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  • DaM 16 Oct 2012 13:37:36 14,166 posts
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    I'm not for independence, I just get to follow the arguments more closely so can answer questions :)

    I realise the MP thing does seem a bit unfair...but think about what it was like before areas like education and health were devolved - instead of 70 Scottish MPs voting on issues not concerning their constituents in England/Wales/NI, Scotland would have 600 odd MPs voting on laws solely for Scotland (eg education stuff) by MPs not voted for by Scotland - and that's going back to 1707! It's part and parcel of being the UK.

    As for the University fees, in England this was done to compensate against cuts in the education budget - we've had the same cuts, just had to find them elsewhere. So our universities are getting a lot less investment and are thought to be falling behind comparable English ones as a result.

    It's particularly an issue where you have a Conservative majority in the UK, yet the Tories might have 1 Scottish Tory MP.
  • Dougs 18 Oct 2012 11:29:31 72,575 posts
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    The Energy Price Bill seems in tatters already!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/18/energy-price-row-mps-expenses-live
  • Dougs 18 Oct 2012 12:12:40 72,575 posts
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    I'm sure it was pointed out to them, but as ever, they chose to ignore it.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:17:57 39,888 posts
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    How is Ofgen supposed to know what the cheapest rate is?
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:21:41 39,888 posts
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    /facepalm
  • shamblemonkee 18 Oct 2012 12:24:38 15,196 posts
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    Yeah no idea how that was allowed to go through, bloody obvious.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:31:12 39,888 posts
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    Couldn't they use an index of prices and have their costs published?

    Trying to create a solution to a fucked up policy.
  • TheSaint 18 Oct 2012 12:32:29 15,761 posts
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    The thinking seemed to be that all the companies would offer just one tariff and then it would be easy to spot the cheapest.
  • Dougs 18 Oct 2012 12:34:25 72,575 posts
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    This is just a policy proposal at this point though - there's been nothing presented to or passed by the House. Plenty of room for manoeuvre in other words!
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:35:56 39,888 posts
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    Good cause they'd be fucking retarded to just do that.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:36:50 39,888 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Why not stagger Energy Costs by income?
    That's a little too interfering isn't it? Sounds like something an uber left wing Labour government would try and do.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:42:27 39,888 posts
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    Yeah but what forces down costs then? It's too inefficient at the suppler side.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:46:06 39,888 posts
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    What happens when they have their chunk? I suppose the incentive is to lower costs to gain more profit even if prices are fixed at income levels but I don't think that's as efficient an incentive as prices and competition.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 12:52:07 39,888 posts
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    So companies will bid to be the supplier of the entire nation?!
  • Dougs 18 Oct 2012 12:56:50 72,575 posts
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    Still isn't solving the one big problem - how to ensure cheaper, long-lasting energy supplies for the future. Drive the cost of wholesale down and prices should fall. Assuming the regulator does their job anyway
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Oct 2012 13:01:47 39,888 posts
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    I'm not liking this one supplier talk, sounds an awful lot like a monopoly.
  • senso-ji 18 Oct 2012 13:15:31 6,480 posts
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    Trying to get the cheapest energy prices from imported natural resources is stupid. If we want affordable electricity in the future, the government will need to start the building of the renewable energy power stations that are waiting to be approved.
  • RobTheBuilder 18 Oct 2012 13:26:38 6,521 posts
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    Just like banks, petrol stations, top bosses, as always cost go up and prices go up, cost go down and prices remain.

    I think the government should start a no frills energy supplier service that undercuts the big suppliers, making money for the country and forcing others to put their prices down.
  • Dougs 18 Oct 2012 13:39:13 72,575 posts
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    Isn't all energy no-frills? There's no difference in the end product, only differentiation is price. And service if you give a shit.
  • Carbon_Altered 18 Oct 2012 13:42:40 737 posts
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    senso-ji wrote:
    the government will need to start the building of the renewable energy power stations that are waiting to be approved.
    as well as relaxing the environmental constraints on all that lovely shale gas??
  • Mortey 18 Oct 2012 13:44:16 27 posts
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    People will die due to not being able to afford to heat their home, but hey as long as investors get their money.

    That is the real issue here. Re-nationalise all necessities and charge a little more in TAX (which could be fair if they bothered thinking about it) to build futher generators.
  • RobTheBuilder 18 Oct 2012 13:48:46 6,521 posts
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    @Dougs Well yeah, I meant service basically, a simple tariff, no complex options, no paper bills etc. Something that gives the energy firms (who essentially operate as a cartel in the manner that BA and Virgin were fined for doing in air travel) some real competition in pricing, as they clearly ignore realistic pricing.

    I read that in the past decade or so energy costs have gone up by 50% but bills have gone up by over 100%. It's scandalous.
  • TheSaint 18 Oct 2012 13:48:50 15,761 posts
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    MORE TAX.
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