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  • Mr_Sleep 20 Mar 2013 16:09:24 16,921 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    I remember reading somewhere that the whole shirt sales thing is a slight myth, or at least significantly overplayed, but I can't find any numbers to back it up.

    I'm sure it is a myth in regards of Ronaldo paying back the 80 million in shirt sales but if one considers the cost of production versus how much the retail is then I think it's logical to assume there's huge profit there and a large slice goes directly to the club and some to the player. I'm happy to be proved wrong.


    And that goes double for what I'm about to say, as this is really just a gut feeling that I can't support with numbers, but I strongly suspect that Man U's massive revenue over the last twenty years has had more to do with the success Fergie has brought them than anything else. I really do find it very surprising how low is salary is comparatively. And yes, it may well be supplemented with bonuses but still, I'm sure everyone else gets those also.
    I actually entirely agree that Fergie doesn't get paid enough for his contribution but his longevity has seen him be paid a very handsome sum, even if he's probably wasted it all on the horses and cheap wine. Not that means he doesn't deserve parity either. Saying that, presumably one pays a larger rate to protect the employment of that person as the manager, yet Fergie is never going to manage another club so you don't have to worry about another club coming in and tapping him up.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Mr_Sleep 20 Mar 2013 16:13:56 16,921 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    Football is more like having the talent in a business being the most important thing rather than the CEO. Yet the CEO gets treated like any other business, in that he gets sacked when things go wrong and the players hide away.
    I pretty much agree with everything you just said although the abve scenario is not too unusual. Having worked in sales for a few years I comfortably earned more than my bosses in commission and stuff. It's the same in banks and shit as well I think.

    Not to detract from the actual point you were making though, I'm just bored.
    Well it's not a bad situation I suppose, the money going to the people who actually do the work and bring in the revenue is probably the way it should be, to some degree.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • THFourteen 20 Mar 2013 16:41:58 33,096 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    We actually bored the premier league thread into silence
    we haven't done "is suarez racist" for a while
  • Dougs 20 Mar 2013 17:11:26 67,022 posts
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    Gus Poyet is apparently the bookies new favourite for the Reading job. Is that news?
  • Blaketown 20 Mar 2013 17:15:55 4,645 posts
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    It's not news that is relevant to the Premier League Thread.

    At least not for long.

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • TheSaint 20 Mar 2013 17:16:11 14,263 posts
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    He'd be crazy to go there. They have a nice little setup at Brighton, with a decent stadium and a growing fanbase. He probably has more chance of managing a Premier League team next season if he stays where he is.

    I can't really see why he would chuck that in to manage the Wigan of the south.
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 17:20:16 86,787 posts
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    I like Poyet a lot and thought he got a bit of a rough ride at Spurs being attached to Ramos's wagon. Would quite happily see him back again at some point in the future if he continues to prove he's a good manager.

    Reading would be a bad move.
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 17:26:24 6,709 posts
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    Question, does the increase in TV money that kicks in next season affect parachute payment for clubs relegated this season?
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 17:27:44 86,787 posts
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    I believe it does yes.
  • Dougs 20 Mar 2013 17:28:06 67,022 posts
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    Yup, think so.
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 17:35:58 6,709 posts
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    Nice for the other Championship clubs next year then
  • SuperCoolEskimo 20 Mar 2013 17:42:49 9,756 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Question, does the increase in TV money that kicks in next season affect parachute payment for clubs relegated this season?
    Been in the news today: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/championship-clubs-warn-premier-league-over-hike-in-parachute-payments-for-relegated-teams-8541857.html
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 17:49:21 6,709 posts
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    Ah topical. Thanks for that link.

    The parachute payments are bad enough but the idea of Reading, QPR and Villa being given 23 million each next season for being the three worst teams in the league is just amazing.

    Sorry Mr_Sleep
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 17:56:23 86,787 posts
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    It just builds the argument for all players to have rolling one-year contracts for me. Then they can get rid of parachute payments (and transfer windows, and transfer fees).
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 18:02:26 6,709 posts
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    Finally some good news for Liverpool fans - Joe Allen is out for the rest of the season
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 18:03:06 86,787 posts
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    But he's as good as Xavi.
  • ecureuil 20 Mar 2013 21:50:02 76,652 posts
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    Luis Suarez says he would consider offers from Champions League clubs this summer
  • faux_carnation 20 Mar 2013 21:53:05 9,184 posts
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    I wonder what Rodgers would do with 50m.
  • MadCaddy13 20 Mar 2013 22:08:29 1,870 posts
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    Hopefully he'll buy ameobi with most of it
  • Trowel 20 Mar 2013 22:13:14 17,524 posts
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    Be surprised if Bayern aren't in the hunt for him, given Guardiola's brother is his agent (or at least that'll be enough for the Mail to run with for the summer).
  • jamievilla 20 Mar 2013 22:42:57 510 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Ah topical. Thanks for that link.

    The parachute payments are bad enough but the idea of Reading, QPR and Villa being given 23 million each next season for being the three worst teams in the league is just amazing.

    Sorry Mr_Sleep
    Oi! I'd put us above Sunderland as well. So 4th worst..

    It is a ridiculous system "Well done for failing and not having the business sense to protect against the potential to drop down a league - have a pot of cash for being shite."
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 22:45:34 6,709 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    I wonder what Rodgers would do with 50m.
    Buy Nathan Dyer, who is as good as Iniesta.

    Then Laudrup would get some Ukranian fella from the japanese K-League for 20 quid and he'd score more goals than Liverpool's combined midfield.

    Edited by Shikasama at 22:46:16 20-03-2013
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 22:46:02 6,709 posts
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    Also, fair point about Sunderland jamievilla!
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Mar 2013 22:48:52 6,521 posts
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    @jamievilla it's not ridiculous. The gulf in income is so vast that not supporting relegated teams would mean a: relegated clubs would be very likely to go bust, and b: the number of teams who could successfully stay up after promotion would finish as they could not risk new signings. Creating a 17 team PL with 3 rotating teams at the bottom.
  • TheSaint 20 Mar 2013 22:49:29 14,263 posts
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    Historically the parachute payments haven't proven to be that much of an advantage outside of the balance sheet. Every now and then you get a team like West Ham who are willing to risk their financial future trying to bounce straight back but that is quite rare.
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Mar 2013 22:50:42 6,521 posts
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    @TheSaint it's not an advantage for the Chanpionship, but a way of allowing promoted teams to invest without the fear of a total income meltdown if they fail.
  • faux_carnation 20 Mar 2013 22:52:49 9,184 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    faux_carnation wrote:
    I wonder what Rodgers would do with 50m.
    Buy Nathan Dyer, who is as good as Iniesta.

    Then Laudrup would get some Ukranian fella from the japanese K-League for 20 quid and he'd score more goals than Liverpool's combined midfield.
    Sigh. So true.

    I like to think we'd have enough spare change left from buying Dyer to afford Scott Sinclair from City too.
  • Syrette 20 Mar 2013 22:59:23 43,232 posts
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    Who is this 'Scott Sinclair'?

  • puddleduck 20 Mar 2013 23:16:48 1,853 posts
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    Didn't he score an awesome overhead kick for QPR many years ago?

    Oh wait, that was Trevor... Scott? Never heard of him.
  • Ka-blamo 20 Mar 2013 23:26:07 7,306 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    the japanese K-League
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