is sold indefinitely – i.e. not a license for a year, or similar – that the rightholder “exhausts his exclusive distribution right”.
    “Such a transaction involves a transfer of the right of ownership of the copy.”
    So if every game is sold with a timed license then the issue goes away?
  • mcmonkeyplc 4 Jul 2012 11:59:33 39,566 posts
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    MASSIVE SIMPLETON STATEMENT WARNING.

    The issue is about ownership. If you buy something you own it and should be able to do what you want with it without harming the original creator (IP).

    The problem is when the re-sale of the product effects the profitabilty of the original creator. However they can get round this with things like the online pass?

    Told you it was a simpleton statement.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 12:00:46
    Certainly is.
  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 12:06:01
    Make all games require an online connection and then you're licensing access to that/charging for that service and not the game software.
  • mcmonkeyplc 4 Jul 2012 12:08:20 39,566 posts
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    CrispyXUK wrote:
    Certainly is.
    That is one tasty user picture you have there Crispy.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 13:32:29 79,172 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    @Dirtbox Do you really think Apple, the single most profitable hardware/software company on the planet is just going to go out of business because of this? Really?
    Apple? Read. You said:


    Tonka wrote:
    @Dirtbox So you think they'll happily rebuild XBox LIVE, STEAM etc to enable a second hand market?
    So you can answer your own question, can't you? Well, probably not but you can at least try.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 14:20:51 04-07-2012

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  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 13:34:02 79,172 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Make all games require an online connection and then you're licensing access to that/charging for that service and not the game software.
    Turning games into an ongoing paid for service is akin to making everything an MMO. And that doesn't touch things like ebooks, movies, TV shows and music unless they're cloud served.

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  • Deleted user 4 July 2012 13:36:51
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    CrispyXUK wrote:
    Certainly is.
    That is one tasty user picture you have there Crispy.
    It's how I real 'em in
  • kosigan 4 Jul 2012 14:33:31 477 posts
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    @mcmonkeyplc -
    If you buy something you own it
    That's not true in the case of, for example, software, music and films. What you buy is a licence to access the content - you do not own the content. The disc that you receive when you pay for a physical copy is merely the delivery mechanism to enable to you access that content. This is why the publishers want a download-only future: it cuts out the cost of the manufacture and distribution of the physical media and, until this ruling, there was no resale value to a digital copy. We'll have to wait and see how it pans out in reality when it comes to someone trying to use this ruling to do so.
  • Dirtbox 4 Jul 2012 14:40:19 79,172 posts
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    It's that EULA that this legislation overrules in it's entirety.

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