Jump to navigation

Table of contents

Page Previous 1 2 3 Next

Advertisement

Star Wars: The Old Republic Preview

MMO PC Preview by Ellie Gibson

23 October, 2008

Page 1 of 3. Page 2 ->

It may be the worst kept secret in recent gaming history, but that hasn't stopped LucasArts putting on a big show to unveil its new MMO from BioWare, Star Wars: The Old Republic. Dozens of journalists have been invited to the company's San Francisco HQ, including many flown all the way from Europe. Executives from BioWare, EA and of course LucasArts are all putting in an appearance, along with creative directors, storyline writers, gameplay programmers and an army of PR people. In fact, the only notably absent person is George Lucas.

A press conference is held in the impressive on-site cinema. A trailer is shown, along with a video of "pre-production gameplay footage". There's a question-and-answer session, followed by roundtable presentations, executive interviews, a tour of the building and a trip to the gift shop (think Javva the Hutt coffee mugs, hundred-dollar Indiana Jones hats, Yoda costumes for dogs and receipts that bear the legend, 'May the Force Be With You').

With all that stuff going on, you might think the dozens of journalists will come away with a thorough understanding of Star Wars: The Old Republic. You might be wrong. The phrase "We're not talking about that today" is wheeled out again and again, and after a couple of hours it feels like the list of things they're not talking about today is longer than the list of acceptable subjects for discussion.

Here are just a few of the things they aren't talking about today: the story delivery system, grouping, space combat, the number of classes, travelling between planets, player housing, how long the game's been in development, how many people are working on it, PC exclusivity, subscription fees, the release date. Best quote of the event: "We're not talking about anything that has to do with space today."

'Star Wars: The Old Republic' Screenshot 1

The visuals have a hand-painted quality to them - much like some of the backgrounds in the old movies.

It's clear that what would be discussed was determined well in advance, and that everyone has been thoroughly briefed. This launch event is not about sharing details or answering specific questions. It's about sending a precise, and rather short, message.

The message, in essence, is this: with Star Wars: The Old Republic, BioWare is doing things differently. This game is not Star Wars Galaxies 2, nor is it Knights of the Old Republic 3. (Actually, according to BioWare, it's KOTOR 3, 4, 5 and beyond, but more on that later.) It may be set in the same time period as Knights of the Old Republic, but it's an MMO as well as an RPG. It will include the same features you'd expect from traditional MMORPGs, but BioWare is throwing new elements into the mix.

"We're huge fans of the MMO genre," says BioWare co-founder Ray Muzyka, speaking in a post-press conference interview. "We're looking at the things that great MMOs do so well - exploration, character progression, combat, raids, PVP, PVE and all the things that fans of the genre have come to expect.

'Star Wars: The Old Republic' Screenshot 2

This mining droid may be taking the whole strike thing too far.

"We're adding something to that. We're adding a pillar where you get to play solo or multiplayer, and go back and forth between them via a meaningful story arc," he continues. "You make choices that matter and have consequences, and you feel like you're making a difference as you progress through this world."

According to Daniel Erickson, who's one of the writers helping to construct that story arc, this is what sets The Old Republic apart from other MMORPGs. "For whatever reason, when people took the RPG and went to make the massively multiplayer RPG, they left out the fourth pillar - story," he says. "Obviously, that's not something BioWare's ever done. So if we're going to make an MMO, we're going to make one with all the pillars there."

The story is set some 300 years after the events of the KOTOR games, and 3000 years before the Star Wars movies. Following years of war, the old Republic and new Sith Empire have reached an uneasy truce - so uneasy, in fact, that it falls apart soon after the game begins.

To Page 2 ->

Advertisement

Are you excited about Star Wars: The Old Republic on MMO?
View Eurogamer readers most anticipated games

Thanks!

Want to comment on this article? Log in, or register!

Comments: 1-50 of 71 in total | next 50 »

Poster
Comment Low-scoring comments hidden. Log in to see them!
nickthegun
23/10/08 @ 13:03
#1
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I would buy this simply due to the fact that it isnt set during the fucking clone wars.
Xeaon
23/10/08 @ 13:06
#2
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Ooh another boring grindfest, how exciting.
Benno
23/10/08 @ 13:06
#3
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
i am really looking forward to this like
retrend
23/10/08 @ 13:07
#4
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
This is about as interesting to me as having my nuts cut off and being forced to eat them
WooHoo!!!
23/10/08 @ 13:09
#5
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Boring.
BiscuitBase
23/10/08 @ 13:09
#6
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
This can't possibly succeed as a decent RPG because it doesn't have the word "of" anywhere in the title. I recommend a hasty renaming to World of Starwars : Age of the old republic
crazyhorse174
23/10/08 @ 13:18
#7
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
How can this be set at the same time as KOTR - I read that this was set 1000 years before the filems...wasnt KOTR set 10000 years or something??
Mr_Bison
23/10/08 @ 13:19
#8
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
retrend "This is about as interesting to me as having my nuts cut off and being forced to eat them "

I would pay to see that any day
Psi
23/10/08 @ 13:25
#9
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
will lucas be in the game raping a stormtrooper?
RedPanda
23/10/08 @ 13:34
#10
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I'm....quite curious about this. If they bring it to console. Otherwise no.
ThePissartist
23/10/08 @ 13:38
#11
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
It's just a shame that so much of Bioware's time must be spent on this, when they could've spent more time on Mass Effect.

Such a shame.
Lebowski
23/10/08 @ 13:41
#12
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Star Wars: Cash Cow Episode 0.1: A New Way To Get Your Money.

"It's a dark time for George Lucas. In the third quarter of 2008 (+31 ABY) he only made pre-tax profits of $3.2 billion. In an effort to increase his bottom line, Gee-El sent out his gameclonetroopers who reported back that many 'younglings' are playing WoW. Now Gee-El is making a second MMO game, apparently more powerful than the first ..."

CUT TO: A ship which looks a little bit like a Star Destroyer (but isn't a Star Destroyer (but which you're supposed to get excited about anyway because it's sort of Star Wars-y) ) passing over a desert planet.
Amajiro
23/10/08 @ 13:42
#13
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Javva the Hutt?
Schiraman
23/10/08 @ 13:47
#14
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Hmm, an MMO with more story might be interesting, but TBH what I really want to hear is that they're actually innovating in terms of gameplay.
RexRunti
23/10/08 @ 13:56
#15
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
To me this is sounding like an MMO RPG in the same way Test Drive Unlimited and Burn Out Paridise are MMO Racers. This pleases me.
figgis
23/10/08 @ 14:06
#16
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Is anyone else bored shitless of Star Wars?
hiddenranbir
23/10/08 @ 14:06
#17
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Grind fest where meaningful SP choices are in the SP bit? How can I choose to kill an npc or not in a persistant world?

Unless they're finally putting real procedural content in the MMO world...but that would mean trying a model starkly different from the one that WoW has made so successful. Hmm.
Ryltar
23/10/08 @ 14:16
#18
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Interesting. So its essentially Guild Wars in the Star Wars universe with more NPC party interaction. Perhaps without the instanced areas?
Evolution
23/10/08 @ 14:17
#19
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I'd prefer Kotor 3 to Kotor 3,4,5,6,7,8,9...
Nameless-001
23/10/08 @ 14:22
#20
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
This is not Kotor 3.
I'll simply ignore it, and hope others will do the same.
creepylizard
23/10/08 @ 14:28
#21
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Why couldn't hey have just made a proper game? whhhyy?
groovychainsaw
23/10/08 @ 14:28
#22
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Sounds like a single player RPG shoehorned into a MM format to gouge some money out of star wars fans to me
/is skeptical
Don't get me wrong, I loved KOTOR, but would much rather see KOTOR 3 than this, which sounds resolutely single-player so far, but you have to pay £10/month for the privilege
darc
23/10/08 @ 14:37
#23
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I think my thing with MMO's is this: I fear any game I can't foresee finishing, ever.
TheLittlestHobo
23/10/08 @ 14:46
#24
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Funny how some of you have formed an opinion on it already with jack shit to go on. I mean come on this is Bioware ffs. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

Imaging playing a KOTOR game, with co-op, more useful NPC's and where your actions not only affect your character, but the overall story. That's what comes across to me, and how is that bad?

How do you know it'll be a grindfest? or that it'll cost £10 a month?

Some people...
smoison
23/10/08 @ 14:48
#25
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
We know because Lucas wants to rape you.
sifujames
23/10/08 @ 14:51
#26
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Really not interested. I just want KOTOR 3 - that means a single player game, a game with a great story, and a game with a start, a middle and an end, not an MMORPG that just trundles on forever, with no sense of progression and achievement other then having loads of loot and being a super high level Jawa. And even if Bioware can make it really great for single players, I'm not giving George £10 per month so I can keep on playing.
groovychainsaw
23/10/08 @ 14:53
#27
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@thelittlesthobo -lets face it, most companies want to jump on the mmo bandwagon to get some of that lovely warcraft money - we've seen several games try to leverage licenses etc. to make money in the mmo space. I know bioware are good, but being a good single player developer does not make you a good mmo developer.. I am skeptical, as i said.
Edit: For the record, I own every game and every expansion bioware has ever put out, so consider me a fan of their stuff in general, I just don't think MMOs are the best games in the world... and i worry about the motivations of their parent company, EA... We've seen plenty of good developers dry up under their tutelage
Edited 2 times, most recently on 23/10/08 @ 16:00
prolific8
23/10/08 @ 14:56
#28
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I want this travesty out of my face. Make KotOR 3 and ditch this POS you money-grabbing fucksticks.
Widge
23/10/08 @ 14:57
#29
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I want KOTOR3, except to be good this time.
sirtacos
23/10/08 @ 14:58
#30
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
" Sounds like a single player RPG shoehorned into a MM format to gouge some money out of star wars fans to me
/is skeptical "

My thoughts exactly.

A lot of this just seems forced to me.

I hope it's fantastic, but I haven't been this skeptical about a Bioware game in - well, ever.

Anyway, as much as I love KotOR (my favourite game ever), I'm looking forward to Mass Effect 2 much, much more.
Adam_T
23/10/08 @ 15:03
#31
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Jar Jar PLZ! Or his elder family anyway.
sifujames
23/10/08 @ 15:07
#32
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
TheLittlestHobo - Yes, this is Bioware, but we love their single player games, and we want more of them. Why? Because single player games allow for proper writing, where the story can build with twists and turns, and have a definitive(and hopefully satisfactory) ending. But the nature of MMORPGs is that they go on for ever. That's their business model. So no matter how well Bioware script their instances etc, it won't have the same impact because you know that really, there's never going to be an end. You'll just keep going on and on, and it all just becomes meaningless, just another task to complete. Now some people like that, but I don't.
thesnowman
23/10/08 @ 15:09
#33
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I want KOTOR 3, however this sounds slightly interestiong, but I just dont have the time to devout to a MMO.

Just give me KOTOR 3, I loved the first KOTOR, I actually played it again over the summer.
rarebit
23/10/08 @ 15:36
#34
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
they promise the earth (or in this case the stars) and yet it will still be" lolz big looooootz" grindfest. i've heard all this immersive world, great a.i never repeat a storyline, real choices stuff so many times.

more of the same me thinks.
Byzanite
23/10/08 @ 15:43
#35
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Its stuff Ive heard before from upcoming MMOs: Going to be different, No-one's done this before, etc, bla bla.
I like Star Wars and I like the concept but until it shows the money its JAMMO, just another MMO.
Azazel
23/10/08 @ 15:55
#36
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"In fact, the only notably absent person is George Lucas."

\o/
Mogs
23/10/08 @ 15:56
#37
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I might be interested in this if it wasn't painfully obvious from the outset that it will do next to nothing to solve the fundamental failings of all MMOs, i.e. The player has no material impact on the game world or the story.
actionfitz
23/10/08 @ 16:03
#38
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
tbh im feeling a bit of MMO burnout :/
been playing wow for years, got stung in the bad place by AoC, just picked up WAR... wotlk is coming up...
Aion, Chroncles of spellborn... this...
I only have so much freetime and my monthly income can only support so many subscriptions...

thank god Fable 2 got a decent review score.

Gonna close myself off from the world for a weekend and indulge in good old single player RPG bliss for a while.
TheLittlestHobo
23/10/08 @ 16:08
#39
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I understand some of your reservations, that MMOs become meaningless (i agree) and you almost see the £ signs in the developers eyes, but MMOs are still young and there is much scope for innovation and development. As Bioware state, story is missing in today's MMOs which is something they hope to address. I see that as putting the meaning back. If you can have a solid KOTOR experience in a multi user setting then I see that as a step forward. It'll be like you finish the game, but instead of replaying it or waiting for a sequel, you would then go off and start another adventure, ie KOTOR 4, 5, 6 etc.. this is what I think they are saying. So I am guessing hubbed enviroments ala Guild Wars, with TONS of content. Of course, to pull something like this is off is going to be a MAMMOTH task and then some. All i am saying is that with what we have got to go on so far, it is dumb to just write them off just yet.

I wish them luck.

Mr_Brown
23/10/08 @ 16:48
#40
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Oh no...not this 'story' crap again. When will developers learn that people do not play MMO's for the story, they play it for the community. Honestly, can anyone say they played WoW for its story? They need to concentrate on features that will support the player community and accessability to all players.
qoobah
23/10/08 @ 16:54
#41
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
It's all good, I wish them luck as well etc and I just MIGHT be slightly interested in this, if it manages to deliver on the story front (I can't see that happening given the nature of MMO's in general - thousands of heroes "saving the world" at the same time. But I'll give them the benefit of doubt, only cause it's BW).

That doesn't change the fact I'd much MUCH rather have single player KOTOR3 made by them than all this.
Silvervein
23/10/08 @ 16:56
#42
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@Thelittlesthobo

Just for the record, the talk of putting story to mmo and treating it as a novelty and selling point is not valid. At its current state, city of heroes is about the only mmo out there that is based around stories you follow, from the very beginning to the end level. With enough story to last you through at least three characters. That still doesn't change the fact that story of the kind I'd expect from kotor is the one that affects the world around me: and that's something that's next to impossible to do in mmo, unless you do it the way of guild wars. But then, heavy instancing of guild wars is not that popular I think, and somehow I can't imagine EA shelling cash for something with limited appeal. And in any other scenario, what kind of consequences will your actions have? So you play as sith and you killed someone. Log in next day and what do you see? The guy you killed, alive, spewing his scripted text again. That kind of thing effectively kills any kind of storytelling or feeling of being able to influence the world. For that reason alone I don't think this game is going to be anything other than EA attempt at getting more monthly subscriptions (on top of warhammer online). And I don't think that anyone here doesn't think that EA is always after maximum profit...which by its definition means minimal risk. Don't expect groundbreaking advances in mmo coming from EA. On the other hand, if you want star wars reskin of wow gameplay, I'm sure you'll be in for a treat.
Andy247
23/10/08 @ 17:09
#43
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Why not actually give us the game that stopped abruptly at the end of KOTOR II instead of trying to produce something that no-one wants to play. As interested as I might be in a game like this, I would NEVER pay a monthly subscription for it.
makeamazing
23/10/08 @ 17:58
#44
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Kinda bored of Star Wars at the moment
sifujames
23/10/08 @ 18:05
#45
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Both Silvervein and Mogs have pinned down the exact reason why I've never wanted to play an MMORPG - you have no effect on the game world. Doesn't matter what you do, or who you kill, the next day it's exactly the same. You've battled some dragon for hours to get its gold, but tomorrow some else will be doing the same thing. What's the point?
Edited 1 times, most recently on 23/10/08 @ 19:14
zoch
23/10/08 @ 18:12
#46
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I want kotor 3 be a single game so they can finsh revan story line
thesnowman
23/10/08 @ 18:31
#47
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Is it just me or would this MMO be more appealing after they finish off the Revan story with KOTOR 3.
bad09
23/10/08 @ 18:39
#48
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"Kinda bored of Star Wars at the moment "

Even as a SW nut I feel the same TBH, in the end the prequels, while watchable, were a pretty poor show and I've switched off completely with the new clone wars movie.

Hopefully BF3 and the live action series will ignite my once feverish fanatical behavior to anything remotely SW (I pray the show has more in common with original SW than the Jedi overkill prequels, but I doubt it)
Scimarad
23/10/08 @ 19:21
#49
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I quite intrigued by the idea that you can solo this. My favourite MMORPGs don't tend to have the MMO bit...
Edited 1 times, most recently on 23/10/08 @ 20:38
makeamazing
23/10/08 @ 20:13
#50
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Thats my kinda problem Bad09. Loved the original 3 movies, but then GL decided to mess with them (Computerised Jabba nooo), then the new 3 movies were ok but not great (Jar Jar nooo), recently seen the cartoon movie - clone wars (took my son to see), was ok, but again could have been alot better. I really think Lucas has really wasted such a great license from the movie point of view, the games havent been bad, but I think Ive just lost interest due to the TV side being so poor. Normally if a TV show/movie is great it keeps the interest up for the games side... just not happening for me :(

Comments: 1-50 of 71 in total | next 50 »

Want to comment on this article? Log in, or register!

X View gallery