Saints Row 2 Review

By Rob Fahey Published 14 October, 2008

Where angels fear to tread.

Version tested: PlayStation 3

If you want to talk about Saints Row 2 (right place to be, innit), you've got two different approaches open to you. You could talk, in technical terms and a tone reminiscent of a slightly disappointed maths teacher, about how the graphics aren't terribly impressive. It's got a huge city for you to explore, but compared with the deftly filtered visual richness of something like Grand Theft Auto IV (a comparison that's going to be hauled out a lot, I'm afraid), it looks dated.

You'd probably go on to mention, with faintly pursed lips, that the animation messes up regularly - with characters "popping" out of cars when the doors don't have space to open, for instance. Or you might complain that enemy AI and other road users are fairly simple and dim, or that the radio stations are understocked to the extent that the '80s station seems to play The Final Countdown at least three times an hour. If you want to nit-pick Saints Row 2, you won't have a hard time doing so. It's even got a little bit of screen-tearing and the occasional frame-rate drop.

If you look past that, though, you've got approach number two: it's the first sandbox game since Vice City where 3am comes and goes, and for me, Saints Row 2 is a diamond, no matter how roughly hewn. For all the visible seams, I'm happier talking about fun stuff, like the time I hijacked a car with a passenger still inside, and found myself playing a hidden mini-game where I had to evade the police without letting him escape, until he was so terrified that he offered to pay a ransom. Or the time I walked into a stadium to discover a fully functional Destruction Derby, complete with customisable scrapyard vehicles.

'Saints Row 2' Screenshot 1

Does this look a) ridiculous and unrealistic or b) really good fun?

It's a game that wears its heart on its sleeve. It's a blatant rip-off of GTA's central idea, but the idea has been ripped off by people who understand that what made GTA fantastic wasn't just stealing cars and thumping people, but humour and character. Saints Row 2 is full of memorable gang bosses and underlings, teeming with sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek or simply puerile comments and references.

Moreover, it's hosted a city rich with activity. Every street is full of shops to be explored, activities to take part in, missions to be defeated and enemy strongholds to conquer. From the first moment you set foot in Stilwater (after breaking out of the prison you've languished in since the first game), your map throbs with dozens of icons, each of which can be explored to turn up something new. Even if you're not right next to a mission or activity icon (missions advance the storyline, activities simply earn you money and "respect", which unlocks additional missions), the game rarely leaves you with nothing to do for long, and of course you can always embark on the standard GTA-style crime spree - shoot things until the cops (and rival gangs) turn up, escalating to the point where SWAT vans block off the roads and helicopters circle overhead.

'Saints Row 2' Screenshot 2

If you're still running with 'ridiculous and unrealistic', Saints Row 2 may not be the game for you.

There's extra structure on offer here, though. Hijack a taxi and you get a Crazy Taxi-style game - pick up passengers, deliver them on time, and drive according to their desires to receive a bonus. A tow-truck allows you to repossess cars from (usually violent) owners to earn money. As mentioned, stealing a car with a passenger in it and putting your foot down enables a ransom mini-game. Several days since we began, we're not convinced we've turned up all the distractions on offer, with so many incidental features - like your character singing along to the songs on the radio if you leave it on long enough. Tunelessly and out of time, we might add, but that just makes it even better.

While Saints Row 2 makes no bones about its GTA inspiration, one crucial difference is the concept of territory, with the city of Stilwater divided up into 45 discrete neighbourhoods, which are controlled by an assortment of rival gangs. As you progress through the missions, some of those neighbourhoods come under your control. Others you'll have to take over by assaulting enemy strongholds.

Controlling neighbourhoods is crucial, because each neighbourhood pays a certain amount of money per day, which can be picked up from the safe in any of your, er, cribs. Your neighbourhoods are also full of your gang members, and as you progress, you'll unlock the ability to recruit them. Your homies follow you around, shoot your enemies and aggro the opposition to give you a bit of room, and they're key to succeeding at the game's tougher moments.

The whole territorial control concept works well. Watching your influence spread over Stilwater is great fun - and you can also take advantage by buying up businesses in the areas you've grabbed, increasing your revenue stream and earning a handy discount in the process. When you've managed to get into lots of trouble with a rival gang, it's also handy to drive into one of your own areas and watch as your gang members pile into your pursuers.

Saints Row 2's other major diversion from the GTA formula is style. Customisation is absolutely key, from the incredibly comprehensive character-creation pages (we've already waxed eloquent about the ability to make a grossly obese, elderly transvestite as your main character, should you so desire - but you can also make just about anyone else you want, as hideous or as handsome as you wish) through to the vast selection of clothes on offer in Stilwater's different stores. Even your cribs can be heavily upgraded and restyled as befits your standing as one of the city's top crime bosses.

'Saints Row 2' Screenshot 3

For instance, you may find this attire unsuitable for a crime boss raiding a rival's stronghold. That's where you're wrong.

Cars, too, can be modified to a huge extent. Each one you hijack can be brought to a garage and, for a price, you can fit a wide range of body mods, engine and chassis upgrades, new paint and weapons. All of these modifications - clothes, cars or cribs - contribute to your style rating, and the higher your style rating goes, the more respect you earn for each activity you undertake, so the game's various ratings and currencies feed off one another helpfully, and Saints Row 2's style elements are as deep or as shallow as you like. If you want to spend ages finding and customising a smart pinstripe suit and a white fedora hat with a black band (which I did, and I'm not ashamed), there's a small bonus in it for you. If, on the other hand, you just want to shoot goons in the face, well, the bonus is no great loss. Style is well catered for, but the developers clearly feel that style is its own reward.

Also rewarding is multiplayer, where the key mode is unquestionably co-op - a well-considered drop-in/drop-out system that means that you can join another player's game, do a few missions, and then hop back into your own, retaining any items or progress you made. There's no split-screen, sadly, but for households with more than one console, or for friends online, this has immense potential. Deathmatch-style multiplayer and a more complex, group-based competitive mode are also included, but Saints Row 2 doesn't lend itself to precision shooting, and while this is fine in single-player it's makes for random and frantic deathmatch.

'Saints Row 2' Screenshot 4

You can increase your style (and respect) by redecorating cribs. In Stilwater, Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen would be respected and feared.

Still, in single-player and in co-op, Saints Row 2 is one of the most ridiculous and enjoyable games of the year. Some will dismiss it as GTA's "gangsta" offshoot, but they're missing the point; with its immense scope, fun physics and focus on entertainment over realism or grit, Saints Row is what GTA would have become if Rockstar North had followed Vice City to its pimpin' conclusion. It may not have the graphical fidelity or the polish of its high-budget counterpart, and will be beaten up for that, but it compensates more than adequately by answering the crucial question - "is it fun?" - with an exuberant, sweary, two-fingered affirmative.

9 / 10

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About Rob Fahey

Rob Fahey is a former editor of GamesIndustry.biz who spent several years living in Japan and probably still has a mint condition Dreamcast Samba de Amigo set.

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  • berelain #1 3 years ago

    awesome. I was pretty much on the fence with this, but this review may just have changed my mind. Its got that thing that GTA IV, for all its strong storyline and clever nuances, seesm to miss out on: Fun.

  • Antwandemarco #2 3 years ago

    As good as littlebigplanet?

    GAH!

  • el-pimpz #3 3 years ago

    Impressive, looking forward to playing it in co-op.

  • Kryon #4 3 years ago

    "the graphics aren't terribly impressive. It's got a huge city for you to explore, but compared with the deftly filtered visual richness of something like Grand Theft Auto IV (a comparison that's going to be hauled out a lot, I'm afraid), it looks dated."

    Well of course it looks dated, you reviewed the PS3 version, lulz.

  • Widge #5 3 years ago

    Apparently £15 from Tesco.com for PS3...

    Still wouldn't touch this with a barge pole!

  • -TKF- #6 3 years ago

    Wow i am torn.. this or LBP
    This game which i have played since GTA3 or LBP a brand new experience.... they are equal good @ 9/10

  • Fernando #7 3 years ago

    wowo high score

  • mattigan #8 3 years ago

    Probably better than GTA4 (or GTAbore as I think of it)

  • sirtacos #9 3 years ago

    Wawaweewah.

  • Les #10 3 years ago

    So it's even worse than GTA IV?! Ouch... ;)
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 07:23

  • Huddy #11 3 years ago

    Impressive....

  • Trigga_Tybalt #12 3 years ago

    holy crap! was it just me or did everyone else expect this to be another mercenaries 2?

  • GamesConnoisseur #13 3 years ago

    I m sorry but now sick and tired as the proverbial parrot at the same old boring comment of 'not as good as Halo 3' I see peppering everywhere!

    Its funny only so for long, and even if the point wasnt ever funny but an angry dig at reviewers/EG/Universe for the 'injustice' of awarding Halo 3 full 10 and other games perceived worthy as an equal to full score or better!

    Move on man!

    I get it, we get it and even EG get its.

    Now back to the subject. pleased for SR2 to get a very respectable 9 and I m sure quite a few would prefer this to GTA4 as build up to be more enjoyable and fun. Both have its place and I ll certainly get my hands on this!

  • toy_brain #14 3 years ago

    Oooohh, tempting. So very very tempting.
    Usually I loathe these sandbox-world type games and have never finished a GTA (and didnt get suckered into buying GTA4 despite the massive hype), but something about this game.... I dunno what it is.. possibly the character customisation? really has me wanting.

    /adds to list.

  • MrXBob #15 3 years ago

    Told ya so. But I really do wish the reviewer had bothered to play the original... holding hostages in cars is nothing new

  • ArchiRag #16 3 years ago

    not too fussed about the graphics as long as the gameplay is sound, the overthetopness and lulz rating is what made me enjoy the first one although hopefully the online is better this time

  • Beano #17 3 years ago

    9... WTF !?!?!?

    Didn't see that coming... thought the first game was utter crap.

  • Joel_The_Mole #18 3 years ago

    Yeah, its £15.97 from Tesco Direct.


    Enter FREEDEL at checkout for free delivery.

    Just ordered one, might order another and try swap it for LBP or sell it on ebay!

  • Joel_The_Mole #19 3 years ago

    Yeah, its £15.97 from Tesco Direct.


    [link url=http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/p....aspx?R=854368 ]http://ww w.tesco.com/entertainment/p.......[/link]

    Enter FREEDEL at checkout for free delivery.

    Just ordered one, might order another and try swap it for LBP or sell it on ebay!

  • ScottyXTUK #20 3 years ago

    Already preordered.

    Liked the first one, this seems even better, looking forward to it.

  • Charlie_Miso #21 3 years ago

    strange as it may seem, this may be the biggest temptation to upgrade to the' REAL NEXT/CURRENT GEN!!!!!!!'

    the spiritual successor to San Andreas \o/

  • The_Inquisitor #22 3 years ago

    Sounds like a right laugh and also comes at the pefect time for it to ride the waves of GTA4's success. I imagine many people will be getting a crave again for some free roaming action after the summer interlude.

  • Windsong #23 3 years ago

    Well, if there were any reason to upgrade to a high end dual core cpu (i.e. 3.0 ghz)...this is it! Screw console controls with a fps/action game such as this..a mouse/kb setup is the only way to go!

  • Darren #24 3 years ago

    Wooooow... I wasn't expecting Saints Row 2 to get a really good review and 9/10! That's a surprise... but a welcome one regardless.

    I loved GTA IV, I believe it's one this year's finest games along with Metal Gear Solid 4, and whether or not Saints Row 2 surpasses it is irrelevant because all I want to know is whether it's fun to play or not. From the reviews I've read it seems that it is and that's all I need to know. The first game was great and very entertaining if a little rough and ragged around the edges so if this sequel is only slightly better then I'll be happy. My pre-order at GAME is already being processed so hopefully I'll be playing this on Thursday... :)

  • bad09 #25 3 years ago

    "Some will dismiss it as GTA's "gangsta" offshoot, but they're missing the point; with its immense scope, fun physics and focus on entertainment over realism or grit, Saints Row is what GTA would have become if Rockstar North had followed Vice City to its pimpin' conclusion."

    Please SR doesn't class half the class and style of VC :)

    TBH (while I don't buy into the EG review conspiracy crap) I'm slightly dubious of the glowing review seeing as the first game was so bad but I might try a demo. Problem is though the worst thing about SR1 was the gangsta theme for me, like a chav talking "street" it was truly cringe worthy.

  • Scimarad #26 3 years ago

    Sounds more fun than GTA4 TBH. I particularly like the 'increasing your territory' thing as that was one of my favourite bits from San Andreas.

  • DUFFMAN5 #27 3 years ago

    As I thought fookin ace. Bring on Friday. I think it is the game I have been most looking forward to this year well maybe this and Fable II. God I love my 360, I want to cover it in pepper and sneeze all over it.

  • peteb #28 3 years ago

    My my, that is a surprise. I had almost written this one off.

    Now, I think I'm going to have to give it a try! Sounds fun! :)

  • bad09 #29 3 years ago

    @ Scimarad

    See for me that was the weakest part of SA, running all over town protecting territory instead of missions was a pain in the ghetto butt

  • loop7 #30 3 years ago

    Hmm noticed the big Saints Row 2 banner ads around the page...

  • mazzl #31 3 years ago

    so samo as LBP :p sorry... could not resist...
    sound really great dough, i do find gta a bit to serious, might just pick this up after completing fable 2 :)

    is there local co-op?

  • Doctor_What #32 3 years ago

    That was unexpected... You know, I think I might take a punt on this.

  • Darren #33 3 years ago

    Having re-read the review, I noticed there's a lack of information regarding the single player mode (How long is it? How varied is it? What's the story like? Does it keep you gripped to the end? Are the missions checkpointed? Does your character speak in this game or is he/she still a mute? Etc., etc.).

    Also I don't understand the comment about Saints Row 2's graphics looking dated. I thought the first game looked very good (bar the screen tearing and glitches of which the former was addressed by a patch) with a nice clean, colourful and sharp art style and decent animation. In fact, I still do think the game looks good. It's certainly a huge step up in terms of detail from the GTA's of old on the PS2 and Xbox, those are visuals that I would call dated. Saints Row is only two years old after all and if Saints Row 2 only looks the same then my eyes are going to be content. Thankfully there's a V-Sync On option built into the game too which kind of negates the reviewers comment in the first paragraph about the game having tearing! ;)

  • Ninja_Tino #34 3 years ago

    £16!!! Cheers guys. The choice between 360 and ps3 is now an easy one with that!

  • richie9997 #35 3 years ago

    Ordered this off Tesco.com last night, because of the price.

    Quite looking forward to the weekend now after reading this. If Tesco don't honour the deal I might have to go and pick this up full price. Really enjoyed the 1st game!

  • menage #36 3 years ago

    Wow, didn't see this coming.

    Still not buying it. Need money for other stuff next week.

  • cyacomini #37 3 years ago

    "...compared with the deftly filtered visual richness of something like Grand Theft Auto IV..."

    Sarcasm yeah?

  • PearOfAnguish #38 3 years ago

    Excellent. Knew this would be good. BETTER THAN GTA4.

  • PearOfAnguish #39 3 years ago

    It really wasn't though.

  • PrivateJoker #40 3 years ago

    This site is so going downhill, reviews, trolls etc, almost makes me tempted to go back to IGN again, i said almost.

  • Vanmunt #41 3 years ago

    Right, didn't get involved yesterday but EG seriously... I just pissed myself laughing at this 9 a fricken 9... hahahahahahahahaha.. you have seriously EG lost any semblance of credibility over the last two days. It is clear that the reviewers are either susceptible to a few quid in the back pocket or are seriously just taking the piss. For me it is the last review I read or comment on, I think I will stick to reading Edge and GameTM and look careful at the reviewers... as Dan ‘I love Lego Batman, but not anything actually decent’ and Rob ‘i love shit games, with pop up, texture collisions and pathetic swearing’ are pillocks.

    SWame score as LBP, honestly you cant make this stuff up.

  • andywilkie35 #42 3 years ago

    I'm enjoying the troglodytes all having a go at this game

    I played the original Saints Row yesterday to get myself ready for this and was anticipating playing about 20 minutes of it just to remind myself of how good it was. I ended up playing for three hours just having a shit load of fun! Whilst I thought GTAIV was a really good game, I had much more fun with Saints Row. I thought EG would give this a 6 or 7 just to please the GTA fans but its good to see they've done a proper review. Can't wait for this

    "Hmm noticed the big Saints Row 2 banner ads around the page... "

    Means nothing. Dead Space and Star Wars The Force Unleashed both got 7/10 and had banner ads around the page.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 09:14

  • JYM60 #43 3 years ago

    lols at this.

    They just get their most critical reviewers to do the sony games.

  • ElectricDemon #44 3 years ago

    Godamnit, as if there weren't enough games coming out, now I have to buy this?! =P

    Seriously tempted, but I never played the first game, does that matter at all?

  • PearOfAnguish #45 3 years ago

    Oh for gods sake. Why is it every review has to have someone moaning like a baby? "Wahh I don't agree with the score, I think it should have got less/more."

    IT. IS. AN. OPINION.
    You may not agree with the score, but that doesn't make it wrong and it doesn't mean reviewers are on the take. It just means you are, for some reason, unable to fathom why someone else would like something when you don't. Stop being fucking idiots.

    "This site is so going downhill, reviews, trolls etc, almost makes me tempted to go back to IGN again, i said almost."

    Please do go back. You can go cry about their reviews instead.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 09:11

  • nickthegun #46 3 years ago

    Yay. The game GTA4 should have been, rather than the po-faced effort that it turned out to be.

  • beastmaster #47 3 years ago

    You can all piss and whine all you want. The review for this game have universally been excellent. Same with LBP etc. It's not as if EG has given something that's been getting a 6 or a 7 in other reviews a 9.

    However, I'm very surprised by this. One thing that comes through is just how much fun it is to play. You remember fun? I'm be buying this on Friday. Wasn't on my list at all until about a week ago.

    Can't wait to see fanboy reaction when Fable 2 gets a 10. Bring it on!

  • syphaa #48 3 years ago

    wow, wasnt expecting such a good review.
    Really enjoyed the first one, but didnt think it was gonna live up to GTA.

    Impressive!

  • Trane #49 3 years ago

    Cool review I thought.

    Co-Op is always a big plus for me so I may well give this a try even though I'd never even heard of it until now!

    Lold@ the hotdog pic/caption too :)

  • mattigan #50 3 years ago

    Bye bye then

  • smernicki #51 3 years ago

    not sure why the gang areas is such an innovation- san andreas anyone?

    i would buy this if i had more time to spare but i don't and i'm saving my pennies for gears 2 :-(

  • GiNGHamster #52 3 years ago

    Nice review but watch out for the spoilers at the start!

  • Sir_TimAlot #53 3 years ago

    Can't say i'm suprised, the first one was better than the GTA games that came before it it (close call with Vice City)
    I was gonna buy this regardless of review scores based on the fun i had playing the first one and now i see high scores i'm totally pumped, may have to pop back to COD5 WAW beta when they increase the level cap though.

  • arjan #54 3 years ago

    Was still a bit on the fence about this one, but..

    /orders \o/

  • gooners2006 #55 3 years ago

    im gonna preorder this from Tesco......£15 for the PS3 version is a steal

  • Gearskin #56 3 years ago

    Golden Axe?

  • Dizzy #57 3 years ago

    I don't play games with "bling". Sorry.

  • rob76 #58 3 years ago

    nice...looks like it has what GTA4 badly missed...FUN!!

  • toy_brain #59 3 years ago

    Well the Tesco thingy turned this for an 'on the list' to a 'bought' (well, preordered I guess).
    Hopefully they honour it, if not, might still see if I can get it elsewhere for around £30.

    Thanks for the heads up Joel.

  • kangarootoo #60 3 years ago

    "the radio stations are understocked to the extent that the '80s station seems to play The Final Countdown at least three times an hour"

    Tbh, if you listen to any commercial radio station for a significant period you will probably find the same sort of turnaround time.

  • login_name #61 3 years ago

    I didn't like the first at all, it just came across as a cheap imitation, but this actually sounds good. Like the game GTA4 should have been. Although, less gangsta crap next time please.

  • ShineDog #62 3 years ago

    The first game was slated horribly, and horribly unfairly.

    I was dubious on the first one going in, until you realise that while it is based around the framework of GTA, it is nothing LIKE GTA, and anyone that argues that its a carbon copy doesnt really game very much.

    It's a trillion times more bombastic than GTA (You dont spend half an hour taking sweet for chicken, you kill 20 guys on your first mission) it plays the gangster aspect for laughs (anyone who thought it was chavish, seriously? these characters are ludicrously exagerated deliberate stereotypes. Every single voice actor is having a great time.) and you get to derail trains. what more do you want?

    I love GTA4, its thrilling and dramatic, but its not always fun, (and the radio is the worst in the series but thats besides the point)

    Saints row gives you comedy nonsense and explosions.





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  • JaysonG #63 3 years ago

    9 POW! Right in the kisser.

  • tenaciousdt #64 3 years ago

    so it has NOTHING to do with the massive Saints Row 2 ad covering the home page?

  • Scimarad #65 3 years ago

    Er, massive ads haven't stopped EG slagging off games in the past so I doubt if this is the exception.

  • Razz #66 3 years ago

    I wish I got in on that Tesco doodad. :/

    This absolutely brilliant. Somethign to tie me over until LBP comes out.

  • DAN.E.B #67 3 years ago

    so it has NOTHING to do with the massive Saints Row 2 ad covering the home page?

    i doubt it! mercs 2 got a shit sore
    maybe the game is you know ........good
    i enjoyed the first one more than GTA

  • DUFFMAN5 #68 3 years ago

    Why the hate for the game ? same for the first which was excellent. The score...............so what! as it has been said many times you can not moan because it got the same as LBP, totally different genres.
    People are allowed to slag gta you know. I have completed all the gta games on ps2/xboxs and can say that SR stands shoulder to shoulder and in many cases head and delts* above the 3D gta series. This doesn' mean gta4 was crap.

    *didn't want to type shoulder again.........bolloxs
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 09:53

  • Rodafowa #69 3 years ago

    Any idea if they've sorted out the cars from the first game? The cringeworthy gangsta stuff I could live with. Cars that handled like they were in an 8-bit racing game I couldn't. If they've got the vehicles closer to the cartoony, enormo-fun ones from Vice City or San Andreas that'd be great.

  • chicknstu #70 3 years ago

    It's because of all the innovations over GTA, such as 'Mid mission checkpoints' and 'Variety'

  • Darren #71 3 years ago

    @ShineDog - LOL @ your Saints Row is nothing like GTA comment.

    So this game doesn't have a large free roaming world where you can steal cars and shoot people then or follow through a mission-based storyline? At a basic level, Saints Row *is* like GTA, especially San Andreas (as someone pointed out earlier) with its gang-culture theme. The difference is that it offers you different things to do like the insurance fraud, etc. and you have "homies", but to suggest that it isn't anything like Saints Row is quite frankly ludicrous IMO. All the reviews of the first game pointed out its similarities to GTA, the developers even acknowledged its influence and I'm sure most people who've played the game would agree that they're close cousins not distant relatives. But as they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, etc., etc. ;)

  • PearOfAnguish #72 3 years ago

    "It's because of all the innovations over GTA, such as 'Mid mission checkpoints' and 'Variety'"

    And 'fun'.

  • ShineDog #73 3 years ago

    I said it was based around the framework, which it is. But the actual pacing and the combat focus couldnt be more different.

    Saints Row is all about absolute chaos. It's not about a slightly misfiring emotional plot, its about drowning men in shit and throwing yourself in front of trains to claim insurance money.

    So sure, its got similarities to GTA, but the reviewers at the time seem to have obsessed over that and completley ignored the fact that the game doesnt FEEL anything like GTA.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 09:59

  • kinky_mong #74 3 years ago

    Fantastic News! The first of my pre-order choices gets a glowing review. If this arrives Thursday while I'm off work it will make my day.

  • Triggerhappytel #75 3 years ago

    A nine?! Great stuff, I wasn't expecting that.

    This review sounds a lot like this game follows in the footsteps of the PS2 GTAs, whereas GTAIV went down the realism route. There's room for both in the market, it seems.

  • Widge #76 3 years ago

    Cringeworthy gangsta shit is what I cannot live with. Make a game enjoyable without going down the route of having the same amount of class as something like Epic/Disaster/Superhero/Scary Movie.

  • Dezm0nd #77 3 years ago

    wow a heavily advertised game on the same site which gives it 9 out of 10.

    And who says the games journalism industry is corrupt ;)

  • Wendelius #78 3 years ago

    As someone who hasn't played the first game but might be tempted by this one, I'd have like the review to address 2 additional points:

    - What's the single player campaign like (already mentioned in the comments)? Are the missions interesting? When you go into sandbox mode, can you also steal bikes, helicopters, ...
    - What are the controls like? I've only played GTAIV and got used to the controls relatively easily. Is this similar? Equally user friendly? What's the handling of the vehicles like?

    Rob, can you comment?

  • PearOfAnguish #79 3 years ago

    "wow a heavily advertised game on the same site which gives it 9 out of 10.

    And who says the games journalism industry is corrupt ;) "

    Yeah, just like Mercenaries 2, a heavily advertised game which went on to score an amazing 5/10.

    Tit.

  • skillian #80 3 years ago

    If you'd been reading the previews across the web for this, you'd know that it was getting pretty much universal praise, so I'm not surprised it's donw well in the real review here.

    As a PC player though, I'm now stuck over whether to get this or GTA IV (which comes out next month) - I must admit, I'm now tempted to go with this, and pick up GTAIV on the cheap next year.

  • Lexx87 #81 3 years ago

    Wow, wasn't expecting such high praise really. My problem is that I seem to be in a minority of people who loved every single moment of GTAIV and didn't find it boring in the slightest. This seems like it could compliment that though, otherside of a well polished coin as it were. Damnit, another one to go on my heavily crowded list then.

  • captainrentboy #82 3 years ago

    9/10, fuck that! No I haven't played it, and no I don't like GTA-esque titles, but this title's definitely only worth a 7/10! I'm getting a bit sick of EG being bought off by the ad providers on here, it's all corrupt I tells ya. Just like with EA and Dead Space, I bet they were like ''Sure we'll put ad banners on your site, and give you looooads a money, but only if you give us a 7/10, that's the deal baby! Like it or lump it''.

    But seriously, have I missed something? Because that is definitely Mel C popping up on the SR2 ads. Did she get her face scanned or something?

  • imamazed #83 3 years ago

    This review fails to even mention Saint's Row 1. From the content it sounds like the same game; and so I won't be interested. It's mindless fun for about 5 minutes, but it lacks any of the humour, soul, immersiveness, or depth of gta4.

  • Dezm0nd #84 3 years ago

    PearlofAnguihs said: "Tit."

    First off, calm down mate. You seem to be defending this game quite alot. Why?

    Secondly, people, like Pearly, on the internet get so mardy over something which they're not affiliated with in anyway. I bet you don't either work for Eurogamer or THQ so get off your emo horse.

    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 10:13

  • pyrat6 #85 3 years ago

    Well done to EG staff for not getting stroppy at the delusional "no wonder it got a high score it's advertised here" comments. It's a bit much to attack writer's integrity on the the flakiest circumstantial evidence.

    I didn't play GTA long enough to get bored with it. Like others I found the style a bit po-faced, a bit weighed down with it's own sense of self-importance. (not saying it was a bad game - just not my sort of thing).

    However ! I did enjoy stealing cars with people still in them. No ransom mini-game so I just drove the cars into the river.

    Does anyone know if this game features an annoying insecure clingy little fuck who keeps phoning you up for games of pool, strip clubs and the like ? That's pretty much a deal breaker for me.

    Edit: Pears of Anguish. Seconded ! It's a Tit all right ...
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 10:15

  • Snarky #86 3 years ago

    WOW! Did not see this one coming at all! I thought it was going to be really crappy hehe.

  • kangarootoo #87 3 years ago

    "so it has NOTHING to do with the massive Saints Row 2 ad covering the home page? "

    Yawn

  • FooAtari #88 3 years ago

    "Hmm noticed the big Saints Row 2 banner ads around the page..."

    What are these ads you speak of?
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 10:15

  • FabricatedLunatic #89 3 years ago

    I'm currently playing the first one and I'm not terribly impressed. Don't like the vehicle handling, the side missions are plentiful but mostly dull, and the environment lacks the character of a GTA game. The sequel sounds like more of the same, so I'll pass for now.

  • mikeck #90 3 years ago

    @ Dezm0nd

    I think he was getting 'mardy' because you are about the twentieth person to make a comment about the SR2 advertising having an influence on the score, when previous posters had blown this simple argument out of the water.

    Try reading other comments before coming on here and blowing your mouthpiece off ;)
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 10:17

  • Vanmunt #91 3 years ago

    for the chavs.

    And while we're on the subject of complaints, there are a fair few. Here's a (by no means exhaustive) list: the mildly racist stereotypes; the casual sexism (and the spasmodic convulsions of the lapdancers); the entire plot; the lameness of the swearing; an enemy gang boss who can survive 26 direct hits from a rocket launcher and still appear in the subsequent cut-scene without a scratch; getting stuck on bits of scenery; members of your own gang who run you over at the same mission-critical moment three times in a row (or who unleash torrents of gunfire upon mission-critical NPCs who you're supposed to spare); and even the not-so-occasional game-stopping crash, although with Microsoft's track record of hardware failure, who knows whose fault that is)

    Lifted from IGN...

  • Darren #92 3 years ago

    @ShineDog - I still disagree with you.

    When I played Saints Row, I was reminded very much of GTA, only this game was obviously far better looking visually. The problem I had with the first game was that the humour and excessive swearing in the cutscenes felt very forced, like the developers were trying too hard to copy GTA instead of making Saints Row its own game. That's just my opinion though. Let's face it 80% of the time, you play these games outside of the main plot where the story and characterisation are non-existent so 80% of the time both games are more alike than not.

  • chrisjm #93 3 years ago

    so you';ve played it then captain?

  • Bi50N Verified Head of Global Communications, THQ #94 3 years ago



    "9/10, fuck that! No I haven't played it, and no I don't like GTA-esque titles, but this title's definitely only worth a 7/10!"

    this thread totally delivers :)

  • Vanmunt #95 3 years ago

    also lifted from IGN UK 7.5... being my point.

  • PearOfAnguish #96 3 years ago

    "First off, calm down mate."

    I am calm, love. Just because I called you a tit it doesn't mean I'm sitting here with steam coming out my ears. I'm feeling very relaxed this morning.

    "You seem to be defending this game quite alot. Why?"

    Because you're 50th moron to come on here whining like a child that EG only gave it a positive review because they were given advertising, purely because you don't agree with the score. In other words, you are a tit.

    "Secondly, people, like Pearly, on the internet get so mardy over something which they're not affiliated with in anyway."

    Who is mardy? I just (rightfully) pointed out that you were a tit, you tit.

    "I bet you don't either work for Eurogamer or THQ so get off your emo horse"

    I would like to see an emo horse. Does it have loads of mascara and long hair covering one of its eyes?

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #97 3 years ago

    "with its immense scope, fun physics and focus on entertainment over realism or grit, Saints Row is what GTA would have become if Rockstar North had followed Vice City to its pimpin' conclusion"

    Which is what Rockstar should have done.

  • knocker #98 3 years ago

    But IGN Lichtenstein gave it 8.00002334322234. So not only is it not as good as LBP, better than Halo3 (which they only only scored at 8.000023343222339) but Eurogamer staff actually spent time writing the code for this game in return for some advertising revenue - and spent their time off hand delivering it to shops.

  • Darren #99 3 years ago

    8.0... 7.5... 8.5... who cares... Saint Row 2 is evidently a good game, particularly if you enjoyed the first game which had its fair share of issues and grievances. It doesn't seem to be getting mediocre reviews which is surely a good thing.

    People really should pay more attention to the words of the review not the score as a good review should tell you in a mostly objective way what the good and bad points of a game are such that you can make an informed decision on whether to buy it or not. Pretty obvious really.

  • PatrickEwing #100 3 years ago

    wasn't expecting that to happen

  • Triggerhappytel #101 3 years ago

    @ captainrentboy -

    Yeah, I thought that looked a lot like Mel C, too. Only sexier.

  • smernicki #102 3 years ago

    they missed out on answering the most important question IMO-

    do you, at any point, get a look at Tera Patrick's snarler?

  • MrDurandPierre #103 3 years ago

    Wow, wasn't expecting that. As someone who bought into Tom's 10/10 GTA IV review and wound up sorely disappointed, I'm not really expecting much from Saint's Row 2, but Rob's so enthusiastic about it that I may have to give it a rent. Of course, with all the great titles coming out soon I may not get around to it, but it's at least on my radar now and I'd like to try it.

  • rhubarbandcustard #104 3 years ago

    Can't believe how much hate GTA4 gets from everybody. One of the highlights of this year's games calender for me.

    Will definitely wait for this one to plummet in price before buying. Does the Saint's Row brand carry any weight? I don't think so, but should be a fun game.

    At the very least it's another city to explore and blow shit up in - gamer terrorist that I am :)

  • andywilkie35 #105 3 years ago

    at the end of the day, I thought the first one was better than GTAIV and I will clearly enjoy this one even more. Job done

  • BiscuitBase #106 3 years ago

    Wow I wasn't expecting it to score this highly, might have to check this out

  • siro #107 3 years ago

    Vanmunt: You promised that the comment from the last page would be your last on Eurogamer. So stick to your word and be gone.

    You'd get a 2/10 here. Prolly a 7 on IGN though.

  • smernicki #108 3 years ago

    oh dear, someone dropped the n bomb...

  • Darren #109 3 years ago

    I guess I'm one of the few that loved GTA IV too but I most confess that I didn't particularly rate GTA: San Andreas at all, it felt too big and empty and I didn't like the storyline either. Saints Row was a much better game IMO even if the storyline and humour were a bit meh. GTA IV was better though, much more coherent and I loved the story. I certainly had a lot of world of fun playing it. A game doesn't have to be silly or have crazy mini-games to be fun after all.

  • aldo_14 #110 3 years ago

    I've not seen or played this game or its prequel, but I don't like the look of it (it's strange and foreign) so it must be a 7/10. Maybe a 6, but I've not seen it in Currys yet so I can't give the definitive verdict.

    Also, it's only an opinion if I disagree with it. Otherwise it's fact.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 11:05

  • Vanmunt #111 3 years ago

    @SIRO

    You would probably rank a high 11/10 on chav.com, as this is still the same thread I guess I wasn't making any false statment... so don't get your hoodie in a twist.

  • Mr_Brown #112 3 years ago

    Fantastic. A definate buy for me. The graphics (in comparison to GTA IV) was never an issue for me. I really enjoyed GTA, but I found it boring once I had seen most of what it had to offer. I've been seeking a game I can just mess about one, with both single player and online co-op. Saints Row 2 seems to exceed expectation. I knew it was going to be good, just wasn't sure how good. Cannot wait to get it!

  • siro #113 3 years ago

    Oh you're right. I'd still bet against you not coming back. I'll let my boyz check on you! Don't have the time to do it myself as I have to run chavcentral.com.

  • kinky_mong #114 3 years ago

    And while we're on the subject of complaints, there are a fair few. Here's a (by no means exhaustive) list: the mildly racist stereotypes; the casual sexism; the lameness of the swearing; getting stuck on bits of scenery; and even the not-so-occasional game-stopping crash.


    You can level all those criticisms at GTA 4. Especially the sexism which wasn't very casual at all.

  • ciril #115 3 years ago

    Nice review. Will get it for my PC :D.

  • Santino #116 3 years ago

    this sounds like it could be quite fun, an element i thought GTA4 was severly lacking. Obviously GTA4s city is one of the best realized worlds in any game though, i just thought the game itself was pretty average, and especially the story went to hell after the first 3rd of the game.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 11:23

  • SaitanMar #117 3 years ago

    Looks good, GTA4 was great but defiantly not as fun as past games in the series.

    Still think San Andreas was the best in the GTA Series. Glad to see Saints Row keeping it fun like it should be! at times GTA4 wasn't that much fun.

  • Vic #118 3 years ago

    Wow, look at all that Saints Row advertising on the website. IGN and OXBM gave this 8/10, and they're normally a lot more generous with their scores than EG.

  • Monkey_Puncher #119 3 years ago

    Looking forward to it!

    Nice to see in this day of Tom Clancy games and analy attentive realism, we can still get games that are just fun for funs sake.

  • BadBoyBonner #120 3 years ago

    Fact is the games are so similar (GTA 4 & SR2) that due to the rather exaggerated 10/10 review for GTA IV (which was a solid 8 in my book) there is no way EG could have given SR2 much less than a 9.

    More so when SR2 seems to embody the very essence of what made us all want to play from GTA III onwards - 3D sandbox fun.

    No doubt if each game had the others title - SR2 would be considered technically better than GTA IV but boring.

    Even the "cheats" in GTA IV are boring - where's the flying cars, the jetpack, the ninja and clown theme's, monster truck (invisible cars - which was surely a dig at SR1), and how come nobody owns a BMX all of a sudden?

    Rockstar set out to make GTA IV a more serious game and they achieved that admirably - just not sure that that equates to being a better game.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 11:54

  • NickJC1 #121 3 years ago

    Most websites have given Dead Space great reviews in the 90% range, Eurogamer gives it 7. Most websites have given Saints row 2 failry good 80% reviews, Eurogamer gives it 9/10.

    Seems to me Eurogamer doesn't know if it's coming or going lately, their credibility on reviews is about 0 right now.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 11:57

  • BartonFink #122 3 years ago

    Too many games !!!!!

  • rumrum4444 #123 3 years ago



    I was thinking of buying LBP but now...


    NO MORE !!!


    WHO NEEDS A CHILDREN´S GAME WHEN WE HAVE...



    ....SAINTS ROW 2 !!!



    Bring it on !!!



    .

  • bigbadbeasty #124 3 years ago

    I am pleased to see that SR2 is getting the love it deserves. I really enjoyed the first one, infact I played in more than any of the GTA games.

    Now the only qyestion I have is: Do I get it on PC or PS3...?

  • the_dudefather #125 3 years ago

    So no 10/10 eh?, Mario Galaxy is still better. Dead space was a big old flop, and so is the "other" big 360/PS3 game of 2008. 2008 Year of the 'proper games console'...lol, the game is a flop, it's official.

    For all the 360/PS3 fans that will post after this message I say this to you. Better luck in 2009, Wii beat you down and made you cry in 2008. Monster hunter goes to Wii, fatal frame goes to Wii. Dead space and Saints row 2 flop on the only review site that matters. Wii music will show you how to reach the high scores you dream of every night while you stroke your HD graphics and normal controllers,

    I'm off to bed, this score is going to keep my smiling all day tomorrow, why?, because Mario Galaxy scored better. Every one of your tears makes me smile PS3/360 owners, so cry , cry like you've never cried over a review score before. Remember all the nights you looked at Saints Row, getting your hopes up for a good game. Well now those hopes and dreams are gone so tell us how it feels.Think of how butt hurt you are right now, let it all out PS3/360 owners,

    so much floppage, this will not end well.

  • shotgun44 #126 3 years ago

    Yesssss, this game was always gonna be awesome! Roll on friday

  • siro #127 3 years ago

    BadBoyBonner: You shouldn't generalize that much, I found GTA4 to be much, much improved over its predecessors.

  • BillyBrush #128 3 years ago

    Vanmunt

    You are king of the Chavs

  • Darren #129 3 years ago

    LOL @ the_dudefather!

  • Widge #130 3 years ago

    I rate the_dudefather's comment as "better than halo"!

  • Triggerhappytel #131 3 years ago

    @ the_dudefather

    I *almost* clicked the ignore button until I realised that that rant looked a little familiar. Heh, nice one.

  • Altrezia #132 3 years ago

    So, what format are people getting it for, what is best?
    EG?

    360/PS3/PC?

  • KreyAtiv #133 3 years ago

    Definitely looking forward to the customisation options. Also half tempted to re-create my character with the "I got blown up and the jail doctor tried his best with his shakey hands to put me back together" look. :D Wonder if there are any scars in those options. :D
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 12:37

  • mikeck #134 3 years ago

    @triggerhappytel

    You've got to love his cut and paste jobs...ahem. Always goof for a laugh that one :)
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 12:41

  • snafu65 #135 3 years ago

    How can an obviously mediocre game like Saints Row 2 get 9/10, oh wait a minute what about all these ads plastered all over the website, ah now I understand.

  • Daikon #136 3 years ago

    So this is like GTA IV but then actually FUN, with no annoying "friends" who keep on calling you on your cell because they want to go bowling?

  • mikeck #137 3 years ago

    Can we please get all the comments about the advertising influencing the score out of the way - this has been done to death. Other posters have proved this to not be the case (other games with similar adverts getting 5's and 7's). For the love of the rest of our sanity, please read the other posts before commenting yourself!

    I realise the concept of reading may be hard to you, seeing as you're the ones who just read the score and then moan, but please do us a favour...do one.

  • FrankCannon #138 3 years ago

    Nobody used to argue this much over board games. Computer games are the Devils reproductive liquid.

  • Kiigan #139 3 years ago

    "our homies follow you around, shoot your enemies and aggro the opposition to give you a bit of room, and they're key to succeeding at the game's tougher moments."

    What does aggro mean?

  • Darren #140 3 years ago

    @Altrezia - I'm getting Saints Row 2 for the 360 since that the platform I played the original on. I prefer the controller and there's Achievements, not that I care much for the latter to be honest. Seems apt that I should buy it for the 360 really.

    I've seen footage of the PS3 version (the streaking mini-game) and it looked jaggier than the 360 version but that might be because it was footage from an older build. Hopefully that is the case.

    The PC version is an unknown quantity... it has the potential to be the best version assuming it's decently optimised, you have a high-spec system and it supports the Xbox 360 (or similar) controller. Well unless you prefer mouse and keyboard controls that is. Sadly, my current PC wouldn't be able to run the game as well as the 360 so it's a bit of a no-no for me.

  • mingster #141 3 years ago

    Brrapp-brrapp...take that daawg.

  • PearOfAnguish #142 3 years ago

    "What does aggro mean?"

    Aggravation. It means you attract the attention of enemies by walking near them or attacking.

    "So, what format are people getting it for, what is best?
    EG?

    360/PS3/PC? "

    I want the PC version but there's a complete absence of information about it so far.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 12:47

  • 1Dgaf #143 3 years ago

    I think its unlikely EG were swayed by advertising. I remember some WWII game got a 3 or a 2 a while back, as, with SR2, the site was plastered with adverts for it.

  • Kiigan #144 3 years ago

    PS the GTA games have featured territory control stuff at times. It's not unique to SR2.

  • mikeck #145 3 years ago

    @ Kiigan

    "our homies follow you around, shoot your enemies and aggro the opposition to give you a bit of room, and they're key to succeeding at the game's tougher moments."

    What does aggro mean?"

    - It's a term usually used with MMO's in mind - they basically aggravate the enemy, meaning they don't focus attacks on you. So your homies can deal with the enemies whilst you flounce around looking for the objectives :D
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 12:48

  • CapnCloudchaser #146 3 years ago

    What is it with people saying the review is inaccurate because the first game wasn't that good?

    Don't people realise that games can actually be improved with time?

  • mikeck #147 3 years ago

    "What is it with people saying the review is inaccurate because the first game wasn't that good?

    Don't people realise that games can actually be improved with time? "

    Stop with your rationality - that concept ruins comment sections!!! :p

  • T4RG4 #148 3 years ago

    Hmmm... what!? 9? Wow.

    Thought the first one was boring and lacking in the graphics engine dept. (Maybe I'm GTA'd out?)

    I cant stand all the pimping and bling this seems to exude, that puts me off straight away. I dont play SP GTA anymore because that became so bland (seen it all before) that I switched off. It goes back in the drive now and again just to muck around in free-roam with my brother over Live. Great fun there, and worth the purchase alone, just. What with playing FIFA then L4Dead and Gears2 on their way, I still wouldnt be interested in Saints2. A lot of titles coming out, only the best survive.

    If it'd scored this highly and come out first, I wonder if things would have been different... However, more people know of and respect GTA (for all the fun times it gave) so it'll probably dominate for another couple of releases at least.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 12:58

  • Altrezia #149 3 years ago

    Thanks Darren.

  • drumbaby #150 3 years ago

    Betterer than Turds of War.

  • mungolikebeans #151 3 years ago

    Why do none of the ads on Eurogamer contain Tera Patrick? The blonde girl is hot, but Tera......

  • BBIAJ #152 3 years ago

    @ JaysonG:

    http://pet erpowrightinthekisser.ytmnd.com/

  • WinterSnowblind #153 3 years ago

    So you guys are trying to claim Eurogamers was paid off for giving it a 9? The lowest score the game has recieved anywhere has been IGN UK, which only gave it a 7.5. Everywhere else it's recieved high 8's - solid 9's.

  • mkreku #154 3 years ago

    And this is coming out on the PC! I'm so happy :D

    Tera Patrick, here I come!!

  • oxymoron #155 3 years ago

    Currently has an 83 on metacritc, so EG are above average in their review, horses for courses i reckon. I personally had this pegged to be equally as potentially wank as fiddy's blood on the sand. just goes to show abut people's misconceptions at games they have never played.

    /looks at LBP comments

  • skyman #156 3 years ago

    9/10. I am truly speechless o.O

  • MilkYMoO #157 3 years ago

    I'm shocked, I never expected this to be so good.

  • loopholezero #158 3 years ago

    the lack of information regarding the PC version is annoying, to say the least. the status is TBC on THQ's site right now.
    game sounds good, though. hopefully not all the humor will be cringe-worthy.

  • YeOldeGamer #159 3 years ago

    "...people who understand that what made GTA fantastic wasn't just stealing cars and thumping people, but humour and character."

    That pretty much sums this game up for me and also hits the nail on the head as to why GTAIV was such a disappointment.

  • slayaz #160 3 years ago

    I have never been a GTA fan, and never played the first one, but this review just made me part with my hard earned cash...

    Shame i couldn't find it at Tesco for less than £35
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 14:35

  • Barry619 #161 3 years ago

    Been waiting for this all year, i've put up with GTA, now lets play the fun version!!!

  • kangarootoo #162 3 years ago

    "Currently has an 83 on metacritc, so EG are above average in their review"

    Above average by 0.7 points on the "out of 10" scale.

    And assuming that they round to the nearest whole number, they are actually potentially only 0.2 points above average on the same scale.

    Just goes to show how arguing over a single point of difference in an "out of 10" scale is madness, as the way the score falls could actually come down to 0.1 points out of 10. That is like 1%.

    Seriously.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 14:36

  • knocker #163 3 years ago

    Yeah but that 2% is purely down to advertising.


    (I love all these comments about the advertising. Especially the way everyone makes them sound like *they're* the ones who have unmasked some massive conspiracy and they are the only ones supremely intelligent enough to see through it.)

  • Darren #164 3 years ago

    @YeOldeGamer - Well I thought GTA IV was fun *and* had humour and character. In fact, I'd say it's my favourite game in the series since I started playing GTA III on the PS2.

    I really don't understand where all this GTA IV hate is coming from - it's like it's suddenly fashionable to hate the game - but if I was Microsoft/Rockstar I'd be worried about who is going to be left to buy the promised DLC for the game. LOL

  • PotajiTo #165 3 years ago

    Totally agree. SR 2 rocks!

  • YeOldeGamer #166 3 years ago

    @Darren

    I hear you, but I can't find as much humour in IV as previous titles (I think LCS was the least funny).
    Maybe when R* set out to create a fairly accurate depiction of post-911 culture, they succeeded a bit too well.
    But IV does have it's moments, just not as many, for me at least.
    Also, I really don't like the characters in IV. The McCreary's in particular make me cringe. Perhaps that was R*'s intention though!

    As for the hate? Well since it came out there's been one patch (Which didn't fix all issues for all people), no extra online game modes, and still no official word on the DLC. Maybe gamers aren't as patient as they used to be.

  • Monkey_Puncher #167 3 years ago

    How many patches were released for San Andreas?

    All the humour and character was still abundant in GTA IV, they just went for a more serious tone to the main story. The radio stations were hilarious, some of the best adverts and dialogue so far in GTA games. That's something Saint's will never be able to touch, the humour in Saints Row was awful, badly written overly sweary and attempting to offend people to get laughs.

    SR2 will be played and enjoyed though, even though the script and the dialogue is bound to be cliched and crass to the nth degree, the game will still be fun.

  • Jonathan_Fakenham #168 3 years ago

    It puzzles me how after a full review and 180 comments no one has bothered to mention how it compares to the original. The entire review even read like it could have been a review of the last game really, only now with co-op play. I mean, it's the same city even, with perhaps some new gameplay elements added, and a new story mode, sure.. But what's new? In what way is this not just a slightly more polished version of the same game?

    So my question then is can I just skip this as I overplayed the last one, or is this really shitloads of fun I should be having _right now_??

  • loopholezero #169 3 years ago

    "the humour in Saints Row was awful, badly written overly sweary and attempting to offend people to get laughs."
    like harold and kumar 2, you mean ?

    if SR2's writing is bad enough, it might just spoil the game for me, regardless of the gameplay. but hey, maybe the shit spraying "activity" is not the best of what it has to offer in the funny department.

  • smelly #170 3 years ago

    From reading this review - am I right in thinking this is everything GTA4 *SHOULD'VE* been?

    (as in - fun.. and not boring and shit?)

  • Darren #171 3 years ago

    Depending on which review you read of Saints Row 2, the script, voice-acting and humour is either great or not so great! I guess it's a bit like the original game then because I felt it was trying just a bit too hard to be shocking and adult and it came off as a bit crass, kind of like a 12 year old trying to act big and tough. It didn't stop the game being lots of fun to play but IMO it didn't even come close to the narrative or dialogue in the recent GTA games IMO. It didn't have particularly memorable characters either.

    If this has been improved for the sequel then fine it'll increase my appreciation for the story but if not then it won't really affect my enjoyment of it in the long run. Good stories and dialogue are nice to have in any game but they're not really essential in a sand-box game.

  • bonker #172 3 years ago

    Very happy for the SR guys that this has received pretty much universal acclaim.

    The main reason for getting up from 7-8/10 to an evenish 9/10 is that it's thrown off the stigma of the 'GTA wannabe' shit it had with the first game and can be viewed on its own merits and also ramped up it's appeal to the max as the anti-GTA (particularly now IV has been and gone) and the dropping in of the 'new MP' of co-op is golden.

    Well done boys.

  • Moonprince #173 3 years ago

    Can't wait for people to play this and come to a certain realisation...

  • staypuft82 #174 3 years ago

    I think I wont buy this until I'm finished with the DLC for GTA4. I'm worried that I won't want to play GTA after playing this just in case its better........ although I doubt it will be, I hope I'm wrong though.

  • Darren #175 3 years ago

    @Moonprince - ... which is?

  • spudsbuckley #176 3 years ago

    Enjoyed the hell out of the first one and can't wait to get my hands on this.

    If it's anything like the first the 9/10 is well deserved.

  • ronuds #177 3 years ago

    Wow...EG rating a game higher than the rest of the internet? A first maybe?

  • makeamazing #178 3 years ago

    I am enjoying GTA4, its of high quality, but it was the first GTA that I purchased on a console rather than a PC, and i have to admit I think i prefer these games on PC.

    The main issue i have with GTA is that Vice City (or was it San Andreas).. they were moving the game forward alot and it was fun, and the gang war was good (except the missions stopped it :( But with every main release they take lots out and kinda start again. Its like GTA takes one step forward and two steps back. Im sure the new release of GTA will be bigger and better.. but i wish they would just build on the world they have already created.

    Not convinced about this game, not sure if I want another GTA style game on console (maybe PC for me)... will wait and see.

  • Tetsuo_Shima #179 3 years ago

    You're right, makeamazing, the three PS2 GTAs all had a individual features that made them stand out. GTA 3's was a fantastic, gritty, grimy and involving storyline framed by interesting characters. Vice City's was humour, style and plenty of enjoyable bits on the side (like the property market and the mini-missions that entailed). San Andreas had an amazing game world, a wealth of customization if you fancied it and really nailed the vehicles handling and modding nicely.

    Personally, I reckon GTAIV should really have just been the sum total of the best bits from the previous three games rolled into one with additional graphical frip-frappery and a more dense and absorbing environment. If that'd been the case, I don't think many people would have felt let down by it. Unfortunately, it's storyline fell flat on it's face after the first hour or so (picked up a a little near the end, not enough to make it interesting), the characters were absolutely forgettable, the only hint of humour was Brucie, it lacked the number of odd-jobs i've come to expect from GTA games, the game world was saturated but a bit samey after the second island and, for some reason, Rockstar ditched 3/4 of the fantastic customization of San Andreas (no car modding, about 2 clothes shops, no tattoo parlours nor barbers and a pretty lean selection of firepower). It amounted to a moderately enjoyable, free-roaming and pretty sandbox game; but they forgot to put in the sand.

    I think the developers of SR2 have looked at that, thought 'well let's step in here and offer up what was inexplicably omitted from GTAIV' and seem to have made a cracking game out of it that puts volume and substance ahead of Slavic style. I'm buying it. The only problem is that, with Fable 2 coming up and Fifa 09 taking up most of my gaming time, something's gonna have to be sacrificed. I think I'll wait until it drops in price, first.
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 18:30

  • itsfuzzy #180 3 years ago

    1st game was piss. . . This is more of the same piss.

    fuck the 9/10 review that is piss as well.

    Keeping my dough for a real game like Fallout 3


  • ASHBERY76 #181 3 years ago

    Have you played either dickhead?

  • evilboo #182 3 years ago

    if this game is a 9 my bitches are homeboys.

    and the last one was shit so this one probably is too. it had no sense of humour and was written for 11 year old boys who masturbate to 50cent.

    wassup!

  • canIdoyabombsforya #183 3 years ago

    Good review. The first Saints Row was an improvement on any GTA game at the time, it was only slated for performance reasons (at a time when people were still anticipating the PS3 to be a supercomputer)
    Looking forward to this.

  • captain-future #184 3 years ago

    first sandbox game since Vice City

    did I mention my pre-order?

  • bonker #185 3 years ago

    "Well of course it looks dated, you reviewed the PS3 version, lulz. "

    I hadn't noticed that.

    I wish they would review multiformat console games on the premier platform FFS.

  • White_Westie #186 3 years ago

    cant believe its a 9 out of 10...I know they are different games, but would you put this on a par with little big planet? I wouldnt...

    A bigger score than cod2 and cod3 as well..

    Although everyone says it fun, its not really re inventing the wheel to me;
    Luckiily everyone is entitled to an opinion so I will pass on this and perhaps wait till it hits the bargin bins before thinking about it :-)

  • bonker #187 3 years ago

    "TBH (while I don't buy into the EG review conspiracy crap) I'm slightly dubious of the glowing review seeing as the first game was so bad but I might try a demo. Problem is though the worst thing about SR1 was the gangsta theme for me, like a chav talking "street" it was truly cringe worthy. "

    See I just fail to see what the problem was with the first game, I really do. I can only assume it's people with hard expectations set by the GTA series. I've never played any of the GTA games so I had a blast with SR and I'm really looking forward to this too.

    As for the gangsta shit, to me at least, this is Ali G "gangsta", i.e. a complete (self) pisstake of gangsta/hiphop/whatever culture, how could you possibly take it seriously??!!

  • PsychoBoyJack #188 3 years ago

    A 9 out of 10.... Really?
    I mean, its funny and stuf, but a NINE out of TEN? For real?
    I ve Eurogamer very high in regards towards their scoring system, but i think this is way to high (even if i havent played this game).
    .....9 out of 10.
    Sjeez

  • bonker #189 3 years ago

    "(and the spasmodic convulsions of the lapdancers"

    /pre-orders

    /twice

  • RedSparrows #190 3 years ago

    I don't think I've seen a game like this get higher on here than it did on IGN. Ooo.

  • smelly #191 3 years ago

    "I ve Eurogamer very high in regards towards their scoring system, but i think this is way to high (even if i havent played this game). "


    Sometimes in these threads i cant tell if people are being ironic or moronic...

  • Shinji #192 3 years ago

    I wish they would review multiformat console games on the premier platform FFS.

    I've got review code on both platforms, and played both pretty extensively before reviewing the game - so whatever you consider the "premier" platform to be, consider yourself catered for. If there were any major differences, they would have been mentioned.

    Regarding the humour, which a lot of people have mentioned - I liked it. The scriptwriting in general seems solid and pretty funny, to me at least. If anything I think it should appeal to British sensibilities fairly strongly; there's a lot of what I'd consider very British humour in there, especially if you select the "Cockney Gangster" option for your character's voice. Frankly, if you're going to take offense at some creative swearing and the odd misogynistic reference, you probably shouldn't be playing games like GTA and Saints Row in the first place...
    Edited by 1 at 14/10/08 @ 22:52

  • bonker #193 3 years ago

    "I've got review code on both platforms, and played both pretty extensively before reviewing the game - so whatever you consider the "premier" platform to be, consider yourself catered for. If there were any major differences, they would have been mentioned. "

    K. Perhaps you should take care to mention the equality too - the expectation that the PS3 implementation will, in some way, be weaker has been built up by yourselves to the extent where I now 'expect' the 360 to be the better version. I'm not fanboying, it's just the impression I get with the constant drubbing the PS3 has been getting in EG's own comparison articles although, admittedly, it seems to be closer more recently ...

    "Regarding the humour, which a lot of people have mentioned - I liked it. The scriptwriting in general seems solid and pretty funny, to me at least. If anything I think it should appeal to British sensibilities fairly strongly; there's a lot of what I'd consider very British humour in there, especially if you select the "Cockney Gangster" option for your character's voice. Frankly, if you're going to take offense at some creative swearing and the odd misogynistic reference, you probably shouldn't be playing games like GTA and Saints Row in the first place... "

    I had no 'sandbox' experience at all prior to SR but still utterly fail to understand how anyone could take anything in the game seriously - is it not immediately obvious that it's an exaggerative pisstake?!

  • brommers #194 3 years ago

    @Tetsuo_Shima

    +1000000

  • DUFFMAN5 #195 3 years ago

    Play.com are packing my copy as we speak. I went for the pre order version with a couple of codes for in game extras. can't wait until Fri.

    @ shin, well said and spot on. I'm a southerner so it will be the cockney option for me.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/08 @ 11:12

  • kinky_mong #196 3 years ago

    Cockney Gangster voice?! It just gets better! I didn't think it was possible to make this game even more of the antidote to GTA4 's po-faced seriousness but they managed it. I'm praying this arrives tomorrow from Play to help make my day off work even better.

  • andywilkie35 #197 3 years ago

    My order with Play is also "packing" and has been for hours, I'm just hoping they don't do what they did with the last game I preordered (Infinite Undiscovery so its not like they ran out of copies) and leave it in "packing" for 4 days so they send it the Monday after it comes out. Hopefully what'll happen is it'll be a Devil May Cry 4 or Bully situation where it arrives on the Thursday!

    edit: I'm from the east end of London so cockney gangster it is!
    Edited by 2 at 15/10/08 @ 11:47

  • mikeck #198 3 years ago

    ""I ve Eurogamer very high in regards towards their scoring system, but i think this is way to high (even if i havent played this game). "


    Sometimes in these threads i cant tell if people are being ironic or moronic... "

    I was just about to remark on the above statement too. I hate marmite (although I've never eaten it).

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #199 3 years ago

    Disappointed in the number of GTA bashing comments.

    Its that syndrome people have when something becomes a huge mainstream hit which instantly makes it shit in their eyes.

  • DUFFMAN5 #200 3 years ago

    From play.com at 11:30

    To: duffman
    Your order for Saints Row 2 (with Pre-Order Pack and Play.com Exclusive Personalised Sleeve Offer) has been posted.

    Fookin great. I wonder if I can finish Bully tonight or tomorrow, only 60% to complete!

  • knocker #201 3 years ago

    @chaz
    Its that syndrome people have when something becomes a huge mainstream hit which instantly makes it shit in their eyes.

    Not in the slightest. I wouldn't have spent money on a game just to have the opportunity to slate it later on. I wanted to like it - really. For me it had a poor £'s:hours played ratio. Not saying it was bad - not just not my sort of thing. Overweighed with a sense of it's own expectation, importance, seriousness, whatever. I just didn't find it fun.

    And it had the single most annoying video game character in the form of his useless, whiny, insecure, clingy cousin. If there is ever a patch so I can shoot him in the face at the start of the game I would try it again :)

    This game seems to address the things I didn't like about that game, albeit at the expense of other areas - but mostly areas I don't care about that much..

    It's called an opinion. I could just as easily type
    Its that syndrome people have when something becomes a huge mainstream hit which instantly makes it brilliant in their eyes.

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #202 3 years ago

    Fine knocker, I'm old enough to appreciate people have differing opinions to mine. Just disappointed like I said, GTA is a brilliant game and lots of people seem to have had a big falling out with it.

    PS. how can you say it wasnt good value for pounds spent against playing time, I had to go to hospital and then lose my job within the same month before I had the time to finish GTA4!

  • Altrezia #203 3 years ago

    For the record, I loved GTA4. Still play it now :)

  • DUFFMAN5 #204 3 years ago

    Most fun and enjoyment from any GTA , for me is V.C.
    Child of the eighties you see, many wonderful memories listening to soundtrack during missions.
    I think we all have to say that 4 was a bit po faced, save for Brucie who was class.

    Saints Row 2 will bring the fun back into our sandbox lives

  • DUFFMAN5 #205 3 years ago

    Hi Mr B the game is being compared to GTA (obviously, it is the same genre) and in many quarters it is being viewed as maybe better. this may have something to do with the hate.
    I think SR1 was better than the all the previous gta's (apart from VC) I say that as someone who was completed all gta's and Saints, not just played a few hours in.
    On pro-mo vids and after reading lots of comments I think that SR2 is going to be a better gaming experience then gta4, and I think this is what is pissing people off. I like you find it hard to understand but hey who gives a toss as long as we like it.............
    We Will. I also expect to love the gta4 dlc when it comes out, at least I have kept hold of my game in anticipation.

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #206 3 years ago

    For the record I am not upset about saints row scoring high! :-)

  • Bluetooth #207 3 years ago

    Are the controls decent, unlike GTA4?

  • knocker #208 3 years ago

    @CHAZBIGPOTATO
    That's people for you. Fucking inconsiderate bastards having varying point of view.

    "PS. how can you say it wasnt good value for pounds spent against playing time, I had to go to hospital and then lose my job within the same month before I had the time to finish GTA4!"

    Well I didn't play it much. Never really got into it. I keep meaning to give it another try but there are too many bloody games to play.

    Losing your job and going into hospital just to finish a game is f'ing hardcore.



  • bad09 #209 3 years ago

    @ bonker
    "See I just fail to see what the problem was with the first game, I really do. I can only assume it's people with hard expectations set by the GTA series. I've never played any of the GTA games so I had a blast with SR and I'm really looking forward to this too. "

    Horses for courses I suppose. But despite making an exact lookalike and playing some of the game, I couldn't help but turn off and turn on old GTAs. It's hard to rationalize but for all the flaws (and every game has a few!) GTA just kind of takes hold if you REALLY get it (sorry for sounding like a snob). :)


    "Most fun and enjoyment from any GTA , for me is V.C.
    Child of the eighties you see, many wonderful memories listening to soundtrack during missions. "

    + infinity dude!

    But I still think GTA4 is amazing and honestly don't get the "boring" "dull" "s**t" comments. I REALLY can't see it, hell I even have fun just listening to music watching a taxi ride!

  • octavedoctor #210 3 years ago

    I'm trading in GTAIV to get this on Friday...

    SR1 absoulutely rocked once you got into it, and made me laugh out loud so many times... GTAIV depressed n bored me to death...

    Can't wait to get back to 'FUN' in SR2

  • firm3d #211 3 years ago

    Saints Row's best feature: Keith David.

  • Darren #212 3 years ago

    I'm looking forward to the streaking mini-game for some odd reason... LOL

  • YeOldeGamer #213 3 years ago

    The ONLY question that matters is...
    Which console is it better on? PS3 or 360?
    WE DEMAND ANSWERS!!!

  • Albull #214 3 years ago

    "the radio stations are understocked to the extent that the '80s station seems to play The Final Countdown at least three times an hour"

    I fail to see the problem here

    /grows Europe style hair and dons super tight trousers

  • Miths #215 3 years ago

    @Albull
    Gotta agree on that one :p. I was actually majorly disappointed by the radio stations in GTA4 - I think there might have been 6-8 songs at the most I genuinely liked (and San Andreas, from what I recall, was even worse). A sharp contrast to the brilliant 80s nostalgia trip in Vice City.

  • big_george #216 3 years ago

    9/10? have eurogamer team been playing a different game i played this today on the 360 and it was pants it was like playing GTA from 5 years ago, poor poor effort, if this is a 9/10 then you better give gears 2 10/10 regardless of whether or not you've played it.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 19:52

  • Altrezia #217 3 years ago

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    ]http://di ctionary.reference.com/browse/o...[/link]

    :) For the hard-of-thinking.

  • StrayBezza #218 3 years ago

    Sorry, I like Eurogamer and its usually fairly and accurate in its reviews etc. However, I am mighty suspicious over the 9 awarded to this game. Like most decent gamers ( I imagine) one can tell fairly soon by playing a release what kind of score it deserves or is going to deserve. I am 5 or so hours into this and, unless it has a monumental moment just around the corner, there is no way this is a 9 scoring game. Why? Well, It looks worse than the first one, it feels like the first one, yes it has some laugh out loud moments - mainly in the character creation set up and in general does nothing new. I understand that games don't necessarily have to innovate or push boundaries (although it helps) to score highly and that simple fun factor is very important. If its being scored on that basis how is it more fun than the first SR? or, indeed how is mercenaries less fun than SR2? (and that looked better than this and scored less I believe). With all the promo stuff splashed all over this site - sorry Eurogamer - but I smell a rat. Still, each to their own. I will be interested to see what others think of the full game............

  • Miths #219 3 years ago

    I've just played the first good hour and a half, and so far my main issue with this game - aside from the less than pretty graphics - is the car handling. Granted I've only been in six or seven different models so far - including an ATV - but they all felt very similar, extremely twitchy and with virtually no feeling of weight at all.
    This is a huge step back from the improvements made in GTA4 (if I recall correctly the previous GTA games were a tad twitchy as well, although surely not as bad as SR2?), and damn near impossible to go back to in my opinion. The cars and bikes and Mercenaries 2 had a vastly better feel to them as well - and were a blast to drive in first person view.

    And is it just me or isn't it possible to change to a different driving camera? I can live without internal cam for games like this, but the one in SR2 is a tad too far pulled back for my taste and only makes the driving experience even worse.

  • Altrezia #220 3 years ago

    Mine turned up today.
    Taking it back tomorrow. Woah, how badly over-rated is this game?
    Actually worse than the original imho.

    -a.

  • ChromeMud #221 3 years ago

    This game doesn't feel finished because of the glitches,bugs and lack of polish (360 version tested) :-

    I changed the control scheme from A to B at the beginning of the game but when I tried to shoot the gun whilst escaping on the boat it didn't work.Paused game,changed back to control scheme A and the gun worked so that was my first glitch/bug.

    Broken animations:- saw a ped repeatedly sit down mid-air then re-appear several feet where they should of sat,stuck in a loop.
    - hit a ped with a car,ped became stuck in bonnet constantly tumbling.

    General sloppiness:- Following cars around corners can completely disappear,cars can also spawn unexpectedly.
    - Peds generaly walk blindly into each other and don't react well causing them to judder around each other
    rather than walking around each other.Dumb AI or lack of a collision reacting animation?
    - Traffic doesn't move realisticaly,merely jerking to a set speed.Car AI can crash constantly into walls
    indefinitely until they get around the obstruction moving back and forth sometimes stuck in a loop.
    - Peds can annoy with repeated dialogue sometimes repeating from more than one character at the same time.

    In comparison to GTA IV, Saints Row 2 has far more variety in it's game play but suffers greatly because of the severe lack of polish to it's AI,animation,graphics rendering and physics.
    Saints Row 2 feels like it's hiding it's faults by displaying ludicrous rag doll physics in near zero gravity and awful pedestrian animation and dialogue.You get bored of seeing the same peds constantly giving you the finger and the dialogue that starts off funny quickly annoys after repeated moments.
    In the end,you can' help but compare GTAIV to Sains Row 2 and in doing so you will love one more than the other.
    I ended up going back to GTAIV and despising the new pretender to the sandbox crown.
    Saints Row 2 has quantity but GTAIV ultimately has quality.

    I give Saints Row a score of 6.
    Hope this helps but I'm getting rid of my copy of SR2!

  • smelly #222 3 years ago

    Was playing this all last night.. Enjoying every minute so far.

    Which was more than i couldve said for gta4 on first play.

    - So far.. Better than gta4... and everything gta4 should've been if they'd stuck with actually making the game "fun" as opposed to devoting all their efforts on the renderer, shit camera angle during driving, and awful physics system.

  • Barry619 #223 3 years ago

    When comparing the 2 it basically comes down to this:

    If your a all the time serious, gotta to have uber-polished graphics with as much realism as your ever going to get in this type of game, you'll prefer GTA4.

    If your a gamer who actually remembers a day when games were about having FUN and not trying to be as close to real life as possible, then Saint's Row 2 (and 1 for that matter for all the people who missed it!) will be better.

    Personallly i prefer Saints Row (1 and 2) over GTA now-a-days, but i still think GTA4 was a must-play game, another think gamers seem to forget now we live in this time if deadly serious games is that it it's actually possible to have two games of similarity and they can both be worth playing! or dare i say it, even more than two :o *shock, horror*

    Now stop your e-beef and go and enjoy the most fun game to come out in 2008.


    And just in response to ChromeMud's rediculous "review", there will always be graphical glitches in a game this big, you make it sound like a GTA game has never had any! If i was as idiotic as you i could list about 3 pages worth of graphical glitches during my 40+ hour playthrough of GTA4.
    Edited by 1 at 20/10/08 @ 10:59

  • alroste #224 3 years ago

    I totally agree with Chrome on this, I got SR2 for a bit of a laugh but the game is atrocious. Vanishing cars, pedestrians popping out of car roofs when you shoot them and the animation i lacking (i jumped out of a plane from thousands of feet and it was like my ped was frozen. no arm or leg flailing) so I will be hoping I can get ASDA to take this back on Friday and I'll grab a real game.

    GTAIV did lack a lot of the crazyness and fun of San Andreas, but it was and still is a far better game than this supposedly 9/10?

  • ChromeMud #225 3 years ago

    @ Barry619

    No need to flame me,I was just giving my opinion and comments on the game.My opinion may be valid by those
    who value quality over quantity.If you think fun is seeing bodies thrown around like they were made of sponge
    or cars that drive like remote control toys no matter what model of car then more for you.
    GTAIV may be more realistic but I think that makes it more fun when you do go on an insane killing spree.
    'Saints Row 2' is so easy even on hardcore,the police are wimps,just stand your ground kill,rinse and repeat,
    not that fun IMO!

  • Remy85 #226 3 years ago

    I got this because of you Eurogamer.

    I think I'll stop reading your site now...

  • paulf #227 3 years ago

    this game is probably the silliest game I've played in ages - im loving it for that though. Just one problem I cant seem to get a multiplayer game on the ps3 - just hangs on the second screen where the matched players are shown, anyone else had the same problem? anyone know how to alleviate it?
    cheers

  • muttler #228 3 years ago

    I didnt like SR1 at all, but I love this game and I seriously agree with a 9/10 or a high 8 score. Even though the graphics arent great it's quite a silly (and very fun) game, tons to do, customisation, etc and it's all lol hilarious. GTA4 was amazing while it lasted, cinematic cutscenes etc, but after completion (which didnt take as long as SA or VC) I never touched it again. Controlling the planes and helicopters with the sixaxis is wicked. I too thought SR1 was trying too hard to be all sweary and macho to garner as much interest as possible from a certain section of the GTA customer base, but SR2 really has found it's own niche as a fun game next to GTA4's serious and brooding story driven game.
    Only bad points for me= disappearing cars and pedestrians and slightly rubbish gfx. I cant recommend it highly enough.

  • coomber #229 3 years ago

    Had the exact same problem paulf. Gave up trying to get multi-player to work. Shame, as I loved the single-player campaign.

  • jonsaan #230 3 years ago

    Just finished it. Totally agree with the score. So much fun. I couldn't put it down.

    For me, this peed all over GTA4 which just seems so.....dull....in comparison.

  • keith123 #231 3 years ago

    The gameplay in this game is pure crap, especially the driving. I'm not going to elaborate as I couldn't be arsed.

    It's a weak game and is DEFINITELY NOT A 9/10 GAME BY ANY MEANS.

    Poor form EG, you creditibility is taking a bashing of late and rightly so.

    I've heard of metacritic but if anyone knows a site with decent reputation for rating games send me a message, thanks.

  • keith123 #232 3 years ago

    @warzin

    What planet are you on???
    Driving mechanics are 10 times worse than GTA IV.

    Anyone thinking of buying - don't.
    edit: the controls are pretty crap too... Just had to get that in.
    Edited by 1 at 03/12/08 @ 20:47

  • wattoo #233 3 years ago

    best game i've played for the ps3.

    more fun than uncharted and gta4.