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  • Dougs 4 Feb 2013 11:41:09 64,910 posts
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    Stickman wrote:

    I remember watching a program a while back where they had a team from each sport playing a game of each against each other. The rugby guys got creamed. Like, absolutely smeared all over.
    Drugs, m'kay. I actually couldn't give much of a shit either way....sure I'd appreciate AF more if it wasn't so stop-start and go on for half a year. Which is odd given I love cricket.
  • sport 4 Feb 2013 11:45:43 12,046 posts
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    Stickman wrote:
    Dougs wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    says the man who's just watched 4 series of friday night lights :-P
    Ach, the football side is an irrelevance. Haven't got a clue what is going on half the time. Other than they're all big jessies who should try rugby - the hits without the pads.
    I remember watching a program a while back where they had a team from each sport playing a game of each against each other. The rugby guys got creamed. Like, absolutely smeared all over.
    Tackles in rugby and NFL are completely different. You can't shoulder barge in rugby - you have to get your arms around which makes the initially "hit" alot softer and for good reason too. Most blokes would be floored if they didn't have pads.
  • captbirdseye 4 Feb 2013 11:47:04 4,344 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    says the man who's just watched 4 series of friday night lights :-P
    Ach, the football side is an irrelevance. Haven't got a clue what is going on half the time. Other than they're all big jessies who should try rugby - the hits without the pads.
    You can't even compare the two as the hits from an AF football player are on a much higher scale what with the pace of the game and the size of the guys hitting you. Rugby has slowly got rid of the majority of decent tackles these days.

    The reason they added pads and helmets etc is because people were being killed in the sports infancy.

    Edited by captbirdseye at 11:48:05 04-02-2013
  • fletch7100 4 Feb 2013 11:52:17 6,176 posts
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    Plus with the brain damage scandal with ex AF players happening again

    4,000 ex players in the latest lawsuit against NFL I believe
  • Humperfunk 4 Feb 2013 12:14:04 1,606 posts
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    Comparing NFL and Rugby is mental. They wear pads etc because they're prime athletes throwing themselves into any kind of tackle.as heavy yet faster and stronger that Rugby players. In Rugby it's like watching a couple of fatties bumping into each other at the EG expo by comparison.

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  • sport 4 Feb 2013 12:32:05 12,046 posts
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    Humperfunk wrote:
    Comparing NFL and Rugby is mental. They wear pads etc because they're prime athletes throwing themselves into any kind of tackle.as heavy yet faster and stronger that Rugby players. In Rugby it's like watching a couple of fatties bumping into each other at the EG expo by comparison.
    Your first sentence is correct. The rest of your post is total tripe.
  • fletch7100 4 Feb 2013 12:38:50 6,176 posts
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    Both sports are physically tough in their own rights. Rugby players on the pitch for the whole match etc. then again AF players have to run around with the extra weight of the padding.

    AF could learn from rugby for properly wrapping up someone in a open field tackle instead of the big hit for the highlight reel. Has been raised many times over the last few years that the overall standard of open field tackling has been declining.
  • Tryhard 4 Feb 2013 14:10:13 3,485 posts
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    I have played both,the best way to explain it is you tackle people in Rugby,you run through people in AF.It is a completely different mindset.

    The best way to explain playing as a defender is put a motorbike leather jacket and helmet on and run at a garage door 20 times.Now if you are a running back you are that garage door with 3-5 people running at you with helmet and pads.
  • Feanor 4 Feb 2013 14:12:08 13,921 posts
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    fletch7100 wrote:
    Both sports are physically tough in their own rights. Rugby players on the pitch for the whole match etc. then again AF players have to run around with the extra weight of the padding.

    AF could learn from rugby for properly wrapping up someone in a open field tackle instead of the big hit for the highlight reel. Has been raised many times over the last few years that the overall standard of open field tackling has been declining.
    It has been, but the reward for causing a fumble and recovering it are so high compared to rugby that you can understand why NFL defenders go for the big hit so often.
  • Feanor 4 Feb 2013 14:13:35 13,921 posts
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    Humperfunk wrote:
    Comparing NFL and Rugby is mental. They wear pads etc because they're prime athletes throwing themselves into any kind of tackle.as heavy yet faster and stronger that Rugby players. In Rugby it's like watching a couple of fatties bumping into each other at the EG expo by comparison.
    You should watch some Jerry Collins tackles on youtube.
  • Kostabi 4 Feb 2013 14:20:47 4,665 posts
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    It's always silly comparing the two, the athletes are built for very different jobs so when they smash into each other the results are obviously very different.

    If rugby had rolling substitutes then they'd be the size of football players and would inevitably have padding, but playing 80 minutes trumps the need for a explosive 30 second murder spree you'd get from a linebacker over a game
  • fletch7100 4 Feb 2013 14:31:27 6,176 posts
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    The problem with going for the big hit All the time is missing the tackle and the other player making a mug of you, most times for a large gain or TD. Prime example was one of Baltimores TDs last night. Just do the simple thing instead of the high flying circus act he tried and got made to look a mug on national tv
  • Dougs 4 Feb 2013 14:32:21 64,910 posts
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    That's that can of worms opened. :)
  • Tryhard 4 Feb 2013 15:49:24 3,485 posts
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    The Ravens D have always gone for the big hit it is just the way they are.
    Yes, it means that a receiver is going to get big yards if he catches the ball.But it also gives that receiver alligator arms.Meaning are they going to stretch out and give up their body for the ball over the middle.The great ones will,everyone else starts to hear footsteps,or looks for the defender before securing the ball.Putting doubt in a receivers mind is half the battle.

    Also the speed of the NFL you just cannot fathom unless you stand on the sideline.You have angles,whether to tackle low or high.Tackle big backs low,and you could get a knee in the head,or bounce off their thighs or hurdle you.Go high and watch them stiff arm you,or run straight through you.Or the great backs turn on a dime and make you grab air,all at 100mph with bodies flying all around.

    The perfect tackle is to run full speed,break down into a wide leg stance,wrap up,with your head blocking the direction the target is moving.
    And lift the person off their feet,and dump them on their back.But that rarely happens straight up facing each other.
  • nickthegun 4 Feb 2013 15:51:44 55,866 posts
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    Tryhard wrote:
    The Ravens D
    lol

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    He totally called it

  • Deleted user 4 February 2013 21:13:24
    Noooooooo 49ers lost :(

    I got all excited in the 4th really looked like they had it. All came down to the 49ers final drive, 1st and goal and couldn't do it.

    49ers better team if you take away a couple of silly moves.

    Fair play to ravens though, great team.
  • Deleted user 4 February 2013 21:19:24
    No call on the holding on 49ers 4 and goal play???? Bastards.
  • andytheadequate 4 Feb 2013 22:41:13 7,957 posts
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    AF and rugby league have huge collisions, rugby union is a bunch of fatties having a cuddle in comparison. The ball handler can run harder in AF and RL as they don't have to worry about turning to recycle the ball in the ruck. If a union player runs flat out and doesn't do this then he's more likely to lose possession the following ruck.

    The other obvious difference between the sports is that AF is very specialised and requires little stamina compared to both rugbys. AF players never have to tackle or run when knackered, as the game is very stop start.

    Rugby league has very little in the way of scrums and no mauls so the forwards are designed for speed, strength and agility. The 10 metre offside rule also means the collisions are bigger as both sides have a run up to each other.

    Rugby union forwards are less athletic as they need to specialise in the set pieces. The front row are scrimmaging experts, and the second row line out specialists. The role of rugby union forwards is almost like that of the line of scrimmage in AF

    Edited by andytheadequate at 22:46:05 04-02-2013
  • Deleted user 4 February 2013 22:42:53
    Basically they are all super hard. End of.
  • andytheadequate 4 Feb 2013 22:47:23 7,957 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    Basically they are all super hard. End of.
    Indeed, but in different ways.

    The padding in AF just means the collisions are harder. When you are hit that hard it will hurt, regardless of whether you have a helmet on.
  • thelzdking 4 Feb 2013 22:56:11 3,962 posts
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    Amazing touchdown after half-time, although I had to go to sleep straight after. As such I took the power cut as something of a sign. Sounds like I should've stayed up though.

    As for half-time although the stage show itself was remarkable Beyonce's performance was (unsurprisingly) horrendous. The only worthwhile part was the Destiny's Child medley. Beyonce is a truly awful singer: technically flawless but musically moribund.

    Edited by thelzdking at 23:10:35 04-02-2013
  • andytheadequate 4 Feb 2013 23:02:07 7,957 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    Amazing touchdown after half time, although I had to go to sleep straight after. As such I took the power cut as something of a sign. Sounds like I should've stayed up though.

    As for half-time although the stage show itself was remarkable Beyonce's performance was (unsurprisingly) horrendous. The only worthwhile part was the Destiny's Child medley. Beyonce is a truly awful singer: technically flawless but musically moribund.
    Likewise, I really wish it was on a Saturday night. After 5 minutes of the power cut I also decided to go to bed.

    I also missed the amazing td at first, was still reading from the terrible half time singing and didn't look up on time...
  • fletch7100 5 Feb 2013 05:23:11 6,176 posts
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    I agree with big hits whilst in traffic, or with the receiver about to catch a pass. It's the open field tackling I'm talking about .

    It's not exactly a new topic


    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/08/poor_tackling_has_become_a_tou.html

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3680254
  • Deleted user 5 February 2013 08:31:00
    Yeah I see your point, there were a lot of terrible tackles. Also 49ers missed two sacks because the player was so focused on killing the qb that they half missed and qb got away, if they just went to get him on the ground with no fancy business.
  • Tryhard 5 Feb 2013 10:32:31 3,485 posts
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    108.4 million, 70% watched the Superbowl in the states making it the third highest viewed program in US history.
  • andytheadequate 5 Feb 2013 11:02:36 7,957 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    Yeah I see your point, there were a lot of terrible tackles. Also 49ers missed two sacks because the player was so focused on killing the qb that they half missed and qb got away, if they just went to get him on the ground with no fancy business.
    My theory with them missing big hits is that when they dip to make a tackle, their helmet makes them lose sight of the runner, so any footwork at the last minute can make them misstime it.

    Also, the missed tackle before half time where the ravens player got up and scored, surely that was just the defender jumping to intecept, not him trying to make a big tackle
  • Deleted user 5 February 2013 11:06:33
    Yeah but there were two 49ers there, the second one should have tackled. I don't know what he was doing
  • andytheadequate 5 Feb 2013 12:11:25 7,957 posts
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    Yeah, not sure what he was doing. I'm guessing he thought the guy was going to catch it and keep running. When I watched the replay it looked like he very nearly touched him but just missed. It was very poor defence really, but good thinking by the attacker
  • ronuds 5 Feb 2013 15:29:49 21,788 posts
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    The DB jumped over the receiver to avoid tripping. Jones left to his own devices with an open field against a safety is no contest.
  • Deleted user 5 February 2013 15:37:46
    If I was a big muscles man I would for sure want to play middle line backer. Would be so much fun.
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