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Grand Theft Auto IV: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 Special Article

Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 Article by Richard Leadbetter

8 May, 2008

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Even without the Eurogamer comparison feature, the internet has been set ablaze by GTA IV PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 face-off discussions. But mere digital incendiaries are not enough for a release of this magnitude. It's time to go nuclear.

The biggest game of the year deserves the most in-depth face-off piece yet produced by anyone, anywhere, so we've massively upgraded the scope of our coverage and the amount of 'assets' you can view. There's still the same 720p and 1080p 24-bit RGB screengrabs taken from both versions of the game of course, this time using the new Digital Foundry TrueHD capture station, so why not take a look with the first of our galleries, featuring general gameplay shots?

Comparison videos appear to be all the rage, even though they're mostly low-res blur-a-thons that demonstrate absolutely nothing, so we decided to take a different approach. Our vids are encoded in supreme quality h264, but more than that, we've zoomed in on the action so you can actually see the difference. Unless otherwise stated, one pixel in the Eurogamer player corresponds to one pixel on your HDTV. Most of the clips are run at 50 percent speed too, again making the job of comparison that much easier, with more bandwidth dedicated to picture quality.

On top of that, there's an extra-special bonus too. Every video is embedded into the article, but there's a full-size, higher resolution link to the same material over at Eurogamer TV, offering a good 30 percent more screen area, with each clip reframed to make the most of the additional digital acreage. Use these if you want to link to our vids 'elsewhere'.

A sampler of what is to come can be found right here:

As there's a colossal amount of stuff to discuss, argue and insult each other about, we've broken down the feature into these areas:

The Basics

I think the most important thing to say right from the get-go is that there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Grand Theft Auto IV is a 10/10 game no matter which console you own. Having spent the last six days of my life playing both versions simultaneously, painstakingly matching up the gameplay and recording over 500GB of video captures in the process, everything in Tom's original review stands regardless of the platform you're playing it on. As one leading developer said to me the other day, "I think this game, like Crackdown before it, changes everything." Quite.

'Grand Theft Auto IV: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 Special' Screenshot 1

Yes there are some significant differences between the two games which we'll be going into in more depth later on in the feature, but it's important not to lose focus of the most important issue - that this release is an astonishing achievement. Content is king here, and until the extent of the Microsoft-exclusive DLC becomes apparent, the two games serve up an equally superb range of entertainment.

Even in terms of internet functionality the games are like for like. Similar to Burnout Paradise, the two games share all the usual online gaming accruements - the same levels, the same options, and very similar levels of performance, although obviously Xbox Live's servers have been coping better than the GameSpy equivalents behind the scenes at the PlayStation Network.

It's also clear to see that Rockstar has tried its level best to get the most out of both systems. Case in point is the Sixaxis support on the PlayStation 3 version. Regular readers of these features will know that I generally tend to find the motion sensor to be too imprecise to be worth bothering with, but at least here there's a sense that the programmers have tried to get the most out of it. There's a tutorial you access via the mobile phone that teleports you to the airport and lets you try out bikes, boats and helicopters - all of which offer Sixaxis support. Also invaluable is the way you can get the game to auto-calibrate Sixaxis each time the motion sensor is engaged, with the current position of the controller judged to be 'neutral'. This shows that some thought has gone into the control scheme, and there's no chance of your chopper suddenly lurching into the sky because your joypad isn't absolutely level.

Whether you actually find the motion sensor control to be anything other than a novelty remains a matter of personal taste. In terms of GTA IV, I find it decent enough with the boats, a trial with the bikes and short-lived and unintentional entertainment with the choppers. I honestly don't think that 360 owners are missing out on anything special by not having the same control system in their game.

Rockstar also makes use of the PS3 hard disk, with a mandatory 3,339MB installation of game data that takes around seven minutes. This doesn't do much for the initial loading of the game, which takes around 100 seconds on both systems, but certainly helps with mission loading, shaving a few seconds off each time a new task is initiated. There are also improvements in texture streaming as you navigate around Liberty City, but the advantages are barely perceptible.

Finally, a nice little touch is that the PS3 version of the game has much higher resolution versions of the various TV shows available to view in Niko's apartment. Additional camera angles are also included to show off the extra resolution - a cool bonus, somewhat reminiscent of a similar feature in Starbreeze Studios' PS3 conversion of The Darkness.

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keyboardmonkey
08/05/08 @ 13:22
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I think this could hit 500+ posts
Xerx3s
08/05/08 @ 13:23
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2000+ minimum.

/grabs chair
/hits frod over the head with it

Don't you even go there...
Azazel
08/05/08 @ 13:24
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So it begins.
Aretak
08/05/08 @ 13:24
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I haven't read the article, but I wanted to save my seat here. This'll be good.
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Can anyone give me a summary, I can't arsed to read the whole article :)

edit: is it too early for 'OMG PS3 cant to red cars!!!1' The shot with the explosion has a RED car on xbox 360 and w WHITE one on PS3 ;)
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Jheronimus
08/05/08 @ 13:27
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OMG... 1000+ posts, here we come!

/grabs a soda and goes of to read the article, while STILL waiting for the game to arrive by mail (crappy play.com!!!)
neil_likes_bums
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:D oh man i've been waiting for this war :D
Xerx3s
08/05/08 @ 13:28
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"Can anyone give me a summary, I can't arsed to read the whole article :)"

ps3lol/360lol. Depending on your pov.
monkie_king
08/05/08 @ 13:29
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/stops, drops and rolls
Xerx3s
08/05/08 @ 13:29
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"For all those who said this day would never come, what have they to say now"
Tejstar
08/05/08 @ 13:30
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Basic gist seems to be that the 360 is the one to get...
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08/05/08 @ 13:30
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The summary is that the PS3 version, whilst technically inferior to the Xbox version, graphically looks the same and sometimes better. But the difference is negligable. Which is why debating this issue pointless as the game speaks for itself. Brilliant game which is pretty the same on both systems. You can't ask for more.
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Widge
08/05/08 @ 13:31
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well, from what I've read... its a no win on either side, both machines have excellent copies of the games, the differences spotted are exactly what have been banged on about in the 900+ comment review thread.

Actually there is a winner, its everyone, going back to the best copy of the game being the one that is sat in your primary machine.
Clive Dunn
08/05/08 @ 13:32
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PS3 sucks, X360 rocks.

Or the other way round.

Whatever.
Kanselier
08/05/08 @ 13:32
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Thanks for the reply Xerx3s. In that case x360lol ;)

PSTRIPLE PLAYA 4 LIFE YO
CannonAnBall
08/05/08 @ 13:33
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Basically, the 360 performs better and Rockstar haven't quite cut the mustard when they've come to the PS3 version.

Do developers know what they are doing when they come to knocking out a game on the PS3? or is it easier knocking out a game on the 360?
Darkedge
08/05/08 @ 13:33
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so it's pretty much identical really - softer and warmer on ps3 but crisper and higher average framerate on 360.
Love the fact that the PS3 issue turned out to be a gamespy problem - why does that not surprise me ;)
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oh and in addition, I think this is going to be a horrific comments thread to read... there is enough ammunition contained within here for either "camp" to bang away at each other for the next few days.
Physically_Insane
08/05/08 @ 13:37
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Oh shit.......

btw this face off shit is retarded.
Putty Man
08/05/08 @ 13:37
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I reckon there will be at least 20 - 30 posts slagging the fanboys before the actual fanboys get a chance to say anything.

Fanboys and fanboy slaggers, sometimes I dont know which are worse.

Edit - great game too, whichever platform.
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Widge
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PUTTY MAN THE FANBOY SURFACES
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08/05/08 @ 13:38
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Does it really matter though at the end of the day?

Both games are the same game... both work to a high level of playability... surely it's just a case of getting whichever version you feel more comfortable playing? For example, I prefer XBox Live over PSN, but that's just personal preference.
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A more important question is, why does a nominally mature gaming site feel the need to run such a long, dull and ultimately immaterial article on a non-issue?

Edit: more important than the title of the article, not the above post.
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Can you not retract this and rewrite it to say one is miles better than the other? Just for the entertainment value, I don't care which. Go oonnnnn....
Calgon
08/05/08 @ 13:39
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Ive not read all of it yet EG but never mind the whiners, some effort has been put into this, like I say if you are going to compare do it properly.

Richard really went to town on this one... four pages... and videos?

I can hear Swam crying from here... but as Razz said despite which version has the technical edge, asthetically they are hard to tell appart some even prefering the PS3 version.

This should put an end to arguements on which version of GTA IV does what around here atleast(after the dust has settled in this thread), nobody got shafted on either format here, just enjoy the game.
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08/05/08 @ 13:39
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Who cares.
No-one notices such tiny little differences.
PLAY IT ON ANY CONSOLE AND BE HAPPY!

End.
Xerx3s
08/05/08 @ 13:40
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"A more important question is, why does a nominally mature gaming site feel the need to run such a long, dull and ultimately immaterial article on a non-issue?"

Fanboys = Pagehits = Income?
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I'm happy I got the 360 version now, the frame rate is pretty horrible, I can't imagine playing it at all if it was worse.
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hey hey though, 28 comments and not a rant so far! This isn't bad!
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although to the above, why does everyone moan about the framerate in this game, it performs better than San Andreas and we weren't moaning then!
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What's it like on the Wii?
Moonprince
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I think this game, like Crackdown before it, changes everything

Crackdown? Seriously? Changed what exactly?..
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08/05/08 @ 13:41
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As usual, I notice no differences in screenshots/videos.

360 is clearly the way to go for other reasons, couldn't care less about it having 1fps more or anything
asphaltcowboy
08/05/08 @ 13:42
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Is Eurogamer actually one of the four horsemen?
ruttyboy
08/05/08 @ 13:44
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I suspect you are correct Xerx3s :(
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4 pages of pointlessness.
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08/05/08 @ 13:46
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Oh god... here we go.

Where are these frame rate issues? Not scene any noticeable dips on either. Once on 360, but I think that was a disc read issue (some texture fecked up).
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"The summary is that the PS3 version, whilst technically inferior to the Xbox version, graphically looks the same and sometimes better. But the difference is negligable. Which is why debating this issue pointless as the game speaks for itself. Brilliant game which is pretty the same on both systems. You can't ask for more".

Indeed Razz, couldn't agree more ;)
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08/05/08 @ 13:47
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Good article, I'm glad I got the 360 version.
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Interesting that the 360 occasionally averages more than 30 fps. That means it must be spiking up to 60fps in the cutscenes, which is pretty impressive.

I found that looking out to sea can get 60fps from the 360 version, but then it's not exactly drawing very much ...

On the dithering thing, is it maybe possible that Rockstar want the dithering for artistic effect, but the PS3 couldn't spare the cycles to run the filter? It seems too obvious on 360 not to be a deliberate choice.
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08/05/08 @ 13:48
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Most people don't care, but some do so why not give them something to chew on.
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08/05/08 @ 13:49
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Bottom line for me is that Rockstar, while the king of content, simply don't seem to be good at the technical stuff. Nobody else could afford to release a triple-AAA title with such a bad framerate on a next-gen console.
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08/05/08 @ 13:50
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Signed, sealed and delivered.

I'm finally decided then, Rock Star won't get a Penny out of me for the bodged 360 port they're offering.
bdaggers
08/05/08 @ 13:50
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How could anyone have a bias towards the PS3 version after the most unbiased, exhaustive comparison. Good job.

The facts and figures are there, it`s gonna piss some people off, but it`s irrefutable. Get over it.

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08/05/08 @ 13:50
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YES!! THE 360 FUCKING WINS!!! YES!

WOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

/dies
Psychotext
08/05/08 @ 13:51
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Good article. I hope it ends all the pointless bitching and sniping but I know it wont.
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Anyone who thought the 360 version wouldn't be better was just kidding themselves. It was the lead platform and the PS3 does suck donkey ass.
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08/05/08 @ 13:54
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oh yea baby, NUCLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pity that rockstar were forced by sony to gimp the xbox version.......
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08/05/08 @ 13:54
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I have my PS3 set to 720p, and the game looks no where near as blurry as some of those videos. I actually wish it was blurrier, it's a complete jaggyfest at times.
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Let's start the 'Rockstar added dithering filter to 360 to make it look as crap as PS3' rumour mill right now :)
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Despite all the foreboding "WOOOO HERE WE GO!!!" comments, not a single 'fanboy' has stepped up to the plate yet.

Conclusion = No one cares. A great game is a great game.

A commendable effort with the comparison though it must be said, very detailed. I did enjoy reading it, just out of curiosity to see if there were glaring differences, which there are not.

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