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  • senso-ji 28 Aug 2013 11:22:55 5,902 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We overthrew the Iranian government?!

    When?
    In 1953. Recently released declassified documents confirm this
  • ILoveThrashMetal 28 Aug 2013 11:24:43 721 posts
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    I think the past decade the UN has become pretty much worthless. I suppose it might have a leash over the Russians /us/china/uk+ to some certain extent to stop all out willy waving, but what's the point in having them if we totally disregard their findings?

    Arsechickens

  • Bremenacht 28 Aug 2013 12:04:40 18,220 posts
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    reggy72 wrote:
    Rumours milling around that The Russian fleet is within striking distance of Saudi, clever move if true.
    To get to the Syrian coast (where Russia has use of a port), you have to go through the Suez canal and the Red Sea, which is Saudi's biggest coastline. As such, Russian fleets have been frequently within strike distance of Saudi, for decades!
  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Aug 2013 12:04:43 39,456 posts
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    senso-ji wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We overthrew the Iranian government?!

    When?
    In 1953. Recently released declassified documents confirm this
    That worked out well....

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Moot_Point 28 Aug 2013 13:59:17 4,062 posts
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    I like how this article insinuates that this is the first time. Hehe!

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    mowgli wrote: I thought the 1 married the .2 and founded Islam?

  • senso-ji 28 Aug 2013 19:48:20 5,902 posts
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    Some common sense
  • Khanivor 28 Aug 2013 22:45:32 40,735 posts
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    Easily the most sensible thing posted in this thread for a number of days.
  • Whizzo 28 Aug 2013 23:40:53 43,121 posts
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    Thumbs up to New Scientist for that opinion piece.

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  • senso-ji 29 Aug 2013 22:37:27 5,902 posts
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    Government has been defeated in the house of commons on the possible use of military intervention in Syria. Didn't expect that to happen. I guess this makes Cameron's position somewhat untenable.
  • TheSaint 29 Aug 2013 22:51:29 14,371 posts
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    What happened to Labour? They used to love a bit of military force.
  • senso-ji 29 Aug 2013 22:53:22 5,902 posts
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    It's not the end of the world for the PM but it's a very different situation from two years ago when he confidently marched into the UN and got the resolution he wanted. This time, he tried the same tactics that Blair did ten years ago and came up short.

    Still, we'll see what the UN inspectors (and then Obama) come up with on Saturday.
  • Deleted user 29 August 2013 22:57:54
    i was surprised they had the debate before saturday. Theres too many ifs and buts.

    You could clearly see the shadow of iraq large looms over today. MPS didn't know what to do - although they did ask some pretty good questions to the PM.

    I don't think nobody knows how to not go in, but go stop CW attacks.
  • mal 29 Aug 2013 23:09:04 22,525 posts
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    Philip Hammond seems to think Saddam Hussein is in charge of Syria - he said it twice. Very odd. Not as odd as Paxo's new beard, but still pretty odd.

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

  • LetsGo 29 Aug 2013 23:14:18 5,217 posts
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    I'm so glad the government lost, 'chemical attack' was a red herring.

    What about Egypt? The Army, overthrow an elected government and start shooting their supporters and we don't bat an eyelid.

    Syria have been killing their own people for the last year or two and we do nothing.

    These bullets and bombs kill people as well you know!
  • MrWonderstuff 29 Aug 2013 23:22:28 1,930 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Philip Hammond seems to think Saddam Hussein is in charge of Syria - he said it twice. Very odd. Not as odd as Paxo's new beard, but still pretty odd.
    Yea a strange mistake to repeat.

    One question is if the UN inspectors report clearly suggests that Assad was responsible does the house have a new vote or is tonights defeat a 'that's final'.
  • senso-ji 29 Aug 2013 23:24:57 5,902 posts
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    The UN inspections will not conclude who used the chemical weapons, only whether they were used or not, and in what quantity. Of course, everyone will draw their own conclusions on the report and seek to point fingers anyway.
  • LetsGo 29 Aug 2013 23:24:59 5,217 posts
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    MrWonderstuff wrote:
    One question is if the UN inspectors report clearly suggests that Assad was responsible does the house have a new vote or is tonights defeat a 'that's final'.
    They won't because they can't. The UN inspectors have only been asked if their was a chemical attack, not who did it.
  • FWB 29 Aug 2013 23:28:47 44,564 posts
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    The Egyptian government were moving to install a dictatorship. They were ignoring the opposition completely and making no attempt to govern by dialogue let alone consensus. They pissed off a lot of people.

    That's not to say the army fills me with confidence.
  • MrWonderstuff 29 Aug 2013 23:35:57 1,930 posts
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    Well let's all hope Assad doesn't take this as a green light.
  • LetsGo 29 Aug 2013 23:37:31 5,217 posts
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    They need to overhaul the UN! The UN should be making these decisions!
    How can one country veto UN military action and it all stops! Thats not democracy!

    Also, apparently, two Tory MP's missed the vote as they were in a meeting in the house of commons! Doh!

    Edited by LetsGo at 23:37:43 29-08-2013
  • FWB 29 Aug 2013 23:40:11 44,564 posts
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    The UN is generally* a joke because everyone on the security council treats it as so. It'll never be reworked.

    The best approach lies with regional unions and bilateral agreements.





    *There are some exceptions, such as the ICJ which works... IF it can get jurisdiction.

    Edited by FWB at 23:43:03 29-08-2013
  • oceanmotion 29 Aug 2013 23:43:11 15,926 posts
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    Did we have one of these votes before Iraq?
  • FWB 29 Aug 2013 23:45:40 44,564 posts
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    Yep. And passed. The whips were out in major force that day.

    Edited by FWB at 23:46:22 29-08-2013
  • LetsGo 29 Aug 2013 23:46:26 5,217 posts
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    Yeah, think so, didn't Blair tell us all Iraq could attack us with Chemical Weapons within 30 minutes in that 'sexed up' dossier?

    And then the MP's voted yes?! I think?!

    Edited by LetsGo at 23:46:41 29-08-2013
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