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  • Razz 18 Mar 2008 13:37:36 61,202 posts
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    If you dare learn tab I'll hunt you down and kill you. :)

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  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 13:49:24 17,064 posts
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    Ciaran wrote:
    Also check out Justin's site. Lots of valuable lessons for beginners on there, including youtube video lessons for both technique and songs, and he's quite fun to watch.

    Heh, I was just looking for that link, he's a friend of a friend actually.

    All good advice so far, I learned on a classical guitar as I much preferred the sound of it to steel string. I've always been interested in a latin style anyway so it suits my purpose.

    I feel the most important part of learning how to play is the strumming hand, everyone gets hung up on chords but they're only effective if one can put the correct rhythmic impetus and the correct style into effect.

    So yeah, learn three chords and practice them over and over until you develop your strum and rhythm and then move on to more chords. Also, it's always worth dropping a beat, so say your playing four notes in a bar of four or something, drop the last beat as that'll give you time to shape the next chord, it's a lot more satisfying than missing the first beat on the next chord.

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  • lost_soul 18 Mar 2008 14:00:47 9,369 posts
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    Definitely get a tuner. And get someone to help tune it the first time.

    I've given trying to learn on two occasions simply because I couldn't get the guitar set up correctly :-/

    /is hoping it'll be third time lucky
  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 14:19:53
    Others have said, but I will say it again... Learning guitar is hard and requires a firm commitment. So if your going to go for it, get into a correct mind set.

    My best advice to start is to take some lessons from a reputable teacher, someone who will teach and correct proper playing technique. Without good technique you are either a) doomed to fail. Or b) mediocre player at best. (Never mind carpal tunnel...)

    Next, be ready for the pain... Your fingertips will get sore, and your hands may get a little sore. Fingertips always get sore, and it is something your need to work through... (Tough it out), but if your hands (knuckles/wrists) get sore, TAKE A BREAK and look at your technique.

    Practice scales... Period! Boring as hell and requires fierce dedication, but will pay off big time.

    Jam with anyone you can... It will force you to play, learn new chords, and make you keep up.

    Lastly, if you set the guitar down for a while, don't take it as failure, come back to it when youíre ready. If you hang in there the guitar will start to call to you to pick it up, and that is when things really take off.

    Good Luck and keep on rockiní in the free world!
    Cheers
  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 14:20:32
    Fat Boy wrote:
    As a ten year veteran and all round guitar god, please, for the love of all that is holy, learn on an acoustic first. I'll repeat that:

    LEARN. ON. AN. ACOUSTIC. FIRST.

    I know people who would be able to convince you that they were brilliant guitarists because they can solo like motherfuckers, but ask them to strum a tune and they're fucked. This is because they went straight to an electric and didn't learn the basics first. Now it's too late and they'll never be able to start playing in a different style.

    +1
  • Mageme 18 Mar 2008 14:25:14 2,015 posts
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    bcolter wrote:
    Next, be ready for the pain... Your fingertips will get sore, and your hands may get a little sore. Fingertips always get sore, and it is something your need to work through...

    Yes, I'm definitely going through that at the moment!!! =( Maybe it'll get better if calluses develop!

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  • Skeptopotamus 18 Mar 2008 14:28:50 265 posts
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    Practice scales... Period! Boring as hell and requires fierce dedication, but will pay off big time.

    Jam with anyone you can... It will force you to play, learn new chords, and make you keep up.

    +arbitrary number
  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 14:29:06
    Mageme wrote:
    bcolter wrote:
    Next, be ready for the pain... Your fingertips will get sore, and your hands may get a little sore. Fingertips always get sore, and it is something your need to work through...

    Yes, I'm definitely going through that at the moment!!! =( Maybe it'll get better if calluses develop!

    It will, hang in there. Also be aware of the tension in your hand... Many players use the "death grip", and this will kill your fingertips very quickly. Use only enough pressure on the string as you need.
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 14:32:56 17,064 posts
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    lost_soul wrote:
    Definitely get a tuner. And get someone to help tune it the first time.

    I've given trying to learn on two occasions simply because I couldn't get the guitar set up correctly :-/

    /is hoping it'll be third time lucky

    Important thing to remember is that you can tune the guitar to itself, so in theory you're out of tune with classical pitch or something but you can still play the chords and wouldn't notice the difference playing on your own.

    But, yeah, tuning was the single most annoying thing for me when I was learning the guitar. It just took ages, now I can practically tune by ear, though it's always a little flat of classical pitch.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 14:35:17
    Best Scale Book Ever!
  • klanger13 18 Mar 2008 14:38:27 61 posts
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    Important thing to remember is to enjoy it. That way its not practising, its enjoying. Great thing about music is - and most musicians won't agree - there are no right or wrong answers. Just what you like and don't. How greats that!

    To aid that enjoyment, it can be helpful to learn on acoustic, and or get a teacher but neither are a necessity. Just make noise you enjoy!
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 14:56:25 17,064 posts
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    klanger13 wrote:
    Just make noise you enjoy!

    Is that Dave Lister in the house? ;-)

    I'd say you're right, I learned Stairway as a lot of people do and I fucking hate that tune now because I spent so long learning it and not enjoying it. So yeah, good advice. Enjoy.

    Also I'd say don't be afraid to dismiss tabs after a while and start on your own thing, I don't remember anyone else's songs now, maybe a bit of a Zeppelin tune and a few bars from something else and the couple of covers me and my band do but considering I learned by playing other peoples stuff then it's a measly amount. SO once you feel confident start doing your own thing, it's much more satisfying.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Daryoon 18 Mar 2008 14:58:48 4,629 posts
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    People should learn to play other instruments. Guitars are so cliche!

    I'm going to learn the wobbleboard.
  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 15:02:09
    Daryoon wrote:
    People should learn to play other instruments. Guitars are so cliche!

    I'm going to learn the wobbleboard.

    I've got a skin flute for you to practice on!
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 15:03:41 17,064 posts
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    Funnily enough I'd love to play the trumpet, wish I'd learned that instead of guitar, but anyway. Actually, the harmonium is the instrument for me \o/

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • boo 18 Mar 2008 15:05:40 11,782 posts
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    Pah!

    Become a true rock god! Learn to play the drums!

    Then buy a Volvo estate and curse the rest of your bandmates as they're on their second at the bar while you're still packing up.

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  • Razz 18 Mar 2008 15:07:01 61,202 posts
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    The Trumpet is really easy to learn you should pick one on the cheap and give it a go.

    The only instruments I /really/ want to learn at the moment are the dizi (Chinese flute), and the Guqin (Chinese Zither)

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  • klanger13 18 Mar 2008 15:10:48 61 posts
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    Raster Billy Skank coming right up!

    Mr Sleep wrote:
    klanger13 wrote:
    Just make noise you enjoy!

    Is that Dave Lister in the house? ;-)

    I'd say you're right, I learned Stairway as a lot of people do and I fucking hate that tune now because I spent so long learning it and not enjoying it. So yeah, good advice. Enjoy.

    Also I'd say don't be afraid to dismiss tabs after a while and start on your own thing, I don't remember anyone else's songs now, maybe a bit of a Zeppelin tune and a few bars from something else and the couple of covers me and my band do but considering I learned by playing other peoples stuff then it's a measly amount. SO once you feel confident start doing your own thing, it's much more satisfying.
  • FightingMongoose 18 Mar 2008 15:11:17 498 posts
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    Great advice everyone.
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 15:13:21 17,064 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    The Trumpet is really easy to learn you should pick one on the cheap and give it a go.

    I'm tempted, one problem being living in flats though as they're pretty loud, I guess I could get a mute. Hmmm, maybe when i have money again.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Ciaran 18 Mar 2008 15:14:06 1,070 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    The only instruments I /really/ want to learn at the moment are the dizi (Chinese flute), and the Guqin (Chinese Zither)

    Dizi... is that what this guy plays?

    http://www.guoyuemusic.com/

    I saw him performing in Brugges a few years ago. Beautiful sounds.
  • mcmonkeyplc 18 Mar 2008 15:46:14 39,457 posts
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    Ah people saying acousitic first....I just bought my mates Electric guitar + Amp + Electric Tuner + learning book for £90

    :S

    Why is it easier on the acoustic than the electric guitar?

    Cause the strings are furthur apart? I have astonishingly skinny fingers if that helps....

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Skeptopotamus 18 Mar 2008 15:49:00 265 posts
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    It's easier to learn to play an electric guitar than an acoustic, but it's also easier to fall in to bad habits if you're just starting out...
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 15:50:28 17,064 posts
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    It's certainly not easier playing on a steel string acoustic, I never play mine now anyway, it's either the classical or my casino. I think the point is that it's good to get strength into your fingers and get the all important callouses.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 15:52:11 17,064 posts
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    Question for the guitarists, when you use barre chords do you use the index or do you use the thumb on the top string technique. I've always used barre but then I think electric allows the thumb technique to be easier.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 15:55:43
    Mr Sleep wrote:
    Question for the guitarists, when you use barre chords do you use the index or do you use the thumb on the top string technique. I've always used barre but then I think electric allows the thumb technique to be easier.

    Always the bar... Else the wrist gets cranked and the ablility to move to another position is slowed.
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 16:04:31 17,064 posts
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    Oh and whatever you do, dont use this guy as an inspiration ;-) Technique he has, musicality is lacking. Though you do have to respect a guy who puts his fingers through his hair after a strum ;-)

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Deleted user 18 March 2008 16:11:24
    Mr Sleep wrote:
    Oh and whatever you do, dont use this guy as an inspiration ;-) Technique he has, musicality is lacking. Though you do have to respect a guy who puts his fingers through his hair after a strum ;-)

    his fingers are like 6" long! I will confess, his mentor is my guitar hero.

    Joe
  • warlockuk 18 Mar 2008 16:28:11 19,164 posts
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    elredeyegrande wrote:
    Give up. Unless you're seriously committed to it, it's a waste of money.

    /glares at unused bass & amp
    What sort of bass + amp?

    /covets

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • Mr_Sleep 18 Mar 2008 16:32:19 17,064 posts
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    Heh, each to their own, not my sort of thing at all :-) I think part of it might be the face contortions!

    You are a factory of sadness.

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