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  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2014 16:49:23 18,295 posts
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    Wouldn't a possible solution to blocking an obvious goal scoring opportunity be to award the goal? Everyone is happy in that situation as the goal that should have been scored goes in and then there isn't all the post match argument about whether a player should be sent off or not. Award the goal and book the player who did it. Of course, what actually is a goal scoring opportunity is still a bone of contention.
  • robc84 20 Feb 2014 16:52:14 7,889 posts
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    Problem is, just because it's a clear opportunity, doesn't mean it would be scored. Then there is the problem of defining what is a clear opportunity. I guess that's why it's 'simplified' to the last man rule.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2014 16:53:27
    Any rule we try and make up for what it should be, will have flaws.

    The only real solution is to let the ref judge when it's a red.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2014 16:58:54 18,295 posts
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    robc84 wrote:
    Problem is, just because it's a clear opportunity, doesn't mean it would be scored. Then there is the problem of defining what is a clear opportunity. I guess that's why it's 'simplified' to the last man rule.
    Well, yeah that's true. However if it's a clear goal scoring opportunity and a player stops it then the best punishment is to award the goal. The fairness bias in this situation should go to the team that had the really good chance that was spoiled. That it may or may not have been a goal is somewhat irrelevant as sending a player off for stopping a goal just ruins the game even more than just awarding a goal. Usually it's in the penalty box and usually the goal is scored form the penalty but the rest of the game after that goes to shit.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2014 17:01:59 18,295 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Any rule we try and make up for what it should be, will have flaws.

    The only real solution is to let the ref judge when it's a red.
    They sort of do anyway in certain situations, being a Villa fan I have vivid memories of Vidic not being sent off when he took down Agbonlahor in the first five minutes of the cup final. It's fair enough in some ways but that was outside the box iirc so we didn't even get the penalty. It's a tricky one for sure.

    Of course, it being Agbonlahor he would have probably shinned it into the stand or something anyway.
  • prawnking1980 20 Feb 2014 17:02:47 6,801 posts
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    Clear opportunity

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1986450/ronnie-rosenthal-o.gif
  • IMO 20 Feb 2014 17:03:45 5,955 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    'they' are, apparently reviewing the triple punishment thing this summer.
    My issue is that you've got to give a pen. If you don't give a red card, and the penalty is missed, the defending team have pretty much gotten away with it.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2014 17:06:12 18,295 posts
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    cheeky_prawnking wrote:
    Clear opportunity

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1986450/ronnie-rosenthal-o.gif
    The goalposts should have been sent off.
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2014 17:22:57 72,664 posts
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    robc84 wrote:

    I always thought it was a red for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity rather than being the last man. I know most of the time it's probably the same thing, but not always.
    That's exactly what the rule is. Last man bollocks was dreamt up by Sky
  • prawnking1980 20 Feb 2014 17:52:08 6,801 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    cheeky_prawnking wrote:
    Clear opportunity

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1986450/ronnie-rosenthal-o.gif
    The goalposts should have been sent off.
    I never tire of seeing that miss.
  • mcmonkeyplc 21 Feb 2014 15:26:51 39,893 posts
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    Rooney signs new contract

    AKA that will be 50m please Chelsea.
  • roz123 21 Feb 2014 15:33:33 7,112 posts
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    The only person getting 50m out of that deal is Rooney
  • mikew1985 21 Feb 2014 15:50:40 13,629 posts
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    I'm not sure how I feel about it to be honest :/

    We kind of need to hold on to him at the moment as a statement of sorts but I kind of feel like it might be freeing to the team as a whole to be rid of him.
  • mcmonkeyplc 21 Feb 2014 15:53:21 39,893 posts
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    mikew1985 wrote:
    I'm not sure how I feel about it to be honest :/

    We kind of need to hold on to him at the moment as a statement of sorts but I kind of feel like it might be freeing to the team as a whole to be rid of him.
    I'm of the same opinion. That's why... 50m please anyone apart from a PL club :)

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 15:53:59 21-02-2014
  • vijay_UK 21 Feb 2014 16:06:58 3,232 posts
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    Maybe Moysey feels Rooney behind RVP isn't working, and wants Rooney as his main striker with 3 midfielders* behind him? Ofc there are rumours, but suggests RVP might be off in the summer.

    *crossers
  • oceanmotion 21 Feb 2014 16:08:06 16,405 posts
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    It will be interesting to see his attitude now and especially after the World Cup.

    I think Man U could probably develop better without him but I understand why they wouldn't want him to leave.
  • The-Bodybuilder 21 Feb 2014 17:09:54 14,940 posts
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    Can't imagine many will be in for an aging RVP unless United sell at a significant loss just 2 years into a hefty contract.

    Because if not, then Mata best get used to tracking back and supporting Evra.
  • nickthegun 21 Feb 2014 17:12:05 64,321 posts
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    Its a statement of intent more than anything. If they let their star player go to a club that wins things, it doesnt exactly fill you with confidence about the direction they are going in.
  • Dougs 21 Feb 2014 17:41:13 72,664 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Rooney signs new contract

    AKA that will be 50m please Chelsea.
    Also known as 'we've let ourselves get butt fucked yet again'
  • Syrette 21 Feb 2014 17:56:43 45,508 posts
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    Wonder what Rooney makes a week after tax, including his sponsorship deals and image rights?
  • RightBean 21 Feb 2014 20:28:24 707 posts
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    its only a bit extra as far as the club are concerned, compared to what they could lose without him, they do need him financially
  • MrFlay 21 Feb 2014 21:06:01 1,869 posts
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    A contract-extension would have made more sense. If he declines significantly), they won't be able to sell him at any price with that wage.
  • The-Bodybuilder 21 Feb 2014 21:39:14 14,940 posts
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    They are unlikely to sell him even now. He's no spring chicken.
    This is a final contract.
  • Syrette 21 Feb 2014 21:40:33 45,508 posts
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    He's only 28 mate, still got a good 3-5 years of top level ability left in him.
  • THFourteen 21 Feb 2014 21:42:35 37,027 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    He's only 28 mate, still got a good 3-5 tonnes of pie eating left in him.
  • Deleted user 21 February 2014 21:44:34
    To be fair, rooney is the balls imo.
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