Can't say I'm surprised to be honest... I don't understand why they ploughed straight in for a rescue, this was always a danger, and it’s not normally the armies policy to be so gun-ho is it?
Looks like the American soldiers exploded that hostage.
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Deckard1 18,110 posts
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Can't say I'm surprised to be honest... I don't understand why they ploughed straight in for a rescue, this was always a danger, and it’s not normally the armies policy to be so gun-ho is it? -
billythekid 10,263 posts
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localnotail 21,457 posts
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Registered 4 years agoAh shite. Poor woman.Playing all the right notes— but not necessarily in the right order.
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oceanmotion 13,172 posts
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Registered 10 years agoUnlucky.
I'm no elite soldier but the last thing I would be throwing about in a hostage situation is a grenade. Stun/flash grenade, yes but I don't think that would be enough to kill the person ?
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Lukey__b 3,725 posts
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Registered 4 years agoWooHoo!!! wrote:
I believe they can kill.
Unlucky.
I'm no elite soldier but the last thing I would be throwing about in a hostage situation is a grenade. Stun/flash grenade, yes but I don't think that would be enough to kill the person ?'Sup, what's guanine?
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Deckard1 18,110 posts
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Stickman 28,533 posts
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Registered 8 years agoWe're always so bloody keen to harp on about the SAS being the best in the world, and then we let the US Army (otherwise known as Collateral Damage Inc.) rescue one of ours. Not sure I'm following that.Quoted
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X201 13,079 posts
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Registered 7 years agoLukey__b wrote:
Flash bangs probably, if you're right on top of them.WooHoo!!! wrote:
I believe they can kill.
Unlucky.
I'm no elite soldier but the last thing I would be throwing about in a hostage situation is a grenade. Stun/flash grenade, yes but I don't think that would be enough to kill the person ?
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X201 13,079 posts
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Registered 7 years agoStickman wrote:
It was a US area and the feeling was that they knew the terrain better.
We're always so bloody keen to harp on about the SAS being the best in the world, and then we let the US Army (otherwise known as Collateral Damage Inc.) rescue one of ours. Not sure I'm following that. -
oceanmotion 13,172 posts
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Registered 10 years agoSAS arguably doing more important things and there isn't a lot of them anyway. It should at least have been British troops but I imagine, stretched thin again and then you have to borrow US gear to get the job done so just let the US get the job done. -
Stickman 28,533 posts
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Registered 8 years agoThe press would have less of a field day if it had been our brave lads who blew her up in the face.Quoted
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phAge 23,888 posts
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Registered 10 years agoX201 wrote:
It's weird because even frag grenades have to be relatively close to the target to kill it (unless she was really unlucky). Seems to me they either didn't know exactly where she was, or got surprised by enemy combatants and panicked.Lukey__b wrote:
Flash bangs probably, if you're right on top of them.WooHoo!!! wrote:
I believe they can kill.
Unlucky.
I'm no elite soldier but the last thing I would be throwing about in a hostage situation is a grenade. Stun/flash grenade, yes but I don't think that would be enough to kill the person ?
This story is about fragmentation grenades though. -
Fake_Blood 2,991 posts
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Registered 4 years agoYeah well, it's all easy to judge from your comfy chair, the reality however might be less black and white than you may think. -
ronuds 20,553 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIt says they acted "based on the intelligence they had received," so my guess is that they didn't know they threw a grenade in her lap. -
RyanDS 7,646 posts
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Aye, intel says she is in the holding room to the northwest, they see 3 armed men in the east room and frag them. Then they see the hostage had been moved recently.
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phAge 23,888 posts
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@ me?
Yeah well, it's all easy to judge from your comfy chair, the reality however might be less black and white than you may think. -
ronuds 20,553 posts
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Registered 7 years agoWhile that's probably how it pretty much went down, you'd still expect them to be a little more careful, imo. -
Lukey__b 3,725 posts
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Registered 4 years agoI have no idea what it would be like to be in that situation, but the reputation of American soldiers is not that great when it comes to killing people they arent really meant to.'Sup, what's guanine?
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Sponz 438 posts
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Registered 9 years agoTo be fair, at least they had a go at a hostage rescue. The reason for the hurried rescue was that there was a risk that the poor woman would've been moved across the border into Pakistan.
Only the rescue team really know what happened there, but they are at least reviewing what happened, as it will help with more training.
And to give the Yanks their dues. If it was Special Forces, it would've been Rangers, Delta, or a Seal team. All of them have extensive training with hostage situations, so I doubt they were panicked. Perhaps they could've done a bit more close recon on the target house, but I'm sure they had their reasons for going in at that time.
Would've preferred the SAS to have gone in though, being a British hostage.
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phAge wrote:
How close is relatively close to you? 5 metres lethal, 15 metres casualty range is quite big to me, big enough that I wouldn't be throwing one in a hostage situation in COD let alone real life.X201 wrote:
It's weird because even frag grenades have to be relatively close to the target to kill it (unless she was really unlucky). Seems to me they either didn't know exactly where she was, or got surprised by enemy combatants and panicked.Lukey__b wrote:
Flash bangs probably, if you're right on top of them.WooHoo!!! wrote:
I believe they can kill.
Unlucky.
I'm no elite soldier but the last thing I would be throwing about in a hostage situation is a grenade. Stun/flash grenade, yes but I don't think that would be enough to kill the person ?
This story is about fragmentation grenades though.
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disusedgenius 4,848 posts
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Registered 6 years agoWell, at least we can recycle all those old 'Americans blew up our *blank*' jokes from the first gulf war... -
phAge 23,888 posts
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Registered 10 years agochimneyleaf wrote:
Last time I threw one it was estimated lethal radius 3 metres - and that is without any obstructions between the grenade and the victim. Frags have very little penetrating power, so you can safely clear a room in a mud/clay/brick building without fear of injuring civilians in adjoining rooms. Obviously that requires you to know exactly where your friends are - which I'm guessing they didn't (but probably thought they did).
How close is relatively close to you? 5 metres lethal, 15 metres casualty range is quite big to me, big enough that I wouldn't be throwing one in a hostage situation in COD let alone real life.
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ronuds 20,553 posts
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Registered 7 years agoSo the frags from Predator, which blew up entire buildings, were exaggerated?
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phAge 23,888 posts
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Registered 10 years agoEver so slightly.
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Easy mistake to make. I know because I'm always killing hostages in Call of Duty, so I feel I'm qualified to talk about this with some authority.
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