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  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Apr 2013 14:41:23 25,430 posts
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    Dominating from Vettel. Impressive stuff.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Apr 2013 14:44:44 25,430 posts
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    StarchildHypocrethes wrote:
    I think today's race has been the strongest argument yet against DRS. People have been catching and passing without it quite easily and the first couple of laps of defensive driving and overtakes was great.

    The tires add enough tactical variation to make things close/interesting anyway, and DRS is just far too powerful on top.
    I'm bumping this from the bottom of the last page because it was such an amazingly insightful post it deserves not to get lost.
  • superdelphinus 21 Apr 2013 14:45:32 8,035 posts
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    Easy for vettel. Shame Hamilton had that penalty, could well have been on the podium from 4th. Unlucky red guys. Perez was funny all race
  • El_MUERkO 21 Apr 2013 14:51:52 16,956 posts
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    Great work from Lotus today, loads of great driving up and down the field.
  • superdelphinus 21 Apr 2013 14:52:55 8,035 posts
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    Yeah was a race where you could clearly see why most of these are the best in the world
  • Kostabi 21 Apr 2013 15:00:51 4,878 posts
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    StarchildHypocrethes wrote:
    StarchildHypocrethes wrote:
    I think today's race has been the strongest argument yet against DRS. People have been catching and passing without it quite easily and the first couple of laps of defensive driving and overtakes was great.

    The tires add enough tactical variation to make things close/interesting anyway, and DRS is just far too powerful on top.
    I'm bumping this from the bottom of the last page because it was such an amazingly insightful post it deserves not to get lost.
    I came on to post a similar thought.

    The best racing today was outside of the DRS. As ever, give the guys a track that allows passing and repassing and they'll just get on with it.

    Stable rules and avoiding dull as shit tracks isn't rocket science.
  • Psychotext 21 Apr 2013 15:08:38 53,855 posts
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    Good race aside from right at the front (other than the first couple of laps). I think Alonso's problems robbed us of a race there.
  • shamblemonkee 21 Apr 2013 15:09:54 14,277 posts
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    and now back to touring car and later MotoGP. whoop sunday \o/
  • PatrickEwing 21 Apr 2013 15:24:13 2,127 posts
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    What time is the motogp race?
  • shamblemonkee 21 Apr 2013 15:30:35 14,277 posts
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    1930 on BBC3 and online
  • Nth 21 Apr 2013 15:37:22 3,119 posts
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    Vettel drove well today. See, I can say it. Impressive stuff from Lotus again too, Kimi only 10 points behind Vettel and Lewis is third! A shame that Alonso wasn't there through no fault of his own.
  • Nth 21 Apr 2013 15:39:16 3,119 posts
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    Surely they can experiment with DRS, i.e. changing the size of the gap created when it opens? Would a gap half the height halve the speed advantage gained or is that too simplistic?
  • shamblemonkee 21 Apr 2013 15:41:00 14,277 posts
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    The teams already approach the slot in different ways with some creating a shallower one than others.

    They could mess with the length of the actual DRS zones like they did in previous years.

    I'd rather they just got rid of it.
  • superdelphinus 21 Apr 2013 15:43:21 8,035 posts
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    Alonso seems to be paying for his often outrageous good fortune last season
  • Psychotext 21 Apr 2013 15:43:29 53,855 posts
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    Nth wrote:
    Vettel drove well today. See, I can say it.
    /checks forehead
  • Psychotext 21 Apr 2013 15:43:48 53,855 posts
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    /grabs ice from freezer

    :D
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Apr 2013 15:46:20 25,430 posts
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    I choked on my sandwich when I saw that :)
  • Deleted user 21 April 2013 18:10:00
    Thought that was a great race.

    Also i felt the DRS wasn't as bad as it was in china. I felt drivers still had to do work.

    It was also a fucking bizarre race. The mclarens looked great today, and then just dissapeared. Hamilton looked like he just about get a point, but then suddenly his car came alive. And alonso without DRS just came back through the field.

    Some top top racing today as well.
  • Robes 21 Apr 2013 18:20:34 149 posts
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    What a great race. I think we saw some drivers really show their qualities today.

    I think Perez had a great race despite being overly aggressive. I'd imagine McLaren are pretty happy with that showing regardless of the contact with Button.

    Di Resta drove a really mature race, a shame he couldn't quite get the podium but it looks like Scotland may finally have another decent driver.

    Hamilton, I don't understand how he got 5th, that Mercedes seemed to be going backwards all race so a good showing.

    Alonso did well to get back to eighth, a real shame he had the DRS problems. I'm really surprised that DRS still isn't being questioned as a safety risk. It's so dangerous when the flap remains open like that.

    The two Lotus' were both great too. Good stuff all round!

    Edited by Robes at 18:32:43 21-04-2013
  • superdelphinus 21 Apr 2013 18:25:53 8,035 posts
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    Has there actually been any accidents when the wing has stayed open though? I could imagine it becomes an awful lot more difficult to drive, but it would be obvious immediately and you'd just slow down
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Apr 2013 18:30:53 25,430 posts
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    It would only be obvious when the back end suddenly decides not to stick though, which would be slightly dangerous.
  • Robes 21 Apr 2013 18:31:31 149 posts
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    Why would it be obvious? You're driving in a straight line, it'd only be apparent when turning.

    But I don't think the fact that it hasn't yet caused an accident to be a good debating point to be honest.
  • Psychotext 21 Apr 2013 18:41:22 53,855 posts
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    It would be apparent the millisecond you put your foot on the brake. The drag differential compared to what you expected would be MASSIVE.

    Biggest risk would be on a fast sweeping corner with no braking, but very unlikely to find one of those after a DRS straight.
  • Robes 21 Apr 2013 18:48:54 149 posts
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    I'd say by the time you're braking it's quite likely going to be too late and it could be quite devastating depending on the circumstances.
  • Robes 21 Apr 2013 18:49:54 149 posts
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    I remember when Brundle used to talk about rear wing failure, he said that the drivers don't know about it until the moment they turn the wheel.

    Edited by Robes at 18:52:28 21-04-2013
  • Psychotext 21 Apr 2013 18:53:41 53,855 posts
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    Robes wrote:
    I'd say by the time you're braking it's quite likely going to be too late and it could be quite devastating depending on the circumstances.
    Not really unless you had brake failure too. You wouldn't be hitting the apex, but remember, this isn't rear wing failure, you're losing about 30% downforce, not all of it.

    You probably wouldn't make the corner if you panicked (and turned whilst braking) but you'd likely make it OK otherwise. Only exception to that rule I can think of would be at Monaco... but that has an escape area on the first corner anyway.

    Edited by Psychotext at 18:54:58 21-04-2013
  • Robes 21 Apr 2013 19:00:17 149 posts
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    When you're using DRS normally there is a car side by side with you, so a failure could potentially be very damaging.

    It's just my opinion anyway. I don't like DRS both for the safety aspect and the artificial nature of overtaking it has brought.
  • shamblemonkee 21 Apr 2013 19:28:44 14,277 posts
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    Drs is only dangerous if open in a fast corner entry.

    It is a risk for increasing closing speeds.

    However neither of those are common.
  • SaucyGeoff 21 Apr 2013 23:10:06 2,560 posts
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    Nth wrote:
    A shame that Alonso wasn't there through no fault of his own.
    Wonder if he'll be bollocking the pit crew. Should probably identified the DRS was fucked at the first stop. It was the second stop a lap later that really cost him. Otherwise he'd have been in the mix with Kimi, Grosjean and Di Resta.
  • mal 21 Apr 2013 23:55:17 22,341 posts
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    As I understand it, the DRS flap simply overshot the normal stop and got stuck by it. Unless they could understand why it had overshot in that five second pit stop (which I've not heard they've figured out even yet), he's no right to question them about it. That said, I'm sure pre-Ferrari Alonso would have given the team a bollocking regardless.

    Re DRS safety, I was surprised Alonso didn't even appear to oversteer at all when he put the power back on with that wing stuck open first time. Granted, it was Alonso driving, but still, the car didn't even flinch. I really can't see DRS being dangerous after that.

    Edited by mal at 23:55:58 21-04-2013

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

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