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  • RobTheBuilder 16 Dec 2012 21:19:40 6,521 posts
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    @spudsbuckley I thought the 7850 2gb was better than the 660 for the same price? Or am I thinking of the wrong card?
  • FutileResistor 17 Dec 2012 07:27:17 1,220 posts
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    monkehhh wrote:
    Currently got a GTX260 that runs most modern stuff fine with a little dipping of some settings, though it's having some issues with powering up (and I'm looking to upgrade my screen from a paltry 1366x768, which will need more juice).

    So, what's a good mid-range Nvidia card that's as quiet as possible? Any experiences of various makes?
    If you are moving up to 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, I would go for the Radeon 7850. The 1GB version can be found for about 130 and the 2GB version around 150.

    If you insist on Nvidia, the GTX660 would be Nvidia's direct competitor. Unfortunately, Nvidia are pretty much terrible value across the board for current gen cards. I don't think there's a price competitive Nvidia card at any price point just now.

    GTX 660 v Radeon 7850

    The 7850 beats the GTX 660 by quite a lot in some games but is typically about 20 to 40 cheaper if you compare the 2GB version of the 7850.

    There is no 1GB version of the 660 but if you're gaming at 1920x1200 or below, there doesn't seem to be much benefit from the 2GB version of the 7850 in current games.

    Club3D 7850 Review

    If you're looking for quiet cards, I've always found Asus Direct CU and MSI TwinFrozr cards are very quiet and cool. Otherwise you'll have to look at individual reviews.
  • FutileResistor 17 Dec 2012 08:19:52 1,220 posts
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    So how much would it cost me to build a system that would play the witcher 2 at a decent 24 inch high res resolution?
    RobTheBuilder wrote:

    Not 100% up on resolutions but I'd have thought that an i5 with that 7850 2gb would be more than fine. Which would prob be around the 700 mark.

    I'd expect anything with an i3/i5 and a decent card (so prob 450 or over) would play it at a good resolution, but you'd have to lower details at the lower end.
    Good advice.

    24inch monitors are going to be either 1920x1080 or 1920x1200. So 7850 would be great. Ignoring ubersampling, you can build a to run Witcher 2 at highest settings at those resolutions for under 400.

    Gigabyte B75M-D3V Motherboard 49
    Intel i3-3220 CPU 90
    Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix RAM 15
    Decent Generic Case16
    Corsair CX430 V2 PSU 36
    Seagate 1TB Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s 64MB 7200RPM HDD 55

    I make that 261, leaving 139 to select a Radeon 7850 from this page, all of which come with free downloads for Sleeping Dogs, Dirt Showdown and Farcry 3.

    Also note that DEC10 gets you 10 off 199 and DEC25 gets you 25 off 399 at Dabs until December 21.
  • Widge Moderator 20 Dec 2012 11:24:01 13,257 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    monkehhh wrote:

    GTX 660 v Radeon 7850

    The 7850 beats the GTX 660 by quite a lot in some games but is typically about 20 to 40 cheaper if you compare the 2GB version of the 7850.
    Isn't that the wrong way round? Looking inside and based on my research, I got the 660 as it performed better and quieter.

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  • Widge Moderator 20 Dec 2012 11:28:25 13,257 posts
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    spudsbuckley wrote:

    GFX card
    I have that exact card. The silence of the thing is outstanding. Only thing that makes it think is Metro 2033 (@ 1080p)... and part of me wonders if some of that could be CPU based.

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  • Deleted user 20 December 2012 13:02:09
    @FutileResistor somehow completely missed your post. So that will play witcher 2on high and thus I assume bf3, fc3 etc. The same? You've just stopped me buying a wiiu today...
  • FutileResistor 20 Dec 2012 19:17:15 1,220 posts
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    Widge wrote:
    FutileResistor wrote:
    monkehhh wrote:

    GTX 660 v Radeon 7850

    The 7850 beats the GTX 660 by quite a lot in some games but is typically about 20 to 40 cheaper if you compare the 2GB version of the 7850.
    Isn't that the wrong way round? Looking inside and based on my research, I got the 660 as it performed better and quieter.
    Oops sorry. I've been recommending overclocking the 7850 so routinely now, that I forgot that at stock it is beaten by the 660.

    This doesn't change my recommendation of the 7850 over the 660, since my recommendation is based on the price and overclockability of the 7850. A 30% overclock seems to be pretty much guaranteed with most people getting more than that. Some people are getting ridiculous overclocks.

    If the cards were the same price I would recommend the 660, but in the UK as I explained above, the price differential between these two cards means that it is difficult to recommend the 660. You can get the 1GB version of the card for about 130. At 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 or below, it will perform and overclock pretty much exactly the same as the 2GB version.
  • FutileResistor 20 Dec 2012 19:54:28 1,220 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    @FutileResistor somehow completely missed your post. So that will play witcher 2on high and thus I assume bf3, fc3 etc. The same? You've just stopped me buying a wiiu today...
    You should get at least 40fps at 1080p 4XAA before overclocking.

    Also, if you use SweetFx or Inject SMAA for anti aliasing you should get 60fps plus before overclocking.
  • zisssou 21 Dec 2012 20:00:03 587 posts
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    Can someone give me a bit of advice..

    At the moment I've got a q660 2.4ghz, p5k pro and recently upgraded my graphics card(well start of the year) to a eah6850. I'm obviously not getting the best out of my graphics card, even if it's slightly old, but from what I read a decent budget graphics card.

    Now I want to upgrade my motherboard/processor. I've been looking around at an i5-3750 3.4ghz and a p8z77-v lx. Just wondering if I'd be doing the right thing in upgrading to these?

    In the back of my mind I'm thinking whether I should go a bit better and future proof a bit more, so I can then upgrade my graphics card at a later stage..

    Edited by zisssou at 20:02:20 21-12-2012
  • FutileResistor 21 Dec 2012 20:48:35 1,220 posts
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    You should be fine if you can overclock your q6600 to 3GHz by rasing the FSB.

    There are loads of guides if you google.
  • zisssou 21 Dec 2012 21:19:36 587 posts
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    I have been tempted in the past, but I've always avoided it because I'd probably balls it up..
  • monkehhh 21 Dec 2012 21:22:42 3,267 posts
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    @FutileResistor Cheers, I also missed your post.. I'm forgetful and rely on the reply notification @ thingy :) I'll do a little brushing up before I get in to buying, but that's a useful starting point.
  • Iain815 24 Dec 2012 21:12:38 405 posts
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    Okay, I'm fed up waiting. Over a month ago my R7850 started acting up, I've sent it back to SCAN for RMA. They tested it a few days later, came up with no faults, even though I originally said that stress testing doesn't force it to crash (it literally is random). I politely asked them to test it again, with less stress testing and more general use for a day. A week with no reply I emailed them again, they replied two days later saying "they'll pass it on to the testing team". That was nearly 2 bloody weeks ago now.

    Bottom line is, I'm bored out of my fucking mind and I've decided to just get a new one. If SCAN do decide to finally replace my old one I'll just sell it on. Though to reduce risk of the fault being a compatibility problem, I'd like a slightly different card this time. Anyone know any cards similar in price and power to my old one? This caught my eye.

    Edited by Iain815 at 21:27:46 24-12-2012
  • Iain815 24 Dec 2012 23:28:21 405 posts
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    @rodpad I've ruled out nearly everything possible. RAM, PSU, CPU, M'Board, HDD all working fine. It originally started with blue screens (no text, just a blank blue screen. No errors or anything in the logs) on Windows 8. Wiped it and went back to Windows 7. Problem still occurred. Reformatted and installed Windows again, still happened. These folks are having near identical problems with a similar card from MSI.

    I agree that it sounds like a driver issue, but I've tried older drivers, original CD driver, latest driver, beta driver. Same problem.

    I'm willing to accept it may not be faulty, but it is unlikely and would prefer them to test the shit out of it, rather than just leaving it on stress testing for a couple of hours

    Edited by Iain815 at 23:34:19 24-12-2012
  • Iain815 25 Dec 2012 02:19:53 405 posts
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    rodpad wrote:
    I imagine you'll run into the same problem with another 7850 to be honest, especially if they weren't able to reproduce the problem with your existing card.

    Good luck though!
    Funnily enough I just checked the RMA status and they've updated it. "Ran Netflix, youtube, a MKV and ATI tools for 8 hours with no problems". Can't complain, I guess that really does mean there's something wrong on my end. Still haven't got a single clue what though. It worked fine for nearly 2 months. I doubt it's a BIOS problem because I'm fairly certain I never changed anything before it started doing it. Even flashed it to the latest version.

    The only possible thing I can think of left that I don't recall trying is that I'm using the DVI port with a VGA adapter. Maybe something dodgy with the port? But that theory just sounds silly.

    Fuck it, if I can't get it going when I get it back, I'll just sell it on. So to bring it back to topic, anyone know of a similar card?.

    Update: Wow, turns out I maybe onto something with that theory actually. Different card but "I would get a blue screen (no error code) and the computer would completely stall". I best ask SCAN what port they tested it with.

    Edited by Iain815 at 02:37:39 25-12-2012
  • superdelphinus 25 Dec 2012 15:19:16 8,016 posts
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    Gtx 680 for 300 at pcworld at the moment
  • Globbits 31 Dec 2012 13:16:05 47 posts
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    Afternoon all,

    My Corsair CX600V2 PSU has died and I'm currently looking for a replacement. I don't know a fat lot about this stuff, so I was hoping to get some advice. Basically, I was wondering if there was any benefit to getting a different type/make of PSU to allow for future upgrades to my computer (main specs below). I'm not really planning on running two graphics cards, so the only things i'm looking at upgrading immediately are the RAM and putting in an SSD (which I severely doubt will mean a big increase the power usage!)

    Having a (part?) modular supply appeals because it would keep things a bit tidier inside the tower. Length of cables is also something I'm a bit concerned about.

    Motherboard: Asus P8P67M-Pro
    Processor: i5 2500K
    RAM: 4Gb Corsair XMS3 (1x4Gb)
    Graphics card: ATI 6850
    HD: bog standard 1TB SATA drive (forget the make and specs)
    Case: Xigmatek Midguard

    Thanks in advance
  • RobTheBuilder 31 Dec 2012 13:40:57 6,521 posts
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    @Globbits definitely definitely go for a good make of PSU. Cheap ones can be very poor indeed.
    Search google for pc power usage calculator and it will recommend what level you should use.
  • Progguitarist 2 Jan 2013 12:44:45 10,400 posts
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    Is this a good card for the price?
  • nedsnurb 6 Jan 2013 09:13:54 15 posts
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    Hi Guys,

    Just looking for a bit of advice really, I have been given a quote for a new PC build through a contact at work, which is as follows:

    Antec Three Hundred ATX MID Tower Gamer Case No PSU

    OCZ 550W PSU - FATAL1TY - SLI READY, 80-PLUS BRONZE, EZMOD CABLE, 3YR POWERSWAP

    Intel Core i5-3570K Quad Core, 1155, 3.4 GHZ, 0.22NM, Ivy Bridge, HD GFX, 6MB

    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO, LGA1155, Z77, ATX, PCIE3.0, 4D3 2600, SATA6G, RAID, USB3, WIFI

    Kingston HyperX 8GB Kit (2 x 4GB) 1600MHz (PC3-12800) DDR3 CL9 DIMM Memory Kit

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" SATA3 6GBS 64MB Cache, 7200rpm Internal HDD

    Kingston HYPERX 3K 120GB 2.5" SATA3 SSD

    Samsung DVD Re-Writer, SATA, 24X, Black, OEM, No Software

    CLUB 3D RADEON HD7950 ROYAL KING, 3GB GDDR5, 930MHZ BOOST, PCIE3, HDMI, with free Games

    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, with Service Pack 1, OEM DVD

    Sweex CR005V3-OEM Card Reader 3.5" Internal Black

    TP-LINK (TL-WN881ND) 300MBPS WIRELESS PCI-EXPRESS ADAPTOR, 2 DETACH ANT, LPB

    Logitech MK120 Desktop Kit, USB

    1st Year Collect and Return Warranty Parts and Labour, 2nd and 3rd Year Return to Base Labour Only Warranty

    Now I have been quoted 853.00 for the entire build or 768.00 for the components, but given I'v never self built I am leaning towards the pre-built.

    Just wondering if this looks a decent spec for the price, and if any components would need changing?
  • Maturin 6 Jan 2013 09:42:31 2,889 posts
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    It's a good spec but there are places you can shave off some money without reducing performance.

    For example just get the V version of that motherboard, it's very good indeed, and much cheaper than the Pro model.

    You also don't need a Wifi card as the Asus motherboard has built in wifi and comes with an antenna.

    Edited by Maturin at 09:43:19 06-01-2013
  • superdelphinus 6 Jan 2013 09:48:17 8,016 posts
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    Seems a good lot of stuff for the price to me
  • gman7714 6 Jan 2013 10:48:24 281 posts
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    I'm no expert but seems a good spec for the price to me. I built my first pc last April and it's piss easy to be honest. Just have a quick read up on it first and have access to the Internet while building just in case anything you are not sure of crops up.

    This is the guide I used but there are plenty around including one in the forums here on EG
    http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/pc-building/

    Edited by gman7714 at 11:11:45 06-01-2013
  • Clive_Dunn 6 Jan 2013 11:31:49 4,775 posts
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    Don't forget to get an aftermarket CPU cooler if you are going for the 3570k. The intel fan only just copes at stock clocks.
  • nedsnurb 6 Jan 2013 13:11:23 15 posts
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    Cheers for the all the input guys, do you foresee any issues with that PSU, is 550W enough?
  • superdelphinus 6 Jan 2013 13:16:54 8,016 posts
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    Should be but you may want to cut back on a bit of the other stuff (cheaper motherboard etc) and get a bit more grunt in case you need it
  • nickthegun 6 Jan 2013 13:18:04 58,782 posts
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    Get a 1000w one or it may explode.

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