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  • Rodpad 11 Jul 2014 07:58:31 1,923 posts
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    Logitech do very good speakers indeed. I've been using the X-230 speakers for 7 years now and I've never felt the need to replace them. Amazing sound from quality heavy speakers.
  • -cerberus- 11 Jul 2014 13:05:53 2,945 posts
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    Very happy with Logitech speakers as well. I'm using the Z523 (workstation) and the X530, got them both really cheap!

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  • Ivefoundgod 17 Jul 2014 12:18:02 563 posts
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    So I'm looking to jump back into PC gamimg but am completely out of touch with pretty much everything to do with it. Am going to build a pc for the first time so I've been going by the Digital Foundry next gen PC build as a starting point. I don't really need the latest games like BF4 to run ridiculously well or fast because I'm more into games like Civ 5, FM 2014 plus I've a lot of older pc games I've never played to work through. So based on that I've come up with this; Only difference from the DF PC build is the graphics card. I'd like to bring the price down to under 400 ideally so if anyone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it greatly:

    -Gigabyte AMD R9 270 OC 2GB 256-Bit DDR5 WF2 PCI-E Graphics Card
    -Gigabyte SKT-AM3 78LMT-USB3 Motherboard
    -AMD FX6300 Black Edition 6 Core (3.5/4.1GHz, 8MB Level 3 Cache, 6MB Level 2 Cache, Socket AM3+, 95W, Retail Boxed)
    -HyperX 8 GB 1600 MHz CL9 DDR3 HyperX Beast Desktop Memory Kit (2 x 4GB) - Intel XMP
    -Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
    -Gigabyte GZ-MA02 4-in-1 Kit M-ATX Case
  • PearOfAnguish 17 Jul 2014 13:00:24 7,323 posts
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    Gigabyte hardware is shite, go for Asus, MSI or ASRock. The MSI Twin Frozr graphics cards are beautiful, they run very very quiet.

    AMD processors run hot and performance is balls. Get an Intel i5 if your budget can reach it, otherwise an i3. Couple it with a H97 motherboard, doesn't need to be anything fancy pants, just make sure it's got the basics you need (sufficient ports etc) and don't bother getting anything with extras like SLI/Crossfire unless you know you're going that route.

    RAM heatsinks, they do nothing, except get in the way. Get the cheapest you can find from any of the reasonable brands (Crucial, Kingston, Corsair etc) and if it comes with a pointless heatsink bauble, bonus.

    Don't bother with the Seagate hard drive, Western Digital Blue 1TB is only a few quid more on Amazon. SSD is not realistic at your budget but worth considering for the future, they make a big difference.

    The case kit seems like good value but as a general rule avoid bundled PSUs. At a cursory look I couldn't find any details on it, and a PSU is something that's worth spending money on, not only do shit models often lie about their wattage but if it goes bang you could wave goodbye to the rest of the system. Watts aren't that important, but you should aim for 450-550W PSU from a quality brand like Seasonic or Antec.

    Case is worth spending on too as it can last and there's a lot to be said about ease of building (you also don't want something that's a rattly noise maker). That said you don't really lose much from going budget on that, second hand off Ebay or Gumtree can be good.

    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 13:08:37 17-07-2014
  • Mr_Sleep 17 Jul 2014 13:07:47 17,095 posts
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    @PearOfAnguish Never had any problem with Gigabyte myself, how come do you consider their stuff to be shite?

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  • Ivefoundgod 17 Jul 2014 13:10:16 563 posts
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    Thanks for the tips about Gigabyte hardware, I was choosing them purely because of DF. If I stretched to the i5 am I likely to see a major boost in performance to the i3? I'm kinda aiming for performance of a PS4/XBONE.
  • PearOfAnguish 17 Jul 2014 13:12:49 7,323 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    @PearOfAnguish Never had any problem with Gigabyte myself, how come do you consider their stuff to be shite?
    They've got a rep for shitty quality, cutting costs on their mobos by using lower quality parts and materials. Personally I've not had a Gigabyte component that hasn't been a pain in the arse or ended up faulty. Maybe their GPUs are okay but I see no good reason to go for them over Asus or MSI.
  • PearOfAnguish 17 Jul 2014 13:14:43 7,323 posts
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    Ivefoundgod wrote:
    Thanks for the tips about Gigabyte hardware, I was choosing them purely because of DF. If I stretched to the i5 am I likely to see a major boost in performance to the i3? I'm kinda aiming for performance of a PS4/XBONE.
    Google around and read some comparison reviews to see the difference. The i5 is a great CPU and can last a long time, I've had mine for several years and can't see that it'll need upgrading any time soon. The i3 is decent for the price though, so if money is tight it's not a bad choice. It's definitely better than AMD as well.

    edit: actually considering the games you're playing it might be worth looking at the performance for stuff like Civ and FM. I'm not that familiar with them but it would not surprise me to find out they're CPU-intensive, in which case an i5 could well help.

    You didn't mention what resolution screen you're using? I assumed no bigger than 1080p.

    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 13:17:47 17-07-2014
  • Ivefoundgod 17 Jul 2014 13:20:05 563 posts
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    Yeah I'm having a read up now thanks. It'd be nice to be future proofed a bit so maybe the i5 seems worth it in that respect plus no harm in improved performance any way.

    Yeah 1080p would be the limit. Is it possible to connect a PC built like this to a TV via HDMI? Sorry for the noob questions.
  • PearOfAnguish 17 Jul 2014 13:23:11 7,323 posts
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    Yeah, HDMI is standard on graphics cards so you just plug it in and you're done. Even better, they now have onboard sound chips so you don't need to fuck about with separate audio cables, it all just gets piped over the HDMI (just make sure to install the audio part of the video driver).
  • Ranger_Ryu 17 Jul 2014 13:33:39 1,069 posts
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    So planning on upgrading my graphics card,was looking at the GTX 750 Ti,only thing I'm concerned about is whether the thing will work (never upgraded a PC before) currently have a GT 420.So does anyone know if it should work? I read it's only 10w more power than a GT 420
  • PearOfAnguish 17 Jul 2014 13:44:07 7,323 posts
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    What's your system spec? Provided it will physically fit there's not likely to be a problem. Power shouldn't be an issue unless your PSU is utter toilet and you've got it stacked to the brim with additional hardware, only thing to check is whether there's a spare power cable if the GPU needs it (I don't believe the stock 750 Ti does however those deviating further from the reference design may).

    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 13:50:15 17-07-2014
  • FAULTYCAPSLOCK 17 Jul 2014 20:35:43 4 posts
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    Long time lurker (very long) 1st time poster
    I'm looking to buy a pre built budget gaming pc, my budget is 450-600. I'm guessing a pc priced between those will run games as good as a ps4/x1?
    I know absolutely nothing about computers so building my own isn't an option.
    I was looking at getting something from PC Specialist but have no idea if the components I am selecting are good and if they're worth the price they're charging.
    Don't want to get anything second hand, I want a warranty.
    I already have a monitor, mouse and keyboard.
    If anyone has any suggestions
  • Bowzer43 17 Jul 2014 22:22:23 254 posts
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    @FAULTYCAPSLOCK look up freshtech solutions limited on either Amazon or ebay. They have a huge range of pc's and use quality parts.
    You will be able to find something in your budget equal or better than ps4 /xbone.
    I bought from them a couple of months ago and can't fault them, other than it took a week to ship, but guess they build to order so that's no bad thing.
  • drhickman1983 17 Jul 2014 22:29:57 345 posts
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    I'm using the AMD FX6300 and I haven't noticed any performance I'd call balls.
  • Ranger_Ryu 17 Jul 2014 22:59:46 1,069 posts
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    @PearOfAnguish

    core i5 2300,6 gig ram.this is what I'm planning on getting whenever it drops below 100 again
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-GeForce-Graphics-GDDR5-PCI-Express/dp/B00ICUGOP0/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1405634343&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+750+ti
  • PearOfAnguish 18 Jul 2014 09:16:16 7,323 posts
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    @Ranger_Ryu

    Try this instead: http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-1085MHz-1163MHz-DL-DVI-D-Graphics/dp/B00I602S92/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1405671271&sr=1-1&keywords=msi+750+ti

    Same price, but slightly higher clocks and a really good fan setup. I don't think it needs a separate power cable either.

    drhickman1983 wrote:
    I'm using the AMD FX6300 and I haven't noticed any performance I'd call balls.
    I was being hyperbolic. But, they run hotter and slower so unless you're on a really tight budget or have a major hankering for the days when AMD was the nuts, Intel CPUs are better.

    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 09:22:20 18-07-2014
  • PearOfAnguish 18 Jul 2014 09:37:49 7,323 posts
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    FAULTYCAPSLOCK wrote:
    Long time lurker (very long) 1st time poster
    I'm looking to buy a pre built budget gaming pc, my budget is 450-600. I'm guessing a pc priced between those will run games as good as a ps4/x1?
    I know absolutely nothing about computers so building my own isn't an option.
    I was looking at getting something from PC Specialist but have no idea if the components I am selecting are good and if they're worth the price they're charging.
    Don't want to get anything second hand, I want a warranty.
    I already have a monitor, mouse and keyboard.
    If anyone has any suggestions
    Do you need a monitor?

    For 563 at PC Specialist you could get an Intel i5, 8GB RAM, NVIDIA 750 Ti, 1TB HDD and 450W PSU, plus Windows 8.1.

    If you, uh, acquire the OS yourself and drop the CD/DVD drive (not needed if you're new to PC gaming unless you're gonna want to burn DVDs or play old games) it comes in at 470, at which point you could put more cash into some other areas, like an SSD (531 with a Samsung 840 Evo 120GB) or a better graphics card (589 for the above without SSD but with NVIDIA 770, or 555 with an AMD R9 280).

    Have a look at other places to see how prices compare, but PCS do have a really good rep. If you call them up they can advise you on a build within your budget.
  • Ranger_Ryu 18 Jul 2014 14:57:43 1,069 posts
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    @PearOfAnguish

    ok thanks,will take a gander.
  • FAULTYCAPSLOCK 18 Jul 2014 21:56:05 4 posts
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    Thanks for the help PearOFAnguish
    I'm on pc specialist now, this is what I've selected

    Lowest 14 case
    Processor - Intel core i5 quad core processor i5-4460 (3.2ghz) 6mb cache
    Motherboard - Asus h81m-plus micro-atx, lg1150, usb 3.0, sata 6gbs
    Memory (ram) - 8gb Kingston dual-ddr3 1600mhz (1x8gb)
    Graphics card - 2gb NVIDIA geforce gtx 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3d vision ready
    Hard disk - 500gb 3.5 sata-III 6gb/s HDD 7200rpm 16mb cache
    Power supply - corsair 450w vs series vs-450 power supply
    Processor cooling - Intel standard car cooler
    Extra case fans - 1x12cm black case fan

    This comes in at 615 but I found a voucher for 15 off that hopefully works
    This is without an operating system, how easy is it to put windows 8 on? I'm guessing I could find it cheaper than the 79 they charge but would I have go through getting all the drivers for the components? (does not know what I'm talking about)

    How would this cope with the latest games? Is there anything that I should think about changing?
  • -cerberus- 18 Jul 2014 22:08:30 2,945 posts
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    @FAULTYCAPSLOCK I would highly recommend getting a SSD for your OS. Some say 60GB is enough, I'd personally go for 120GB as they're relatively cheap nowadays and you could very much use the extra space to install other programs. But my main argument is speed; Windows (and other programs) will start up in mere seconds!

    Regarding the drivers: I'd suggest downloading the latest ones (motherboard & GPU) from Asus' & Nvidia's website onto a USB drive. Install them accordingly after OS installation.

    And finally, rest assured, you will have a very satisfactory gaming experience with that system!

    Edited by -cerberus- at 22:19:08 18-07-2014

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  • FAULTYCAPSLOCK 18 Jul 2014 22:23:57 4 posts
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    @-cerberus- does an SSD effect the way games run? Since I bought an ipad (2 weeks ago) I haven't turned on my computer once, all I used it for was browsing. My new system will used for gaming and not much else.
    On pc specialist adding a Samsung 120gb SSD adds 58 to the price, I guess I could pick up one down the line if needed.
  • drhickman1983 18 Jul 2014 23:28:02 345 posts
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    PearOfAnguish wrote:
    drhickman1983 wrote:
    I'm using the AMD FX6300 and I haven't noticed any performance I'd call balls.
    I was being hyperbolic. But, they run hotter and slower so unless you're on a really tight budget or have a major hankering for the days when AMD was the nuts, Intel CPUs are better.
    I'd agree, but if your on a budget the AMD processors are decent enough. Calling them outright bad (or balls) is a little harsh is all.
  • -cerberus- 18 Jul 2014 23:48:45 2,945 posts
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    @FAULTYCAPSLOCK The speed benefits that come with a SSD are enormous. Installing, deleting and loading times of virtually any type of program or application will be lightning fast, but it won't affect game performance; meaning you won't get a better framerate or anything like that, that's not what SSD's are for. My advice is to definitely use the SSD as a primary drive for Windows & programs, use a regular HDD for games and other data.
    EDIT: Actually, since you're using this system for gaming only, another option is to ditch the HDD altogether and get a larger (and admittedly more expensive) SSD and partition it for the sake of convenience. Samsung 840 EVO 500GB is an excellent choice!

    Edited by -cerberus- at 00:00:36 19-07-2014

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  • PenguinJim 19 Jul 2014 03:13:57 5,875 posts
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    SSDs can have a massive effect on game loading times, but not always. I'd get an SSD now if possible, to save you from having to reinstall Windows if you get one in future. (Windows is much snappier from an SSD)

    That's a good spec. Crazy how the 600 i5/770 PC has been a consistent recommendation since the end of last year.
  • Phattso Moderator 19 Jul 2014 04:44:24 13,351 posts
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    Any game with serious texture streaming benefits from an SSD too. Obvious candidates are things like iD's RAGE but any of the Unreal games have a similar low-res initial texture that resolves to full detail over time. With an SSD you never see the low-res texture.

    But frankly it's worth it for the loading times. Hell, my machine boots to a usable desktop faster than my TV can turn on. :)
  • Bowzer43 19 Jul 2014 10:05:20 254 posts
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    Yep I recommend ssd drives as well. You can pick up 256GB ones for around 80 and perfect for Windows installation. I have gone all ssd in my gaming rig and the performance gains are fantastic.
  • LockeTribal 19 Jul 2014 12:58:34 4,516 posts
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    Folks, need a bit of help. Came home from holidays and turned on the computer to get hard drive failure warnings. Ran disk check and came out clear, ran SeaTools and it's coming up with "SMART has been Tripped!!!"

    Is that the end of that drive then? Any hope for it at all?
  • Fake_Blood 19 Jul 2014 13:06:20 4,221 posts
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    It's probably on it's way out, but I'm thinking that since it's hot it may be a temperature sensor doing funny things?
  • Fake_Blood 19 Jul 2014 13:08:28 4,221 posts
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    If it boots there's ways to read out the smart data, but you'll have to google that.
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