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  • spamdangled 4 Jan 2013 09:02:27 27,460 posts
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    That's two days in a row I've agreed with LB.

    Is the sky falling?

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  • mcmonkeyplc 4 Jan 2013 09:33:13 39,567 posts
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    We should give Britain back to the indigenous celtic and pagan tribes.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Psychotext 4 Jan 2013 10:24:29 55,032 posts
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    @mcmonkeyplc Speaking as a Welshman... we're still here. :)
  • mcmonkeyplc 4 Jan 2013 10:28:36 39,567 posts
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    You mean you've been integrated!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Psychotext 4 Jan 2013 10:45:09 55,032 posts
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    Psh.

    /attacks monkeyboy with a leek
  • Psychotext 7 Jan 2013 17:43:58 55,032 posts
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    So... having seen some of the policies coming out of Labour recently, the Conservatives being, well, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems basically imploding I've realised that if there was a general election tomorrow I wouldn't vote for anyone.

    First time in my life I've ever felt that way. Feels odd.
  • morriss 8 Jan 2013 19:18:13 71,286 posts
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    Iain Duncan Smith says he hates the culture of entitlement yet lives in a 1million house provided by his wife's father, the 5th Baron of Cottesloe and claimed benefits for his children whilst living there.
  • MetalDog 8 Jan 2013 19:22:05 23,920 posts
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    It's long been established that IDS is a cunt.
    Bit like Hunt saying failed managers in the NHS will be fired - off you go then, you useless twat!

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  • Psychotext 8 Jan 2013 21:47:21 55,032 posts
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    I see the 1% benefits cap has passed. Fair play, the government really does deserve credit for one thing this term... they've managed to utterly demonise everyone who claims any sorts of benefits. It doesn't actually matter now that many of the people being hurt by these caps are actually working stiffs on very low wages... they're filthy benefit spongers, and that's all we need to remember.

    I suspect next week we'll be hating fatties again, and I reckon in a few weeks we'll be going after immigrants for a while.

    What a fantastic country this is.

    Edited by Psychotext at 21:47:41 08-01-2013
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2013 21:52:28 27,460 posts
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    I watched the whole debate. There were a few voices of reason, even amongst all the rhetoric being slung around by both sides. Sarah Teather was the best contributor by a mile, particular in her points about the language that has been allowed to frame the debate and influence public opinion and the real-world, long term consequences it could have on society.

    Most of the Tory speakers were just continuing to perpetuate myths and stereotypes.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 22:46:57 08-01-2013

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  • jonsaan 8 Jan 2013 22:00:18 25,440 posts
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    I haven't had a pay rise in line with inflation for about 5 years. Have any of you guys?

    I feel sorry for the people on the receiving end of this but we're all in the same boat as far as having our living standards eroded year after year. On benefits or earning. We're all boned.

    FCUTA!

  • TheSaint 8 Jan 2013 22:04:11 14,829 posts
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    I wonder how many people on here got a 1 pay rise this year?
  • MetalDog 8 Jan 2013 22:04:41 23,920 posts
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    We're not all in this together, the people preaching austerity to the rest of us are living high. They're telling people to get angry and envious of the poor, instead of them. It's fucked up that people are swallowing it.

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  • jonsaan 8 Jan 2013 22:05:11 25,440 posts
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    I got zero percent the year before last and one percent the year before that.

    FCUTA!

  • Psychotext 8 Jan 2013 22:05:53 55,032 posts
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    See, that's basically the attitude. We're really not all in it together, because you know what, I'm doing a shitload better than people who need income support, sick pay and working tax credits.

    They'll massively suffer if their income can't keep pace with inflation... and frankly I wont. I'm not even wealthy, anyone in the middle classes could easily give up a little but fuck that, not for those workshy proles.
  • jonsaan 8 Jan 2013 22:06:29 25,440 posts
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    @MetalDog well yes. That's probably true. Has it ever been any different though? With the rich elite?

    FCUTA!

  • Moot_Point 8 Jan 2013 22:09:17 4,613 posts
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    @TheSaint Some people are laughing all the way to the Bank(s).

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  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2013 22:39:17 27,460 posts
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    jonsaan wrote:
    I got zero percent the year before last and one percent the year before that.
    Now translate what 1% of what 5000 a year is and compare it to what 1% of your annual salary. Still seem generous then?

    And that's before you consider that about two thirds of people in benefits are actually in work.

    The Tories have been a bit clever by talking exclusively about percentage figures instead of revealing the actual monetary amount.

    Here's another way to look at it. If you give someone on 5,000 a year and someone on 26500 a year (what the government claims is the average wage), then in monetary terms the person on 5,000 still gets less than 20% of what the person on the average wage gets.

    By talking about it in terms of percentages they've managed to mislead an awful lot of people (see also, distorting the truth about benefit fraud and by trying to frame everyone on benefits as being workshy scroungers).

    Edited by darkmorgado at 22:44:14 08-01-2013

    Edited by darkmorgado at 11:02:10 09-01-2013

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  • jonsaan 8 Jan 2013 22:48:24 25,440 posts
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    I was replying to the saint. I wasn't comparing my 1 percent to somebody on benefits. I am not entirely without a brain.

    FCUTA!

  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2013 22:52:17 27,460 posts
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    Didn't mean to suggest you were, it's just a little depressing to see how many in the public seem to be lapping this up as "about time" bollocks without realising they are playing right into the chancellor's hands.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 22:52:50 08-01-2013

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  • senso-ji 8 Jan 2013 22:53:46 6,042 posts
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    It's clear that despite all the posturing from the Government, they are no closer to clearing the deficit, haven't tackled long term youth unemployment and know the country's economy is heading back into recession.

    But they're desperate attempts to tighten the belts by targeting the most vulnerable as a means to solve this problem is offensive. Cut the top rate of tax, cut corporation tax and don't do anything about aggressive tax avoidance, but blame it on those on benefits. Tossers.
  • TheSaint 8 Jan 2013 22:59:12 14,829 posts
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    Personally I don't see taking child benefit away from being earning over 50k as targeting the most vulnerable.
  • TheSaint 8 Jan 2013 23:04:24 14,829 posts
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    This seems like a really good idea:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20936420

    Yet again nice work by the BBC managing to find a woman who within about 30secs of the start of the story tells the reporter that she just "can't be bothered" to make her children breakfast.
  • Psychotext 8 Jan 2013 23:06:59 55,032 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Personally I don't see taking child benefit away from being earning over 50k as targeting the most vulnerable.
    We're talking about a completely different thing now.

    Unrelated... I'm ambivalent as to free breakfasts for kids. If it helps them learn then it's a good thing. I never ate breakfast as a kid. Still generally don't.

    Edited by Psychotext at 23:09:01 08-01-2013
  • Dougs 8 Jan 2013 23:14:47 69,513 posts
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    It's not just about helping them learn.... Loads of kids, especially those from disadvantaged backgrounds, don't get made breakfast because their parents can't be bothered or are drunk/stoned etc. Some are sent in with crisps and a chocolate bar.
  • Psychotext 8 Jan 2013 23:22:10 55,032 posts
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    Meh, I was happy going without until lunch. :D

    (and yes, the old dear used to try, but gave up after a couple of years)
  • RelaxedMikki 8 Jan 2013 23:30:33 941 posts
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    Sometimes it's not even quite as simple as "can't be bothered" to make the kids eat breakfast. Some of us are more or less drink and drug free, and still really poor at instilling any kind of routine or dicipline into both our personal lives and the lives of our children. For all kinds of complicated reasons... it's messed up when we don't sort out the basics, though...
  • TheSaint 8 Jan 2013 23:39:20 14,829 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    Personally I don't see taking child benefit away from being earning over 50k as targeting the most vulnerable.
    We're talking about a completely different thing now.

    Unrelated... I'm ambivalent as to free breakfasts for kids. If it helps them learn then it's a good thing. I never ate breakfast as a kid. Still generally don't.
    It seemed relevant considering that in the post about mine senso-ji was claiming that the government are only targeting the most vulnerable.
  • Psychotext 8 Jan 2013 23:40:10 55,032 posts
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    He never said "only".
  • TheSaint 8 Jan 2013 23:42:33 14,829 posts
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    RelaxedMikki wrote:
    Sometimes it's not even quite as simple as "can't be bothered" to make the kids eat breakfast. Some of us are more or less drink and drug free, and still really poor at instilling any kind of routine or dicipline into both our personal lives and the lives of our children. For all kinds of complicated reasons... it's messed up when we don't sort out the basics, though...
    I was just impressed that the woman in that BBC report was happy to admit that she couldn't be bothered. You think you would at least be a little embarrassed about something like that.

    My other half is an infant school teacher in quite a well off area and she is always shocked at the children being sent in first thing in the morning eating biscuits, sweets or worse still having stopped at the drive-thru.
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