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Xbox 360 vs. PS3 Face-Off: Round 22 Face-off

Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 Face-off by Richard Leadbetter

2 November, 2009

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Brutal Legend

One of the most consistently entertaining games released recently, Brutal Legend's game environments and basic concepts are so far out there that it practically demands a strong engine to realise them all effectively. The good news is that the tech is more than up to the challenge, and aside from a number of small performance differences, the game more than holds its own on both HD console platforms.

Take a look at the comparison video, and it's fairly evident that any superficial differences are effectively a non-issue.

There's clearly a very cleverly designed engine in play here, with Double Fine's solution capable of producing excellent visuals in both a streaming linear fashion as well as in an open-world environment. The fact that this is the team's first game, and that the conversion work between the two console formats is so good, is another excellent sign of things to come.

Yes, there are differences, but they are slight on a technical level. To the human eye, performance between the two versions is very, very close indeed. First up is resolution: both versions run at detail levels slightly below 720p. My Digital Foundry colleagues peg the Xbox 360 version at 1200x720, while the PS3 game is slightly lower at 1152x720. The reduction in horizontal resolution does serve to amplify the jagginess and both versions seek to lessen this somewhat by applying a very selective blur. Essentially the edges only are targeted, leaving texture detail levels intact. It's definitely a superior solution to the more frequent technique of simply blurring the whole frame-buffer, but it's still no match for proper MSAA.

Otherwise, in terms of performance, the two games operate very closely indeed. Both aspire to run at 30FPS, but both will drop v-sync in order to do so. The tearing is noticeable and more likely to occur on PS3, but the percentages are low enough that overall image quality is not unduly impacted. Frame drops under 30FPS are possible, and again, the PS3 will drop lower, but it's not a deal breaker. Other than that, aside from minor, almost indistinguishable differences in terms of texture filtering, shadowing and reflections, there's nothing to tell these two games apart, aside from the PS3's 1.5GB mandatory installation, which yields little, if any, advantage in terms of shorter loading times.

Overall then, this is accomplished work from the Double Fine team.

Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising

While purists will bemoan the mainstream approach taken with Il-2 Sturmovik, the self-same champions of hardcore PC gaming are unlikely to find much to fault with in this particular first-person shooter [oh I wouldn't be too sure about that chap - Ed]. Even in the default, "regular" difficulty setting, Operating Flashpoint: Dragon Rising is as hard as nails. Flashpoint is true to its roots: brutal and uncompromising.

It's just a shame that the same level of zero compromise has not been extended to the quality of the PlayStation 3 version of the game, which is undoubtedly one of the worst I've looked at this year:

Things don't look so bad on Xbox 360. It's hardly a game rich in diverse detail, but the graphics do their job well enough - it's native 720p, the 2x MSAA works nicely, and there's no real sense that you're being visually short-changed in any way: it's solid. PS3 on the other hand is a world apart from what is seen in the Xbox game. Environmental foliage is significantly pared back, texture quality likewise. The result is a release that looks significantly sparser on PlayStation 3. This wouldn't be so much of an issue were it not for the other indignities the graphics have had visited upon them for their trip across to the PS3.

In many senses, the game looks sub-HD on the Sony platform, but actually it isn't - it is indeed "proper" 720p based on our measurements. Quincunx anti-aliasing combined with lower-quality textures explains why the visuals are significantly blurrier, but only up to the point. Weirdly, and astonishingly, it appears that an additional, subtle blur filter has been added on top. Texture filtering has been downgraded too, resulting in a very ugly look on ground textures in particular.

The final insult concerns the level of screen tear visited upon the PS3 version. Yes, it's there on Xbox 360 but once again it is barely there at all, and difficult to detect by the human eye even when it does manifest. On PS3 it is effectively your constant companion; however, it's impact is offset by the relative slow pace of the game. Fast motion makes tearing much more evident perceptually, but there isn't much of this in Flashpoint, so in that sense the game feels a bit more solid that it actually is.

Regardless, factoring in all the compromises and downgrades, this is one to avoid for PS3 owners.

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Retroid [mod]
02/11/09 @ 13:25
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Marquess of Queensberry rules, please, people.

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klem578
02/11/09 @ 13:30
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@ Captain scarlet : So, remind us why you're here exactly?
Don't like 'em ? Don't read 'em , simple as that mate...

For multi-platform owners these articles are pretty nice and informative regarding on which version you're going to spend your moolah.
gilroyneil
02/11/09 @ 13:32
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So non PS3 exclusives suck? Who knew? ;-)
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02/11/09 @ 13:36
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We want faceoffs for Dragon Age Origins and MW2 including PC version as it will probably be the winner.
Hypercube
02/11/09 @ 13:36
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@klem578 - I find there's two types of people who read these face-off articles. Those who want to read about platform differences and perhaps use the information to make a choice, and then there's the other type where it's all about making themselves look big (and, mostly, a bit stupid) on the internet.

It's usually self-evident which ones are which! ;)
Shinetop
02/11/09 @ 13:44
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So, Brütal Legend is Double Fine's first game? I wonder who made Psychonauts, then.
Moonprince
02/11/09 @ 13:46
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Would be an idea to get pc in these too as given the choice between 360 and pc I'd like some reference...
siro
02/11/09 @ 13:50
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Moonprince: That doesn't make much sense, as on PC, it depends on the hardware provided and in game settings. Also, it will always look much better with the right hardware.
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02/11/09 @ 13:52
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I'm with Moonprince, now PC is my first choice on Multiplatform I'd really like to see how it shapes up against the console versions.

Although I suspect that might be difficult as there are so many different hardware options and varying performance results for PC.

Edit - Siro beat me to it!
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Geordiemp
02/11/09 @ 13:55
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Only Brutal Legend is of any interest here for me, so toss a coin for xbox or ps3..

Nothing really AAA or interesting....

Note if GT can do 1080 P and 2 x MSAA at 60 FPS using SPU's, then its obvious the 2 other racing games here are optimised for PC. You would think EA and codemasters would be optimising for Xbox and Ps3 by now...
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scorpius45
02/11/09 @ 14:00
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They should bring sound quality into these comparisons.
cianchristopher
02/11/09 @ 14:07
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Very nice DF, very nice. Keep up the good work!

I've got OF:DR on PC, and I'll be buying most of my multiplatform games on PC from now on.

Looking forward to the Borderlands triple-face-off (hopefully Modern Warfare 2 will get one too!)
sparkymark75
02/11/09 @ 14:10
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Bit weird why they would lower the quality of the 360 image on Il-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey to match the PS3.
Whizzo
02/11/09 @ 14:15
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the self-same champions of hardcore PC gaming are unlikely to find much to fault with in this particular first-person shooter

/splutters in amazement

Flashpoint is true to its roots

Ok now you're taking the piss, you are joking I assume?
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02/11/09 @ 14:17
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Whilst I've tried to overlook the faults of this largely below par HD generation of hardware (I'm increasingly of the belief that this cycle will age badly in the same way the first 3D consoles did) and the additional problems caused by Sony with the PS3, from the demo the tearing and frame rate issues in IL2 were off putting to the extent I'd rather wait and pick it up on PC at a later date.
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Dr_Strange
02/11/09 @ 14:20
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Maybe if developers started to write a PS3 engine from the ground up i.e. Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Killzone 2, etc then they would benefit from the system.

Porting game code to the PS3 doesn't work well, as we've seen all this gen. Developers should get off their lazy arse, after all, gamers are paying good money for these average games.
Gazza_UK
02/11/09 @ 14:21
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Really annoying as a ps3 (only) owner, when developers just don’t cut it when porting. I know the 360 will always have a slight advantage on the best of ports, but OP is just stupid, similar to the Orange Box a while back I guess.

Plus, you guys, who either take the piss, or overly protect the ps3, are just embarrassing. Everyone knows what ps3 exclusive titles can do, enjoy them rather than bitch about them.
GamerG
02/11/09 @ 14:22
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Once again proving if you want to see the best on multiplatform releases generally you need to go with the 360

Well done to MS for coming out with a console a whole year ahead of Sony and still matching it and even bettering it in terms of performance
Dr_Strange
02/11/09 @ 14:27
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GamerG
02/11/09 @ 14:22
Once again proving if you want to see the best on multiplatform releases generally you need to go with the 360

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No, you go with the PC. My PC versions of Mass Effect, Grid, Bioshock, L4D, FEAR 1/2, Dead Space, Orange Box, Pure, Burnout Paradise, Oblivion, etc, eat n' shit the 360's.
Dave52
02/11/09 @ 14:29
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So, kinda same old same old... I can't tell the difference between any of them with the exception of OF-DR. Conclusions to draw: PS3 is a bitch to code, but most developers are getting better at it.
SeesThroughAll
02/11/09 @ 14:31
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It's also "borrowed" the multi-level stages from Dead or Alive

While I agree that Tekken is not famous for innovation, this is factually wrong. Multi-level stages actually are coming back from Tekken 4. Nothing to do with Dead or Alive.
Tyrell
02/11/09 @ 14:32
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Here's my take on it: I only buy console exclusives, for everthing else i buy on the PC.

I've got more titles for my PC, than my consoles.
Ashen-Shugar
02/11/09 @ 14:33
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"Maybe if developers started to write a PS3 engine from the ground up i.e. Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Killzone 2, etc then they would benefit from the system. "

Most developers do not have the budget, timescales, manpower, or insider hardware knowledge to extract decent performance from the PS3. In most cases it's simply not financially justifiable.
GamerG
02/11/09 @ 14:39
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@Dr_Strange

yer, if you dont want to put up with the hassle that is PC gaming
rare uk
02/11/09 @ 14:42
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Was that Michael Jackson in Tekken? Looked like him
Dr_Strange
02/11/09 @ 14:43
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Ashen-Shugar
02/11/09 @ 14:33
Most developers do not have the budget, timescales, manpower, or insider hardware knowledge to extract decent performance from the PS3. In most cases it's simply not financially justifiable.

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OK, wait a minute, these developers are creating multiplatform games, therefore they would benefit in the long run of creating an engine (which they can upgrade, like Source) specifically for the PS3.

Yeah, it'll take money, but that's why they are creating multiplatform games in the first place.

UE 3, Source engine, etc, all suck on the PS3 because they weren't created with the PS3 in mind. They are specifically PC orientated, hence why games port to the 360 better.
Dr_Strange
02/11/09 @ 14:45
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GamerG
02/11/09 @ 14:39
yer, if you dont want to put up with the hassle that is PC gaming

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That's such a cliche reply, PC gaming has never been easier to set up. Your referring to the old 486 PC DOS days!
Moonprince
02/11/09 @ 14:49
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siro - Yeah, crossed my mind as I wrote it but having said that, majority people have a PC in some form and it wouldn't take much effort for Eurogamer to fix up a comparable PC to PS3 / 360 (surely the average cheap PC from shops meet / exceed that standard)??

Not that big a deal for me really, just a passing comment as given the choice, I usually go PC.
360_RROD
02/11/09 @ 14:50
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Most developers do not have the budget, timescales, manpower, or insider hardware knowledge to extract decent performance from the PS3. In most cases it's simply not financially justifiable.


Naughty Dog have a workforce of 85 and have built their own engine. PS3 development is seriously over-exaggerated.
Geordiemp
02/11/09 @ 14:53
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"Most developers do not have the budget"

Chicken and egg, maybe if they put more effort into the titles, they would get more wolrd wide sales, and hence a bigger budget
jimboton
02/11/09 @ 14:54
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I agree with posters above, this face offs should really be 360 vs PS3 vs Pc whenever possible.

Also, it would be great if you started taking input lag into account, that article DF did a while back on the subject was very promising..
muscleblade
02/11/09 @ 14:57
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Tekken 6 and Brutal Legend isnt even availaible for PC.

I wouldnt dream of playing them on one even if they was.



GamerG
02/11/09 @ 15:00
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@Dr_Strange

No I am not, I'm talking about keeping on top of the latest hardware and having to play around with settings to get thrings running at a decent clip.

I have a dual core PC with a 4850 graphics card and I expected the performance to be in excess of my 3 year old 360 which i'm not entirley sure it is because games stutter and I see more screen tearing than I do on my 360. I reckon if he played around with the huge amount of settings on the games i'm sure I can make it better but I always end up powering the 360.

Tyrell
02/11/09 @ 15:01
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Tekken 6 and Brutal Legend isnt even availaible for PC.

I wouldnt dream of playing them on one even if they was.


Ever heard of plugging a 360/PS3 pad or Arcade Stick into the PC. Nah, didn't think you have...
donnie080208
02/11/09 @ 15:12
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Thankgod i didnt take a chance and buy operation flashpoint on the ps3,what is strange is that it uses the EGO engine which performed well on sonys system in the dirt2 comparrison. Tekken6 is about equal with both having good and bad sides BUT that face off does prove that BR is of little advantage this gen to INGAME visuals when a title based on ps3 arcade archeitecture is still sub HD.
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GamerG
02/11/09 @ 15:00
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No I am not, I'm talking about keeping on top of the latest hardware and having to play around with settings to get thrings running at a decent clip.

I have a dual core PC with a 4850 graphics card and I expected the performance to be in excess of my 3 year old 360 which i'm not entirley sure it is because games stutter and I see more screen tearing than I do on my 360. I reckon if he played around with the huge amount of settings on the games i'm sure I can make it better but I always end up powering the 360.

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You're lying! I''ve got a Q6600 cpu, with 4gb ram, and an 8800GT gpu, a modest card to say the least and running all my games at 1680x1050 with 60+ fps (with the exception of Crysis)

Yet, you're running a 4850 gpu (with a decent cpu, i don't know about your ram) far better card than mine, yet you say your struggling to get the same performance as your 360.

Man, you must think we were all born yesterday. I don't buy it mate. You've just made up a lot of bullshit and for those that know better will acknowledge it.
j-bo
02/11/09 @ 15:16
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Geeez, what a dull and uninspiring bunch of games - it's amazing how given all the top notch games I am excited about, not even one of em featured here.
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02/11/09 @ 15:18
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"Bit weird why they would lower the quality of the 360 image on Il-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey to match the PS3. " Sorry to say it, but it seems that it is the ps3 holding back the dev friendly xbox360 in multiplat games not the other way round as many foretold. How many other games has the 360 been slightly"downgraded" to make the ps3 look as equal? none?,loads? who knows,as it would be very bad publicity indeed
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02/11/09 @ 15:21
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@ GamerG

Maybe the problem you're having is to do with Catalyst drivers rather than an actual hardware problem. Catalyst drivers are notoriously shit.
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@donnie080208

Didn't i tell you in a thread last week to get back to school!
farticusmaximus
02/11/09 @ 15:22
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This is not a PC game thread, it's a 360/PS3 faceoff.

If you want to discuss PC gaming take it to a PC gaming thread.
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@drstrange "Porting game code to the PS3 doesn't work well, as we've seen all this gen. Developers should get off their lazy arse, after all, gamers are paying good money for these average games. " Rubbish maybe sony should have made a console these "lazy" devs can program for, rather than throwing bits together that sound good on paper. Slightly mad,codemasters,valve etc.. have been responsinble for some of the best games going and because of sonys design arrogance ps3 owners are getting the short end of the stick. In the real world publishers want to make money and dont have infinite time and budgets. Its like making the fastest aeroplane in the world BUT no pilots in the world can fly it.(i.e. a waste of time)
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This is not a PC game thread, it's a 360/PS3 faceoff.

If you want to discuss PC gaming take it to a PC gaming thread.


This is a videogame site...don't start!
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@donnie080208

Yer as bright as a blackout! Sigh...

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