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  • teamHAM 11 Dec 2012 13:20:01 2,745 posts
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    BritishBlue1 wrote:
    Thanks to this thread I just ordered Demon Souls and and Dark Souls: Prepare to Die off of Shopto. How long do you reckon it would take to complete them and possibly gain platinum trophies for both?
    With Dark Souls at least, it will depend on your skill, and also how much content you wish to skip in the name of getting platinum quicker. At least two achievements require multiple playthroughs.

    Edit: Read quad's essay :p

    Edited by teamHAM at 13:21:14 11-12-2012

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  • quadfather 11 Dec 2012 13:22:08 11,814 posts
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    And yes, teamHAMs right - do you want to finish them quickly, or do you want to know how long it'd take at a 'standard' pace?

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  • teamHAM 11 Dec 2012 13:22:35 2,745 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    I don't do much pvp, but if you're getting that many souls a pop, you'll get back to a few hundred thousands relatively soon I'd have thought?
    Yeah sod it. I've started some new characters now. Trying a pure faith build now for the giggles.

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  • Big-Swiss 11 Dec 2012 13:37:03 8,076 posts
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    exactly what quad says, plus then there is the BS formula:

    Hours per playtrough times playtroughs, times games.

    100 x 2 x 2 = 400 hours


    well, I just asumed, Demon souls takes about as long as dark souls.

    I'm really going for everything, trying to get all the trophies. It motivates me, that the trophies automatically make me have awesome stuff. so it can be a grind, but not just for the *bling* of the trophy, but also for the cool gameplay-tools you the have.

    So I am close to the end of my first playtrough, and I think I will probably need more or less 100 hours until I can kill gwyn and have pretty much every trophy that is possible in the game.

    I then have to do a second playtrough, and because of the boss weapons, probably even a third. but of course I will be faster on the next playtroughs because I don't need many hours for things I needed in the first playtrough. So I think 200 hours for dark souls is probably correct for the trophy.


    Me for myself, I don't have the goal for the platinum, if it happens goof, if not, oh well, I just want to enjoy the game as long as i do, and also I want to play the dlc, even if there aren't any trophies and stuff, but up until now achieving the trophies was good fun, once that stops and I had enough I will just quit and play something else.
  • Mughes 11 Dec 2012 15:19:37 16 posts
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    @quadfather Thanks chap!

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  • mcmothercruncher 11 Dec 2012 16:53:16 6,426 posts
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    2.5 playthroughs precisely, if you're careful. More if you fuck up, which is likely on your first character.
    Quad's right- Demon's is harder still.
  • SYS64738 11 Dec 2012 18:54:32 1,575 posts
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    You'll be surprised though how quickly you progress through successive playthroughs. They're both games where you gain real skills that make you a better player rather than giving you an edge with better equipment only etc. Very old school, in a good way.
  • Monsieur_Blade 11 Dec 2012 22:39:31 338 posts
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    Completed Halo 4 at the weekend so finally got some time to get back into this. I've just defeated the Moonlight Butterfly boss and I forgot just how good it feels when you achieve something in this game!!

    Not sure where to head next though? Would people suggest going for the Darkroot Basin or am I not ready for that yet? (I've got the Drake Sword and am at level 31).
  • Telepathic.Geometry 11 Dec 2012 23:47:04 11,263 posts
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    @BritishBlue1: I would recommend playing through the game the first time without consulting any guides whatsoever, paying attention only to this spoiler-free advice:

    1) Don't eat the Boss Demon's Souls, save them for conversion to spells/miracles/weapons.
    2) Don't kill any NPCs unless you absolutely have to.
    3) Talk to all of the characters and listen carefully to what they have to say.

    And one slightly spoiler-ish bit of advice: Don't be alive. Every time you are revived, kill yourself in the nexus. You'll find out why later...

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  • Telepathic.Geometry 11 Dec 2012 23:47:33 11,263 posts
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    ^^ This is Demon's Souls advice! ^^

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  • teamHAM 11 Dec 2012 23:55:41 2,745 posts
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    Monsieur_Blade wrote:
    Not sure where to head next though? Would people suggest going for the Darkroot Basin or am I not ready for that yet? (I've got the Drake Sword and am at level 31).
    At Level 31 the first piece of advice I'd give is to get a better weapon.

    In Darkroot Basin there is a Black Knight, some golems, and a giant Hydra. The Knight and golems shouldn't pose too many problems but the Hydra can be frustrating. If you do kill the Hydra there is another golem at the back of the lake and also a ladder by the waterfall which takes you up to the second portion of Darkroot Garden, where Sif is and the Forest Hunters.

    Without knowing where you have been already I will just make some general suggestions. If you haven't done Lower Undead Burg then do that, if you have then do The Depths. Then maybe Darkroot Basin and Sif. Then down into Blighttown.

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  • Big-Swiss 12 Dec 2012 06:39:21 8,076 posts
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    Successfull evening yesterday!
    - seath down, incl. Tail weapon
    - gwedolin down
  • Telepathic.Geometry 12 Dec 2012 06:54:02 11,263 posts
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    /Hurrah

    I found Seath's tail the most stubborn fucker to get. Fortunately I was assisted by a couple of heroes who cut it off for me while I was being raped by Seath...

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  • Big-Swiss 12 Dec 2012 08:22:17 8,076 posts
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    ;)) exactly, I summoned two guys, one was disturbing him, and me and the other guy went for his tale. Then we all 3 went for him, then it was over quickly.
  • mcmothercruncher 12 Dec 2012 08:25:04 6,426 posts
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    Yay, congrats Swiss, good job.
    I live that sword on my magic character, needs upgrading though to be effective twinned with highish int.
    That sword in Demon's Souls used to have a see thru blade and totally ignore shields, it was a beast!

    Got to Anor Londo last night with the no shield character, wasn't looking forward to the archers but, actually, cus I had no choice, I just charged them with a flaming Man Servant sword of death and killed both in two hits :)

    The knight are an issue, they're so quick you can't hit and dodge... have to parry every one of them.... ugh.
  • Big-Swiss 12 Dec 2012 08:38:58 8,076 posts
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    thanks mate

    but If I read what you are doing with no shield, then my progress is chicken shit. ;)
  • quadfather 12 Dec 2012 09:29:06 11,814 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    @BritishBlue1: I would recommend playing through the game the first time without consulting any guides whatsoever, paying attention only to this spoiler-free advice:

    1) Don't eat the Boss Demon's Souls, save them for conversion to spells/miracles/weapons.
    2) Don't kill any NPCs unless you absolutely have to.
    3) Talk to all of the characters and listen carefully to what they have to say.

    And one slightly spoiler-ish bit of advice: Don't be alive. Every time you are revived, kill yourself in the nexus. You'll find out why later...
    extremely good advice!

    psn quaddy456, Dark Souls tips

  • quadfather 12 Dec 2012 09:29:29 11,814 posts
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    mcmothercruncher wrote:
    Yay, congrats Swiss, good job.
    I live that sword on my magic character, needs upgrading though to be effective twinned with highish int.
    That sword in Demon's Souls used to have a see thru blade and totally ignore shields, it was a beast!

    Got to Anor Londo last night with the no shield character, wasn't looking forward to the archers but, actually, cus I had no choice, I just charged them with a flaming Man Servant sword of death and killed both in two hits :)

    The knight are an issue, they're so quick you can't hit and dodge... have to parry every one of them.... ugh.
    I'd never manage this - i'd die too much trying to parry I think

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  • BritishBlue1 12 Dec 2012 09:34:07 128 posts
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    @Telepathic.Geometry

    But what about character build? Someone mentioned it's very easy to build a character that can be severly underpowered compared to others. Should I read some character strategy guides first?

    Oh and I'll be (obviously) playing Demon Souls first.

    Edited by BritishBlue1 at 09:34:43 12-12-2012
  • Monsieur_Blade 12 Dec 2012 09:41:33 338 posts
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    teamHAM wrote:
    Monsieur_Blade wrote:
    Not sure where to head next though? Would people suggest going for the Darkroot Basin or am I not ready for that yet? (I've got the Drake Sword and am at level 31).
    At Level 31 the first piece of advice I'd give is to get a better weapon.

    In Darkroot Basin there is a Black Knight, some golems, and a giant Hydra. The Knight and golems shouldn't pose too many problems but the Hydra can be frustrating. If you do kill the Hydra there is another golem at the back of the lake and also a ladder by the waterfall which takes you up to the second portion of Darkroot Garden, where Sif is and the Forest Hunters.

    Without knowing where you have been already I will just make some general suggestions. If you haven't done Lower Undead Burg then do that, if you have then do The Depths. Then maybe Darkroot Basin and Sif. Then down into Blighttown.
    @teamHAM

    Thanks for the advice its much appreciated (and very much needed!).

    I haven't done either of the lower undead Berg or the depths so I'll head there next. Darkroot basin sounds a bit too scary for now! 
  • Tuffty 12 Dec 2012 10:59:46 1,500 posts
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    Bed of Chaos is a bit of a bastard ain't he/she/it?
  • Puppaz 12 Dec 2012 11:11:43 319 posts
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    I always assume Bed of Chaos is going to kill me at least twice, the actual boss is pretty easy, it's just a couple of moments which probably mean random insta-death.
    Probably the silliest boss for me.
  • quadfather 12 Dec 2012 11:14:52 11,814 posts
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    BritishBlue1 wrote:
    @Telepathic.Geometry

    But what about character build? Someone mentioned it's very easy to build a character that can be severly underpowered compared to others. Should I read some character strategy guides first?

    Oh and I'll be (obviously) playing Demon Souls first.
    Ok, so focusing on Demon's souls -

    Character build.

    How do you want to play? spells? Melee? dexterity? brute force? faith?

    If you want an easy ride, pick a royalty character that starts with a spell. Magic is quite powerful in the game (especially against bosses) and there are a few items/weapons that complement a magic based character.

    However, there are no real weak characters, but you can slightly gimp your character if you try and spread your upgrade points too thin.

    You are better off specialising or combining a couple of attributes, rather than attempt a jack of all trades.

    It's always good to go for endurance and vitality and then maybe 1 more skill. Vitality and Endurance go with anything

    Then you could try experiments - Magic and Dexterity for example go quite well.

    Most weapons scale their damage with specific attributes, normally 1 or 2. For example, an Uchigatana curved sword will fit a dex character perfectly. And will generally more damage than if you were strength based.
    (Once you've upgraded both it, and your Dex skill)

    There are various combinations and various guides. However, I'd suggest that you have a think about how you want to play, and just start a few characters to see which ones you like. Then you can focus on building it in greater detail

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  • quadfather 12 Dec 2012 11:21:18 11,814 posts
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    Fucking Duke's archive! Shithole bastard archers!

    Ripped me a new one on my magic character far too much!

    @MCMothercruncher - I'm still following your plan. Currently up to freeing logan again, and farming the blue golems for chunks. Got enchanted longsword up to 2 or 3 I think and it's very good so far. Int is 33. Attempted blue slab, but was being chased by a golem so obviously spooned it and fell.

    Have made butterfly horn, but not using it yet, as it's not as powerful as the long sword, and the duke's is too annoying at the moment - I'll use it elsewhere when it's easier.

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  • Typhoid 12 Dec 2012 11:50:11 26 posts
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    @BritishBlue1 Without spoiling, id say pick a weapon you like (then again maybe i just lucked out by accidentaly killing an npc early on and getting what works out to be a cool endgame weapon), work out what stat it requires and focus on that + survivability if that becomes an issue
  • L_Franko Moderator 12 Dec 2012 11:54:52 9,694 posts
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    Trying to find my way around the Archives for the first time at the moment. I have opened up the short cut that brings you back to the beginning of the level and access to the outside, which I am guessing will lead onto the Crystal Cave.
    I didn't go find out as I want to finish off the archive first which means finding the boss fight tonight.
  • Seto 12 Dec 2012 12:03:49 671 posts
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    Well, starting to hit a wall on my SL1 pyro, can almost beat little and large in Anor Londo, but can't quite hold it together long enough to defeat the powered up version.

    Tried the 4 kings, and failed miserably. Still enjoying the challenge, this almost makes it feel like you're playing the game for the first time again (due to the difficulty).
  • quadfather 12 Dec 2012 12:03:54 11,814 posts
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    @L_Franko - confusing place isn't it. I am there too, up to my neck being shot at :)

    If you've opened up the shortcut have you already done the first encounter with seath?

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  • mcmothercruncher 12 Dec 2012 12:09:20 6,426 posts
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    Cool Quad. The Butterfly Horn (and the Moonlight Sword unfortunately) really need to be up at +4 +5 sadly. I suppose they are slightly low on base damage because you can boost them so directly with your Int stat to make up for it (eventually).
    I really do like the horn just for the incredible reach. So many times you can turtle up behind a good shield and thwack stuff from afar with it. In fact, it seems to have a good half metre of reach beyond the actual polygons themselves. They're worth splunking the titanite on... it's just painful to do it :)
    I beat Seath and then spent time at that bonfire with high item finding doodah and farmed the shells with pyro. Got a good couple of pieces per run and it's super quick.

    Great advice from Quad, Blue, pick a "type" (strength focussed, magic focussed, dexterity focussed) get the best weapon that works with it and stick to boosting that stat, alongside health and endurance. Can't go too far wrong there.

    I'd perhaps add that, depending on how much time you've got to play, it might be worth checking the wiki. HOLD ON EVERYONE ;)
    Not prior to playing through a level for the first time, but perhaps afterwards. If you've got loads of time to try various ways through a level and to think about the mechanics of the game and hints you're getting from dialogue etc, then perhaps you won't need to. But if you need to snatch shorter bits of time with which to play it might get frustrating repeatedly trying and failing when a quick check of the wiki can answer a question for you. You just don't want to do it the first time so that you don't spoil the surprises.

    I can spoil one thing for you right now though- you'll be seeing "you died" a lot :D
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