The EGTV Show: The Videogames Election - Episode 2

The Age-Ratings Debate.

Today Eurogamer TV airs the second part of our special documentary series on the UK videogames industry.

The Age-Ratings Debate focuses on attitudes from within and without the games industry to mature content.

We explore how seriously the industry takes the issue of protecting children, from development through to retail.

We also look at the law itself. Statutory responsibility for games classification is switching from the BBFC to PEGI, but when? And how?

You can watch Episode 2 of the Eurogamer TV series, The Videogames Election, below.

Episode 1 can be found elsewhere on the site.

Read on beyond today's video for an insight into how the show was put together.

Episode 2: The Age-Ratings Debate.

Videogames, as a relatively young entertainment form, have been a soft target for the more censorious sections of the media.

Nowhere was this more notable than in the opportunistic and irresponsible spinning over the tragic murder of 17-year-old Stefan Pakeerah in 2004 which, thanks to the dogged efforts of Keith Vaz MP and complicity of our dear friends at the Daily Mail and elsewhere, became - and remains - synonymous with Rockstar's Manhunt game, despite police dismissing its relevance to the case.

But what this episode also illustrated was an urgent need for the games industry to get its house in order - and a sober examination of the potential risks of mature content on kids.

Yes, games were subjected to a thorough - and at the high age-range, legally-enforceable - classification system. But there was widespread ignorance and confusion amongst non-gamers and parents.

This created the perfect conditions for the press and unscrupulous politicians to stoke these fears in pursuit of their own agendas, with games easily cast as 'video nasties' for a new generation.

Dr Tanya Byron's heavily publicised Review into child safety in a digital world, published in March 2008, was a major turning point. Independent of industry, Government-backed and authoritative, it tackled the issues in a manner the games sector could never manage by itself.

By bringing gaming and Westminster together, it acted as a vital catalyst in getting games onto the political agenda (a topic covered extensively in Episode 1 of this series.

Moreover, its conclusions helped shape and focus the industry's efforts to grow up, and improve its practices and relationship with consumers.

On the issue of age ratings, Byron highlighted the clear and obvious confusion that arises when you have two ratings bodies slapping different symbols on a box. Is that an age rating? Is it difficulty? Why is it BBFC 15 and PEGI 18? And anyway, WHAT IS A PEGI?

Byron's answer - a bit of a fudge, in truth - was a hybrid system, which ignited an undignified public slanging match between the BBFC on one side and PEGI and its industry backers on the other.

The upshot was that PEGI was chosen by the UK Government to become the sole classifier of videogames in the UK, replacing BBFC. Were it that simple.

Caught up in the Digital Economy Bill, age ratings only made it through Parliament by the skin of its teeth before the election. And now the industry is in a state of limbo. The ratings were passed, but are not yet implemented. What happens now? When will it happen? Will the BBFC continue to rate certain games? Who's responsible for what?

Each of these key questions is addressed in the Episode 2 - and to answer them, Eurogamer TV has had unprecedented access to the key voices.

They include the politicians and industry execs at the heart of the campaign and decision-making process; the Video Standards Council, which administers PEGI in the UK, giving its first full interview since PEGI was chosen; and the BBFC, to see how it rates games, how responsibility is being transitioned, and to discover why Modern Warfare 2 became the first Call of Duty game to receive an 18 rating.

With concerns raised that the PEGI system, established by the industry, is open to acting in self-interest, we also travel to New York to visit US classifications body the ESRB, a voluntary, self-regulating system with proven success.

Retail is the next link in the chain. How difficult is it for a minor to buy a game underage? To find out, I undergo training as a member of staff for High Street retailer GAME, and go undercover to work the tills and discover whether the systems really work in practice.

Finally, parents. The industry may have come a long way in the past couple of years, but parental attitudes, as I discover (to little surprise), continue to lag behind. The industry could wash its hands of the problem beyond the point of retail; argue that it's done as much as it can reasonably be expected to, and if parents want their kids to play Modern Warfare 2 (one freely admits on camera to allowing his four-year-old to play), then that's their business.

But the signs are that a large-scale consumer awareness campaign, joint-funded by the industry and government, is being worked on and will launch to coincide with whenever (September at the earliest, I'm told), the new ratings are in place. It is abundantly clear that this is essential and must be a long-term, high-profile effort.

Comments (23) Latest comment 2 years ago

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  • terminalterror #1 2 years ago

    Surely all this should have come out before the election?
  • Markitron #2 2 years ago

    Im more concerned about GAME headquarters having a PS3 hooked up to a HDTV with a bloody composite lead. Disgusting
  • Pastici #3 2 years ago

    Good show, need to be stuck on on BBC or something so the parents actually see it!
  • Azazel #4 2 years ago

    This is really excellent.
  • lucifonz #5 2 years ago

    Problem is BBFC ratings are the only ones which hold any kind of merit. PEGI however are just laughable at times rating games extremely high for titles which really dont need a rating of that height.

    EDIT - it's also quite clear to see in the video that people working at these companies are of quite a high age, something i feel skews these age ratings
    Edited by lucifonz at 02/06/10 @ 15:09
  • Bonobo #6 2 years ago

    Great to see some mature coverage of the industry and its issues.

    I would be interested to know how PEGI etc deal with multiplayer voice coms. Is that something they already take into account?
  • dr_shambles #7 2 years ago

    I still fail to see how the BBFC ratings system was confusing. Having a massive '18' on the front of the box, with a four inch square section on the back saying 'Contains strong bloody violence' means it's probably not a great idea to let an 8 year old play it.
  • Quickstick4 #8 2 years ago

    After seeing how PEGI rates its games and the BBFC rates the games....im more convinced by the BBFC! At least they actually play the game while making their mind up.
  • brseg #9 2 years ago

    very good vid.

    How many under 18s *havent* played a GTA or CoD?! Its difficult comparing movies and games. The thing is, some 18 rated films (horror I mean!) have really freaked me out -- and I"m 30-something- yet no game on earth is gonna do that. Some pixels of blood splatter never triggers that bit of the brain like seeing it 'real' or in some well done special effect. Same for running over people in a car, GTA style.
    I dont know, parents cave in and buy them anyway, to save themselves years of nagging.

    Edit: yeah, interesting approach to rating games by not playing them, didnt know that. So, Trauma Centre on Wii will be 18 rated for sure, due to the subject matter...
    Edited by brseg at 02/06/10 @ 16:17
  • trubadman #10 2 years ago

    I didn't see a problem with having the BBFC running alongside PEGI; parents who weren't clever enough to realise that both were rating systems wouldn't be clever enough to avoid buying adult games for their children. I don't see the source of confusion in the age ratings of games. What's so complicated. It's a number in a circle or square and it represents an age, if your child is below that; it is recommended that they dont play it. Personally i think that having 2 'confusing' rating systems is just a scapegoat for kids playing adult games. I don't think that the current ratings systems is confusing and reducing it to PEGI won't make parents more responsible. Parents buy 18's for kids because they don't care, they think that games are of no harm or simply they don't pay attention to rating systems. Maybe an awareness campaign would modify parents attitudes and actions but im quite certain that removing one of the ratings bodies will not.
    Edited by trubadman at 02/06/10 @ 16:38
  • Scurrminator #11 2 years ago

    Really enjoyed.
    More please.
    Should be required viewing for all the imbecile parents.
  • Tetsuo_Shima #12 2 years ago

    "one of us has the em ... the em... errrrr.... errrrrrmmmm ... thermoplastically constructed button-operated electronic input device"

    He tried his hardest not to say joypad, like it would jeopardise his professional credibility.
  • Soton4084 #13 2 years ago

    Good episode, which raises some important questions. I simply do not understand why PEGI was chosen over BBFC. All parents understand BBFC ratings which have been on videos and DVDs for years.

    Abandoning BBFC for games ratings is a big mistake in my opinion
  • RESIDENT_nEVILe #14 2 years ago

    Heh, yeah the guy knew all the terminology, but for some reason was reluctant to say joy-pad.

    @Soton4084

    The ratings system still is a bit of a mess, but I prefer the lesser role of the BBFC. The BBFC is basically a quango and often has its policies dictated by news-media scare-mongering via government which destroys its objectivity/integrity.

    There have been many cases where the BBFC has passed a film with an 18 certificate only to have the government wade in and enforce censorship or a ban on said film because the Daily Mail has run an article on how the kiddies are getting fucked up or how the new Charlie Manson has a copy of said film on his shelf.

    Self-regulation=win
    Edited by RESIDENT_nEVILe at 02/06/10 @ 18:45
  • Soton4084 #15 2 years ago

    @beemoh

    What I mean is that public awareness of the BBFC ratings system is higher simply by virtue of the fact that it's been around for years. Towards the end of the video they were talking about raising awareness of PEGI, so clearly that is an area in which it currently isn't satisfactory.
  • Soton4084 #16 2 years ago

    @RESIDENT_nEVILe

    I totally agree with your points on self-regulation and that it's a good idea in that respect. However, I don't think PEGI will help solve the problem of underage children buying 15/18 rated games.
  • RESIDENT_nEVILe #17 2 years ago

    @Soton4084

    Too true. Just like the Video Recordings Act of 1984 didn't stop my generation from watching horror films. Nothing but educating parents and vendors will work, I guess. Anything is better than over-zealous censorship.
    Edited by RESIDENT_nEVILe at 02/06/10 @ 19:17
  • Soton4084 #18 2 years ago

    @beemoh

    The problem is that PEGI could be mistaken for a difficulty rating as opposed to an age rating based on content. The vast majority of people are aware that the current BBFC ratings relate to the content, as this is what context they are used in when classifying films. True, using PEGI as the main rating will no doubt raise awareness of it, but it won't be to the same extent as BBFC, simply because BBFC is widely used on films/DVDs. Bearing in mind the fact that a lot of parents will know nothing about games, but will have watched films and will know what the BBFC age ratings mean.
  • powderfinger1971 #19 2 years ago

    Another great show, full of sensible comment rather than cheap headlines. Had to laugh at the guy who admitted to letting his 3 young children play COD online "because my kids are sensible". Unlike you then!
  • rodpad #20 2 years ago

    Make the numbers bigger on the box.
  • meggsy #21 2 years ago

    Did he just call a controller a 'handset'?
  • inc101 #22 2 years ago

    Piss poor presenting....It was like watching something from GMTV
  • potter73 #23 2 years ago

    At the end of the day a large sticker on the front of the box (saying 18, 15, or whatever) and vigilant shop staff can only do so much.

    A few months ago, I was in HMV...a kid no older than 10 went up to the counter and tried to purchase GTA IV. The bloke behind the counter refused to sell the game to him. So the kid went off, got his mum, and she bought the game. Its this mentality/mindset that you have to tackle. I sure there are some parents who genuinely don't appreciate that video games have moved on/ matured since the days of PacMan, Chuckie Egg etc etc and in some cases would be quite suprised by how advanced (and in some cases 'adult in theme') these games are.

    However, I reckon that its also the case that a large number of parents really couldnt care less whether or not their 10 year old is running down prostitutes, carrying out mass murder. Its those parents that are going to be the 'tough nuts to crack'

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude/squeamish etc etc. I really enjoy games such at GTA, COD, GOW etc etc. Is there a link between video games and violence?....personally I doubt it (you could argue that there is a link between cartoon violence on TV and real violence....not seen Tom & Jerry get slapped with a BBFC 18 cert. yet though :-) )

    At the end of the day, I think its right to have age-ratings on boxes (as there are on Films, as there are age restrictions on numerous other areas in modern life) You have to accept that you are always going to get a minority of people who will ignore those ratings. What needs to be done is to tackle the problem of ignorance outside of the gaming world (people who see snippetts of a game, or hear a soundbite of bad press and try to crucify the industy almot immediately)