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  • NBZ 25 Aug 2013 18:53:19 2,384 posts
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    I am not sure where to put this on the conspiracy table:

    Deleted Daily Mail Online Article: “US Backed Plan for Chemical Weapon Attack in Syria to Be Blamed on Assad”

    (It's from June, before the massacre using chemical weapons last week)
  • Khanivor 25 Aug 2013 18:59:40 41,253 posts
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    Put it in the 'infowars is the source' bin.
  • NBZ 25 Aug 2013 22:41:15 2,384 posts
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    Pretty far on the conspiracy side it is.
  • CaptainKerbal 25 Aug 2013 23:26:33 404 posts
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    What amazes me about the average conspiracy fan is the fact that they believe they, at the end of an internet connection, would actually ever uncover anything if it truly were a conspiracy.

    Let's assume for one second that the crazy article is right.

    No PMC in their right mind is going to send a real email like that. There will be no email, no trail. Plus it would be less risky to just kill Assad than to risk even the slightest chance of the US being linked to a chemical weapon strike. The risk is too high.

    I don't doubt conspiracies exist, but I question the motives of people willing to accept the word of one nation's leader at face value but not another's.

    Assad is bad. Not "Obamacare" bad, not "poll tax" bad, massacring tens of thousands of his own people bad. He's also gone past the point of no return. Wind this all back a year and there was a real chance of at least something that didn't end with him dead. Now it's to the death, his use of WMD assures that no country that doesn't want the attention of the US/NATO/Russia is going to offer him exile. Even if they did then getting him there isn't going to happen.

    When it happens, it would be nice to see a strike with his name on it, but I suspect that the favoured solution will be to ensure the "rebels" get to him. Justice has to be seen to be done, and if he is taken by anyone else he gets a free stay in the Hague for the rest of his life whilst overpaid legal teams try to figure out how many life sentences he gets and what was "justified"....
  • CaptainKerbal 26 Aug 2013 12:28:06 404 posts
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    Sky News and other sources reporting the UN team moving to the "alleged" attack sites is coming under fire...... which side who knows ?
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 26 Aug 2013 12:32:16 39,754 posts
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    Yeah it's been tweeted by the UN themselves. Their vehicle has been hit by sniper fire and they've had to go back to get a new one.

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  • DaM 26 Aug 2013 13:09:21 13,528 posts
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    I find the response of the UN to be embarrassing. Chemical weapons are being used against civilians - but because China and Russia are matey with Syria, they won't let it be treated with the level that is required.

    Having said that, I can see why Western govs are reluctant to get involved militarily...Assad knows this, without the support of China and Russia, the UN is toothless.
  • oceanmotion 26 Aug 2013 13:33:36 16,123 posts
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    Well the UN wouldn't stop the US, UK etc. anyway if push comes to shove.

    It would be nice if the UN actually went round the world really sorting things out like parts of Africa but the truth is, too many interests and when they want something to happen, they never agree and hope the US and select others do it anyway so no skin off their back plus when the shit hits the fan, they can point their fingers.
  • Anthony_UK 26 Aug 2013 17:04:08 2,547 posts
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    I find it all a bit fishy, I imagined the 'rebels' to be a rag tag barely organised force, to read that the EU is buying oil from them seems strange, do they really have that much control.

    As for Assad, he must know there would he a line which he couldn't cross. For Obama to spell out what this line was and the government forces to respond with a chemical weapon missile attack, just seems needless and just plain stupid.
  • reggy72 26 Aug 2013 17:56:10 330 posts
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    There are plenty of interesting related threads on Abovetopsecret.com, although I'm not a fully signed up member of the tin foil hat brigade there are some awfully knowledgeable posters with regards to this supposed chemical weapons attack, most definitely worth a look.
  • Deleted user 26 August 2013 18:33:44
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  • Deleted user 26 August 2013 18:53:46
    reggy72 wrote:
    There are plenty of interesting related threads on Abovetopsecret.com, although I'm not a fully signed up member of the tin foil hat brigade there are some awfully knowledgeable posters with regards to this supposed chemical weapons attack, most definitely worth a look.
    There's all sorts of scary stuff on that site, from WW3 about to start, to Europe getting beds ready in case of attack, the UK blowing up ammo dumps in Russia, the US being behind the Syria chemical attack, it goes on and on.
  • Deleted user 26 August 2013 19:00:06
    OBAMA APPROVED PLAN TO USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA,
    & BLAME IT ON ASSAD


    Really?

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    LATEST: PM spoke to Russian President Putin on phone on Monday, says No 10 - PM said "no doubt" Syrian regime behind chemical attack

    Edited by blacksea at 19:07:45 26-08-2013
  • Anthony_UK 27 Aug 2013 13:52:22 2,547 posts
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    The more I think about the above post, the more frightening I think it is.

    If this were true, our leaders are worse than all these supposed rogue dictators combined. Also seems such a strange story for the mail to publish, really doesn't seem like there style at all.

    Edited by Anthony_UK at 13:52:51 27-08-2013
  • LeoliansBro 27 Aug 2013 14:04:44 44,955 posts
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    That site is utter trash. I wouldn't worry about it.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 27 August 2013 14:10:26
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    That site is utter trash. I wouldn't worry about it.
    heh, i would imagine it is, as soon as i read the above descriptions i pulled my finger away from clicking on the link. Its bad enough that tin foil hat theories have trickled down to be almost being a part of the daily lives of people. My facebook feed as a few who take everything with a tinfoil hat eye.
  • ILoveThrashMetal 27 Aug 2013 14:11:29 825 posts
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    I think even if he didn't use chemical weapons our government will 'prove' he used these weapons.
    Whatever happens this has the potential to become a big ass shitstorm.

    Arsechickens

  • ILoveThrashMetal 27 Aug 2013 14:49:01 825 posts
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    @sajasanman point proved. Fucking cunts

    Arsechickens

  • WoodenSpoon 27 Aug 2013 15:27:30 12,303 posts
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    I don't know why people are calling this a false flag attack.

    Obama set out his red lines weeks ago. Since then there have been numerous accusations of chemical weapons being used and the West has sidestepped them.

    The West doesn't want to touch this with a barge pole but they've backed themselves in to a corner and don't want to look like they won't back up their threats.

    Even now they're talking about how to intervene enough to "signal disapproval" whilst specifically avoiding making a decisive impact on the outcome of the war. I honestly wonder what the point is.
  • Psychotext 27 Aug 2013 16:22:03 55,032 posts
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    ILoveThrashMetal wrote:
    @sajasanman point proved. Fucking cunts
    In fairness though, chemical weapons experts were saying (on the day of the attack) that they needed to be there within two days or there would be no point in going. The Syrian government knew exactly what they were doing in delaying them for so long.
  • fletch7100 27 Aug 2013 16:38:45 7,446 posts
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    So whatever happened to those initial reports with the UN stating that the Rebels had used chemicals weapon back in March

    http://www.dw.de/russia-delivers-report-to-un-citing-chemical-weapons-use-by-syrian-rebels/a-16939650

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html
  • ILoveThrashMetal 27 Aug 2013 16:59:23 825 posts
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    @Psychotext when all this shit started it was obvious where it was heading.
    The Russians arming arsehat, us arming the rebals+al-qaeda (remember them?)

    Arsechickens

  • Deleted user 27 August 2013 19:41:43
    Kick off appears to be looming closer

    All the signals from Washington and London suggest that military action against Syria is now a strong possibility. Contingency plans are being drawn up, potential target lists are being reviewed and various military assets are being moved into position.

    The US Navy is re-positioning several vessels, including four cruise missile-carrying destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean and probably a missile-firing submarine.

    A British Trafalgar class submarine is also a potential launch platform.

    If more firepower is needed, two US aircraft carriers could launch air strikes, and land bases in Turkey and Cyprus might also be used. French air power could also play a part.



    ..and what if China and Russia get involved. I like to think they won't, but who knows?

    Edited by blacksea at 19:43:09 27-08-2013
  • senso-ji 27 Aug 2013 20:01:44 6,041 posts
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    The most likely scenario is a few hundred cruise missiles hitting some Syrian military installation bases. Not sure anyone will risk air strikes as the Syrian army have some sophisticated anti aircraft tech provided by the Russians.

    But as fletch7100 points out, both sides seem to have access to chemical weapons and it's very risky to side with the rebels if they have used them in the past (and it still may be the case that they were responsible for the attack last week).
  • reggy72 27 Aug 2013 20:02:21 330 posts
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    blacksea wrote:
    reggy72 wrote:
    There are plenty of interesting related threads on Abovetopsecret.com, although I'm not a fully signed up member of the tin foil hat brigade there are some awfully knowledgeable posters with regards to this supposed chemical weapons attack, most definitely worth a look.
    There's all sorts of scary stuff on that site, from WW3 about to start, to Europe getting beds ready in case of attack, the UK blowing up ammo dumps in Russia, the US being behind the Syria chemical attack, it goes on and on.
    Well its a fringe site so you have to expect a lot of doom porn, but if you sift through bizarre you can find some really interesting gems on it. Heck even Nick Pope who use to run the UFO desk for the MOD is currently on there answering questions!
  • reggy72 27 Aug 2013 20:23:33 330 posts
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    on topic this is how I currently see it, The FSA is supported/funded/equiped by the CIA which basically consists of Jihadist from across the ME, the uprising was spured and nurtured by the CIA with outside context help from Mossad and others
    The real reason for intervention is due to a gas pipeline that the Assad regime will not allow due to a conflict of interest with its Russian partners, who pretty much these days supply most of western Europe with its natural gas, this proposed pipeline would have been a direct link to Turkey I believe then into Europe, you can then appreciate why Russia stands by Assad as this alternative natural gas route could hit Russia quite hard where it hurts, in its pocket!.

    And Money/natural resource wealth is pretty much what this all comes down to, think about it, everyday in Africa small scale genocide takes place, but no one gives a real shit because there is fuck all there worth dying for.
    If you understand who controls the purse strings then come to appreciate the really small percentage of people that have genuinely shaped modern history.
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