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  • richardiox 30 Jan 2013 00:54:49 4,976 posts
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    Have you seen the 3DS's release schedule?!

    Sales count for something but as a gamer I want a steady stream of great software. 3DS has been out 24 months and it's still barren.

    WiiU may still yet be "saved" from a units sold perspective, but from a gamers perspective it's intrinsically doomed.
  • Luckyjim 30 Jan 2013 01:02:18 2,611 posts
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    Some people just like playing Nintendo exclusives. There's nothing wrong with that. I can get my AAA third party fix with the next PS/XB.

    If Nintendo's no longer relevant to you that's fine. There's no way I'll argue against your opinion or, in someway, try to convince you otherwise. It's all horses for courses.
  • Luckyjim 30 Jan 2013 01:08:02 2,611 posts
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    Re: Sales doom

    Inclined to agree with Raiko. Nintendo have shown in their recent history that they're not averse to drastic actions to get themselves out if a pickle. We also can't dismiss the power of certain key titles to shift machines.

    3rd party support was always going to be lacking, just like with the Wii. Anyone who bought a Wii U thinking otherwise is deluded.
  • Sid-Nice 30 Jan 2013 01:31:22 15,390 posts
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    Deep down inside I knew the Wii U wouldn’t set the world alight; I’m actually heartbroken by the poor sales figures, now my Wii U can sit proudly next to my Atari Jaguar and DreamCast as part of my “Failed video game console collection.”

    It’s a hard pill to swallow knowing that the next Xbox and next PlayStation consoles will sell like hot cakes; with ground breaking graphics and a multitude of new IP’s at launch, only a fool would bet against Microsoft and Sony.

    RIP Nintendo.

    NNID Sid-Nice

  • Psychotext 30 Jan 2013 02:01:12 49,221 posts
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    Luckyjim wrote:
    Nintendo have shown in their recent history that they're not averse to drastic actions to get themselves out if a pickle.
    I don't think anyone's disputing this one, the problem is that whilst Microsoft can rely on their Operating Systems / Office divisions and Sony can rely on Financial Services, Nintendo sell games, and that's all they do.

    If the 3DS isn't making them a profit, and the Wii U has to have the arse cut out of it to make sales then they're going to find themselves in a whole world of hurt real quick. They can live on their cash reserves for a while, but investors are going to turn on them in a heartbeat if they think that they don't have a viable long term plan for profitability... and it's at that point where things get really nasty.

    Rambling aside... it's a mistake to assume they can flip open the 3DS playbook and apply the same tactics to the Wii U. Only games and effective marketing can get them out of this pickle. Gouging price cuts really could mean doom.

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  • Deleted user 30 January 2013 04:38:51
    richardiox wrote:
    Have you seen the 3DS's release schedule?!

    Sales count for something but as a gamer I want a steady stream of great software. 3DS has been out 24 months and it's still barren.
    Come October it'll get a massive surge in sales... there's still some good games coming, but I'll admit it's not the DS, which had a great run for many years there, though it took a year and a half to get there.

    A barren launch and two years w/o games isn't necessarily a death knell either... look at the PS3. It floundered until mid-2009.
  • DodgyPast 30 Jan 2013 05:30:06 7,866 posts
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    I believe the GameCube was still profitable for them so I just can't see this as a sky is falling situation.

    It probably will be another Nintendo box, but I can see that being enough to keep them in the game. I know I'll eventually pick one up, and probably before the next gen Xbox or PS as I've got a solid gaming PC. I'll pick it up because there'll be enough gaming experiences that I can't get elsewhere to justify a purchase when it's dropped in price a couple of times.

    I don't think I'll be alone in this sentiment either... So in some ways they are going after the hard core gamers since these are the people prepared to own multiple gaming systems.

    But for the love of god they need to fix the DLC situation because I refuse to buy new VC with every console.

    Edited by DodgyPast at 05:31:16 30-01-2013
  • Armoured_Bear 30 Jan 2013 07:20:17 4,102 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    Have you seen the 3DS's release schedule?!

    Sales count for something but as a gamer I want a steady stream of great software. 3DS has been out 24 months and it's still barren.

    WiiU may still yet be "saved" from a units sold perspective, but from a gamers perspective it's intrinsically doomed.
    lol.
    With The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Lego City Adventure, Pikmin 3, X, Yoshi Land, Mario Kart, Zelda, Mario 3D and other unannounced stuff to come it's not doomed for this gamer.

    The internet is ridiculous, everything is either amazing or shit, doomed or destined for success with no middle ground.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 30 Jan 2013 07:39:55 10,281 posts
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    I think that the Wii U is both amazing and fucked at the same time. For me - if you will permit me the crude metaphor - it's like a beautiful, sexy, intelligent woman with an incurable STD. You love her, and you want her, but... There's that STD you'd have to live with...

    PSN Barrysama

  • Armoured_Bear 30 Jan 2013 07:44:09 4,102 posts
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    BTW Nintendo just announced $160M net income for the 9 months so even with lacklustre initial sales they're still making a profit.
    Not quite doomed yet.
  • Deckard1 30 Jan 2013 07:52:09 18,126 posts
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    We're about half way through the 5 stages of ecosse at the moment. Now we see "denial". Next up anger, followed swiftly by gay porn.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 30 Jan 2013 07:54:39 10,281 posts
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    /exposes self

    PSN Barrysama

  • Telepathic.Geometry 30 Jan 2013 07:55:13 10,281 posts
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    Wait a minute, Armoured Bear is ecosse? Hey buddy, long time no see...

    PSN Barrysama

  • Armoured_Bear 30 Jan 2013 07:56:29 4,102 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    Wait a minute, Armoured Bear is ecosse? Hey buddy, long time no see...
    Hello mate, how's Japan treating you?
  • Telepathic.Geometry 30 Jan 2013 08:01:13 10,281 posts
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    Pretty good. For example, I've been surfing the net all day at work. Pretty cushy. :) You still in France?

    PSN Barrysama

  • Armoured_Bear 30 Jan 2013 08:02:47 4,102 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    Pretty good. For example, I've been surfing the net all day at work. Pretty cushy. :) You still in France?
    I'm in Bern, Switzerland and loving it.
    Not getting quite as much snow as I'd like atm :-)
  • JuanKerr 30 Jan 2013 08:23:31 35,454 posts
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    TG lives in Japan?
  • Gregolution 30 Jan 2013 08:38:52 2,482 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    They can live on their cash reserves for a while, but investors are going to turn on them in a heartbeat if they think that they don't have a viable long term plan for profitability... and it's at that point where things get really nasty.
    eh? It would only get really nasty if you're a shareholder, doesn't mean much to Nintendo. Their net profit is all that matters to them, not their stock price. Its not like a stock price drives their profits it's the other way around.
  • binky Moderator 30 Jan 2013 09:15:46 8,327 posts
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    I'm finding these discussions fascinating. Last night I sat and read pretty much all of the comments section attached to the news piece - something I don't think I've ever done.

    My comment on the news piece: Drawing comparisons to PS2, PS3, 360 launches is unfair. The world is a far different place now. The landscape has changed. Recession and the rise of the App Store have changed peoples perception on what a game and a system is "worth".

    We must always remember that we (the people that talk openly about games on forums) are a vocal minority.

    Taken as it is I think the Wii U is going to be fine. 2 months is far too short a time period to judge a consoles worth, and as for "poor launch games", EVERY console suffers from this. Few, if any, have 2 games rated 8/10 + in the first week. NintendoLand, ZombieU and NSMB all seem to be scoring nicely across the board.

    Personally - I am interested in getting one. The Direct announcements the other day helped secure my attention with the solid announcements of some key titles. On top of that, I noticed recently that I have only 1 or 2 (boxed) games in my xbox collection that I would deem playable in front of my son (3yrs this year), in contrast all of my Wii games would be fine.
    By next summer he'll be 4 and I'm fairly confident he'll be showing more interest in gaming so the thought of splurging money on a console will need more thought for me in the next-gen as I'll have to be thinking about the family's involvement rather than just my own amusement.

    THIS is where I think the Wii U wins out.
  • Sid-Nice 30 Jan 2013 09:20:45 15,390 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    We're about half way through the 5 stages of ecosse at the moment. Now we see "denial". Next up anger, followed swiftly by gay porn.
    If you want gay porn; I'm sure there are other sites you could visit.

    NNID Sid-Nice

  • Gregolution 30 Jan 2013 09:21:18 2,482 posts
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    @binky

    Nail on head mate. My son is 4 and he absolutely loves watching me play Zelda. It's a million times more interesting to him than watching cartoons and it gets him thinking about the puzzles and providing input. My few hours of playing Skyward Sword with him are my favourite part of the week by far.

    Then with Nintendoland there are games the whole family play together. Pikmin for example, wife myself and he all laugh and play together. I've not had anything on the 360 or PS3 where we do this.

    Wii U is my family console. PS4 will be mine. Nextbox... we'll see what they come up with :).
  • Deckard1 30 Jan 2013 09:21:41 18,126 posts
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    Oh there is. There really really is.
  • kalel 30 Jan 2013 09:24:07 76,473 posts
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    binky wrote:
    On top of that, I noticed recently that I have only 1 or 2 (boxed) games in my xbox collection that I would deem playable in front of my son (3yrs this year), in contrast all of my Wii games would be fine.
    By next summer he'll be 4 and I'm fairly confident he'll be showing more interest in gaming so the thought of splurging money on a console will need more thought for me in the next-gen as I'll have to be thinking about the family's involvement rather than just my own amusement.

    THIS is where I think the Wii U wins out.
    Hmm.

    I don't think there's any shortage of child-friendly decent games on the xbox. You've probably just not been buying them in favour of more adult ones.

    For me the difference is not that there's fewer quality child oriented games on the xbox, but that there's fewer quality adult oriented titles on Nintendo.
  • binky Moderator 30 Jan 2013 09:25:25 8,327 posts
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    Also - I've seen a few people comment on how cheap a Wii was. That's not how I remember it. If I recall you were still looking at around £300 to get up and running because of the cost of (sold in bits) controllers.
  • binky Moderator 30 Jan 2013 09:27:41 8,327 posts
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    @kalel Perhaps I phrased that wrong, more that there are fewer child friendly games on Xbox that appeal to me on that system. Don't disagree with your second point though.
  • Youthist 30 Jan 2013 09:35:08 8,819 posts
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    How much per unit is Nintendo lose on Wii U at the moment? Is that common knowledge / have clever internet folk estimated it?
  • Derblington 30 Jan 2013 09:37:17 19,637 posts
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    It was < $15, iirc.
  • AcidSnake 30 Jan 2013 09:39:17 6,679 posts
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    Is that on the basic or the premium? Just one game needed to break even?
    That's still a pretty good margin and something they can take a hit on if the Wii U's fortunes don't improve in the coming months...

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  • Bremenacht 30 Jan 2013 09:42:37 11,256 posts
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    Gregolution wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    They can live on their cash reserves for a while, but investors are going to turn on them in a heartbeat if they think that they don't have a viable long term plan for profitability... and it's at that point where things get really nasty.
    eh? It would only get really nasty if you're a shareholder, doesn't mean much to Nintendo. Their net profit is all that matters to them, not their stock price. Its not like a stock price drives their profits it's the other way around.
    I've not read anything about Nintendo shareholders grumbling about the stock price. Haven't looked, mind. Nintendo seem very different from Sony and Microsoft in that regard, where shareholders grumble almost non-stop when the share price dips. Maybe understandably in Sony's case. I can't imagine Iwata being tolerated as CEO in any western company. More's the pity.

    So, yes - probably not remotely doomed as a company, but you'd have to be kidding yourself to consider Wii U a success.

    This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.

  • jellyhead 30 Jan 2013 09:47:19 24,346 posts
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    Am i supposed to get a card in my Wii-U box with Nintendo points?
    I've setup the console with an NNID and verified it etc but can't see any points on my account for the hardware.

    Does it show up? Some have said i should have a popup when i logged in or something.

    edit: Hmmmmm. It must take a while then or i missed it.
    If you are already a Club Nintendo member:

    Connect your Wii U console to the Internet and perform a system update – this will add Nintendo eShop to your Wii U Menu. Link your Nintendo Network ID to your Club Nintendo account, which will register your console with Club Nintendo.
    Edited by jellyhead at 09:51:31 30-01-2013

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