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  • Roddles 28 Nov 2013 11:19:14 1,830 posts
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    Hello 6 month old conversation which everybody, common sense and benchmarked evidence disagreed with.

    I'd recommend drawing a line after this post and simply ignoring any advice he has to say in this thread.
  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 11:37:26
    @Roddles

    Well that hardware I bought has risen in price in those 6months and more software is utilising the performance, as will be the continued trend. The motherboard has had firmware updates supporting faster memory and the latest top-end pro consumer CPUs for lower power or higher overclocking, so the argument continues to working in my favour. Even tom's hardware are beginning to back-track on the 180 CPU diminishing return mantra.

    Your advice is fine for the time being, but it isn't so good if you're expected to give good advice that is proven to be correct years later, when everything is tallied up.
  • Buztafen 28 Nov 2013 11:38:17 16,156 posts
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    Here's what i got upgrading from a Q6600 setup (prices are what i paid at the time) if it helps:-

    i5-4670K 169
    16gb Crucial Elite Ram 100
    MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming Motherboard 140
    Corsair 300R Case 45
    Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD 130
    Win 8 upgraded to 8.1 15
    MSI GTX 770 2GB 230

    Total = 829 Minus approx 260 from sale of old pc parts = 569

    I reused a 2TB Hard drive, my CPU Cooler and my 850w PSU.

    That's not strictly budget and i didnt really need some of the higher end parts to get the same performance but that setup runs games such as the free ones that came with the GPU (Ass Creed 4, Batman Origins, Splinter Cell) at 60fps with settings way past what these next gen consoles are capable of...for a little extra outlay of course. ;)

    This post goes completely against what vizzitron 5000 is saying. Take from that what you will...

    Edited by Buztafen at 11:45:08 28-11-2013
  • heavy_salad 28 Nov 2013 11:51:58 720 posts
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    Thanks for all the advice so far guys. As I said, I can go above 500 if I need to, but ideally I'd like to keep around that amount (I appreciate it probably leaves me fairly limited as to getting a significant upgrade over what I have, which is why I was happy to go for a moderate upgrade now, if it gave me the option to easily upgrade in the future). Although perhaps this isn't really feasible? Is there likely to be new mobo sockets soon? Or would I be fairly safe getting a mobo with the latest socket, with a moderate CPU and upgrade in the future?
  • Bremenacht 28 Nov 2013 11:56:45 17,777 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    This post goes completely against what vizzitron 5000 is saying. Take from that what you will...
    I'll take your advice over that of the nasty chimp who eats his own poo, thank you very much.
  • Buztafen 28 Nov 2013 12:06:02 16,156 posts
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    heavy_salad, go for something like this...in my opinion:-

    i5-4670 non-overclocking processor 140ish, saves 10-20 over K version
    H87 mobo 70, saves 30+ over Z87
    8gb 1600mhz ram 50
    120gb SSD 70

    Total = 330

    Reuse as much as you can from your old pc such as case, OS, HD's, PSU and sell the rest then get the best GPU you can afford such as 760, R9 270X (180ish)for good 1080p gaming or 770/R9 280X (250ish) for great 1080p.

    Should, perform somewhere close to my setup where it matters and last you a few years. Again, all IMO.

    Edited by Buztafen at 12:10:08 28-11-2013
  • Buztafen 28 Nov 2013 12:11:56 16,156 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Buztafen wrote:
    This post goes completely against what vizzitron 5000 is saying. Take from that what you will...
    I'll take your advice over that of the nasty chimp who eats his own poo, thank you very much.
    :) Cheers Brem.
  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 12:24:38
    heavy_salad wrote:
    Thanks for all the advice so far guys. As I said, I can go above 500 if I need to, but ideally I'd like to keep around that amount (I appreciate it probably leaves me fairly limited as to getting a significant upgrade over what I have, which is why I was happy to go for a moderate upgrade now, if it gave me the option to easily upgrade in the future). Although perhaps this isn't really feasible? Is there likely to be new mobo sockets soon? Or would I be fairly safe getting a mobo with the latest socket, with a moderate CPU and upgrade in the future?
    That is the million dollar question imo. The hybrid processors in all three of the next-gen systems all suggest that the heterogeneous unified memory architecture (bandwidth advantages) is going to see a big and rapid change in the entry level(celeron) PC game space and may equally leave LGA2011 deprecated for PC gaming. But I suspect the CPU and SLI options through LGA2011 provides enough advantages(bandwidth) that it will have a sufficiently long life.

    Intel always seem sensitive to keeping their top tier customers happy with upgrade paths and would likely produce a hUMA type CPU for LGA2011 sockets, or release a coprocessor style designed pcie card (similar to the Xeon Phi) that worked with LGA2011 systems to allow those customer time to fully upgrade to a full hUMA desktop solution.

    In the Celeron space a two CPU or two year cycle(iirc) seems about normal before they make the product completely obsolete.
  • MMMarmite 28 Nov 2013 12:25:54 1,014 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    heavy_salad, go for something like this...in my opinion:-

    i5-4670 non-overclocking processor 140ish, saves 10-20 over K version
    H87 mobo 70, saves 30+ over Z87
    8gb 1600mhz ram 50
    120gb SSD 70

    Total = 330

    Reuse as much as you can from your old pc such as case, OS, HD's, PSU and sell the rest then get the best GPU you can afford such as 760, R9 270X (180ish)for good 1080p gaming or 770/R9 280X (250ish) for great 1080p.

    Should, perform somewhere close to my setup where it matters and last you a few years. Again, all IMO.
    Yep, this is pretty much what I suggested before Viz interrupted with his Celeron crap. You can get the MSI Z87-G43 for around 80 if you ever want to overclock (but you'd also need a K suffixed processor) otherwise a cheaper H87 will do the job just fine.

    The socket is due to change in 2015 with the introduction of new processors but that's inevitable no matter which motherboard you buy.
  • Moot_Point 28 Nov 2013 12:28:57 3,982 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    heavy_salad wrote:
    Thanks for all the advice so far guys. As I said, I can go above 500 if I need to, but ideally I'd like to keep around that amount (I appreciate it probably leaves me fairly limited as to getting a significant upgrade over what I have, which is why I was happy to go for a moderate upgrade now, if it gave me the option to easily upgrade in the future). Although perhaps this isn't really feasible? Is there likely to be new mobo sockets soon? Or would I be fairly safe getting a mobo with the latest socket, with a moderate CPU and upgrade in the future?
    That is the million dollar question imo. The hybrid processors in all three of the next-gen systems all suggest that the heterogeneous unified memory architecture (bandwidth advantages) is going to see a big and rapid change in the entry level(celeron) PC game space and may equally leave LGA2011 deprecated for PC gaming. But I suspect the CPU and SLI options through LGA2011 provides enough advantages(bandwidth) that it will have a sufficiently long life.

    Intel always seem sensitive to keeping their top tier customers happy with upgrade paths and would likely produce a hUMA type CPU for LGA2011 sockets, or release a coprocessor style designed pcie card (similar to the Xeon Phi) that worked with LGA2011 systems to allow those customer time to fully upgrade to a full hUMA desktop solution.

    In the Celeron space a two CPU or two year cycle(iirc) seems about normal before they make the product completely obsolete.

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  • Buztafen 28 Nov 2013 12:47:50 16,156 posts
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    Hang on, i completely bypassed the fact that vizzini was recommending a LGA2011 socket setup for gaming in a budget pc thread.

    That's an impressive amount of crazy right there. Bravo sir!
  • heavy_salad 28 Nov 2013 12:57:31 720 posts
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    MMMarmite wrote:
    Buztafen wrote:
    heavy_salad, go for something like this...in my opinion:-

    i5-4670 non-overclocking processor 140ish, saves 10-20 over K version
    H87 mobo 70, saves 30+ over Z87
    8gb 1600mhz ram 50
    120gb SSD 70

    Total = 330

    Reuse as much as you can from your old pc such as case, OS, HD's, PSU and sell the rest then get the best GPU you can afford such as 760, R9 270X (180ish)for good 1080p gaming or 770/R9 280X (250ish) for great 1080p.

    Should, perform somewhere close to my setup where it matters and last you a few years. Again, all IMO.
    Yep, this is pretty much what I suggested before Viz interrupted with his Celeron crap. You can get the MSI Z87-G43 for around 80 if you ever want to overclock (but you'd also need a K suffixed processor) otherwise a cheaper H87 will do the job just fine.

    The socket is due to change in 2015 with the introduction of new processors but that's inevitable no matter which motherboard you buy.
    Thanks. I'll look into something along those lines.
  • LockeTribal 2 Dec 2013 10:31:27 4,512 posts
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    So I bought an SSD last week in the Amazon sales but I probably won't get around to installing it until after Christmas. I was wondering what's the best way to go about installing it?

    I've seen guides on migrating my current Windows 7 install over to it but could I just do a fresh Win7 installation on the SSD and then restore a backup on to it?
  • Gartt 2 Dec 2013 12:50:01 1,735 posts
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    Fresh install all the way, can you not just back up all your essentials and start completely fresh?
  • LockeTribal 2 Dec 2013 13:40:12 4,512 posts
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    Yeah I can do just that. I'm sure there's plenty of shite I've installed, used once and promptly forgotten about so be good to be rid of all that too. Cheers Gartt.
  • cujo101 2 Dec 2013 18:01:19 3 posts
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    Looking to build a budget PC for around the 400 mark and have this setup in mind:

    CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor 85
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard 40
    Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory 50
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM 45
    Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card 115
    Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 Case 30
    Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 35

    Total: 400

    Edited by cujo101 at 18:02:03 02-12-2013
  • BillMurray 2 Dec 2013 19:45:23 7,700 posts
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    Any decent Cyber Monday deals spotted today? I've been thinking about upgrading my PSU and video card if there's any good deals about.

    I'm pretty happy with my system (AMD Phenom II X6 1055T, AMD Radeon 6800 series, 12gb RAM) but if there's so bargains to be had then I could be tempted.
  • Gartt 2 Dec 2013 23:22:56 1,735 posts
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    Overclockers had some nice deals on PSUs but they finished at midday, 20+ savings on Corsairs RM series of PSUs.

    Been keeping my eyes peeled for GPU deals but have so far come up short (only really looking for 770 and 780s though.)
  • TVoJ 3 Dec 2013 14:07:24 1,857 posts
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    Been asked to build a system for a mates parents. They do a bit of gaming but nothing top end.

    Budget 400 - I thought I'd go for an APU as they don't play the tippy top games and a mobo that can take an extra 2 ram chips should they need it in the future. If they need a boost to graphics they can always get a cheapish GPU to crossfire.

    Scan basket

    Looking to order this latest tomorrow so just looking for any advice without complicating this to much.

    Edited by TVoJ at 14:08:12 03-12-2013
  • TVoJ 3 Dec 2013 22:31:27 1,857 posts
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    Quick bump before I buy
  • Gartt 4 Dec 2013 00:32:38 1,735 posts
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    Any real need for 2133mhz ram? Save 20 and go for 1600mhz imo.

    *edit* ah integrated graphics, fair enough

    Edited by Gartt at 00:38:51 04-12-2013
  • StixxUK 5 Dec 2013 10:48:08 7,244 posts
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    Hey guys, I'm looking at upgrading the most aged parts of my PC which are the mobo, cpu and ram.

    Thinking of a new case as well as I'm quite up for going SFF.

    I need something that will make the most of my radeon 7870 without spending more than I have to (but no strictly defined budget). I have a SSD and I think my PSU should be well up to the task (Corsair 650w although it is 5 years old... guess this needs to go if I'm SFFing).

    Any ideas much appreciated!
  • TVoJ 5 Dec 2013 20:18:50 1,857 posts
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    @StixxUK

    What's your budget pal?
  • StixxUK 6 Dec 2013 09:35:27 7,244 posts
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    @TVoJ nothing strictly set... just not overkill. Up to 400 maybe, but preferably way less. I was thinking probably closer to the 300 mark.

    If I can run stuff at 1080p I'll be happy.
  • FutileResistor 6 Dec 2013 10:46:25 1,226 posts
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    @StixxUK

    If you want to overclock, you can get an i5-4670K at amazon for 166, which is a good price. One of the budget Asus, Gigabyte or MSI Z87 motherboards for 70 to 90 and 8GB Corsair Vengeance 2133MHz RAM for 53.49. That's ridiculously cheap, cheaper than most 1600MHz budget RAM. Which would be around 300 for the lot.

    Or you could get one of the locked Haswell i5s and a B85 board and shave another 50 to 70 off compared to the Z87 option.

    In practice any i5 is fine at stock and there is little need to overclock an i5 for gaming.
  • StixxUK 6 Dec 2013 10:59:49 7,244 posts
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    @FutileResistor thanks very much, I probably won't overclock... all looks good, seems I should be able to get away with spending well under what I had anticipated.

    How are the stock CPU coolers these days? Particularly on noise...
  • StixxUK 6 Dec 2013 13:27:12 7,244 posts
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    Hmm the k and the standard seem to be about the same price on Amazon... Seems like it might be worth going for the k regardless!
  • Gartt 6 Dec 2013 13:39:21 1,735 posts
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    Stock cooler is fine, Ive had no issues with it, dont find it particularly noisy. I am going to replace mine at some point when I feel the need to overclock. (bought the K just to have the option there).
  • heavy_salad 11 Dec 2013 22:29:02 720 posts
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    Started getting the parts together for my (not very) budget build.

    Got an i5-4670k for ~150 on Amazon, a MSI Z87-G45 mobo for 120 and 8gb of RAM for I think 60.

    Going to re-use my PSU (which is fairly new) and probably HDD and SSD (although it's only 32gb so might have to plump for a 120gb now they're quite cheap) and probably the DVD drive too.

    Will probably need a new case and then I'm thinking of sticking with my HD6850 for a little while and see how it goes - although I'm thinking that may hold me back significantly?
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