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  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 09:55:27 58,907 posts
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    I cant see how you can, to be honest, unless you mean football law, which would immediately be challenged in court.

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  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 10:03:15 86,421 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Itís a bit of a weird situation all round. Orient could clearly never fill it unless they did match day tickets for a quid but to give it to west ham its basically signing their death warrant and you cant imagine anyone being in favour of that.
    What has happened with the Millenium Dome is clearly the best possible solution for these things.
  • The-Bodybuilder 6 Dec 2012 10:21:05 14,077 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Well, they're now the most appealing club for one, although probably more of the Glazer bum-rapey type. We only hope.
    One can hope, but considering they've gone from paying for a state-of-the-art stadium to essentially getting it for free, the part of good fortune they seem to be having, one can conclude Bill Gates wakes up tomorrow a huge Hammers fan and decides to buy them. Sadly.
  • The-Bodybuilder 6 Dec 2012 10:23:48 14,077 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    Itís a bit of a weird situation all round. Orient could clearly never fill it unless they did match day tickets for a quid but to give it to west ham its basically signing their death warrant and you cant imagine anyone being in favour of that.
    What has happened with the Millenium Dome is clearly the best possible solution for these things.
    Yeah, but it's just too difficult to turn such a specific stadium into that without even more money.

    Sadly, all we've learnt is that chanting anti-semitic nonsense rewards one with an annoying and drab (yet rather good) manager and a great stadium.

    All they need is a state-of-the-art training facility, and we're really in for it. Imagine that, West Ham the next footballing superpower.

    *shudders*
  • kentmonkey 6 Dec 2012 10:27:24 20,454 posts
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    How does this get round FFP?

    I'm obviously being thick but what's the difference to, say, an owner or an owners mate building a huge stadium for a club and gifting it to them, versus the government gifting a stadium?

    I just don't get how you can be given a huge multi-million pound 'freebie' and it not have any impact on the FFP rules. How can it be 'fair play'.

    I'm missing something, obviously.
  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 10:31:49 86,421 posts
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    FFFP excludes building grounds and such.
  • TheSaint 6 Dec 2012 10:36:01 14,201 posts
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    Who'd have thought FFP would have such massive loopholes?
  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 10:39:20 86,421 posts
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    It is to be fair designed to stop clubs ruining themselves through overspending on players, and in particular having silly wage bills. If it punished clubs for attempting to make themselves more profitable by having bigger stadiums, it would be completely self-defeating.

    And actually, as much as we moan about the likes of Chelsea and City when it comes to FFFP, it again was never really designed to punish or limit sugar daddy clubs. It's much more about the Portsmouths and Glasgow Rangers of the world.
  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 10:40:27 58,907 posts
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    Well this also has the potential to ruin them too. They are a bit of a yoyo club at the moment, so its not hard to imagine them going down and getting 15k supporters in that stadium after a few years in the championship.

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  • Shikasama 6 Dec 2012 11:31:24 6,637 posts
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    Can someone fill me in on why getting the stadium would be 'signing their own death warrant'?

    I don't like it from the I suppose 'moral' point of view, but why does getting a much bigger stadium hurt West Ham? I'm possibly being thick
  • teamHAM 6 Dec 2012 11:32:22 2,773 posts
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    Overheads for a start.

    XBox Live, Origin, PSN and Steam: teamHAM

  • RedSparrows 6 Dec 2012 11:36:12 22,082 posts
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    Didn't Juve downsize?
  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 11:39:40 58,907 posts
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    Just because you have a bigger stadium, it doesnt mean you are going to fill it. If spurs, a well established premier league team with Cl aspirations and a long season ticket waiting list got it, you could reasonably expect them to significantly increase their gates.

    The same cant really be said of west ham unless they start, basically, giving away tickets and hoping the people who turn up eat a lot of burgers.

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  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 11:41:45 86,421 posts
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    Yes, but the question is why would that damage them? How does it hurt to have an empty stadium?

    Overheads is probably the answer yes, but I'm not sure they're really so significantly more.
  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 11:46:14 58,907 posts
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    Overheads and attrition. Who is going to want to go and watch a game of football in a 3/4 empty running stadium with no atmosphere?

    I dunno, it remains to be seen. It probably will do them no harm at all, but it could.

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  • SuperCoolEskimo 6 Dec 2012 11:46:22 9,727 posts
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    West Ham won't get it completely for free, they'll be paying rent to someone or other. Coventry have a similar deal at the Ricoh Arena, I believe they pay the council rent who also take a portion of concessionary revenues too.

    As it is, Coventry yesterday announced they can't afford said rent and are looking for a new ground to play in.
  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 11:48:45 86,421 posts
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    They own the stadium with a 99 year lease on the land.
  • whatfruit 6 Dec 2012 11:50:19 1,309 posts
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    I don't think they are being given the stadium, the stadium was still be owed by the LLDC with west ham getting favourable renting condtions. The annual revenue to the LLDC is to be around 6.5 million a year in rent, sponsership and catering liciencig.

    For the out of season events there is to be a split in the revenues in favour of west ham with the coucil and LLDC.

    personally I would rather see West Ham get shafted, and the Jacksonville Jaguars to move to london.

    Edited by whatfruit at 11:52:10 06-12-2012

    Edited by whatfruit at 11:54:16 06-12-2012
  • The-Bodybuilder 6 Dec 2012 13:52:50 14,077 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    it again was never really designed to punish or limit sugar daddy clubs. It's much more about the Portsmouths and Glasgow Rangers of the world.
    Could you email this to Ivan Gazidis please? Cheers.
  • mcmonkeyplc 6 Dec 2012 13:55:19 39,387 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    I cant see how you can, to be honest, unless you mean football law, which would immediately be challenged in court.
    Leveraged buyouts are illegal in most countries apparently.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • THFourteen 6 Dec 2012 14:02:12 32,884 posts
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    I watch football in a half empty stadium every week. It's fine.
  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 14:25:03 86,421 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    I watch football in a half empty stadium every week. It's fine.
    Are you still sitting in Highbury?
  • askew 6 Dec 2012 14:36:56 12,060 posts
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    He's just peeping into the flats.
  • kentmonkey 6 Dec 2012 14:43:50 20,454 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    I watch football in a half empty stadium every week. It's fine.
    Are you still sitting in Highbury?
    I have less of a problem with the 'half empty stadium' assessment and more of the fact that you think you've been watching football.
  • mikeck 6 Dec 2012 14:54:53 1,905 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    I watch football in a half empty stadium every week. It's fine.
    Are you still sitting in Highbury?
    I have less of a problem with the 'half empty stadium' assessment and more of the fact that you think you've been watching football.
    Swansea played some good stuff there last week ;)
  • kentmonkey 6 Dec 2012 14:59:05 20,454 posts
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    Fair point, well made! :o)
  • Trowel 6 Dec 2012 16:43:35 17,461 posts
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    Football's 2020 European Championship tournament will be held in a number of cities across the continent, Uefa has announced.

    It means there will be no one country hosting the tournament.
    Clowns.
  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 16:50:04 58,907 posts
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    Flip side: If groups are based in a country, theres a better chance of seeing games and travel and accommodation wont be as gougey.

    Theres no chance of us getting a tournament in my lifetime, but I could certainly see us getting a raft of group games.

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  • kalel 6 Dec 2012 16:51:52 86,421 posts
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    How old are you? We could host 2030.
  • nickthegun 6 Dec 2012 16:53:27 58,907 posts
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    Im a big believer in the anti-england conspiracy.

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