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Gold Trading Exposed: The Sellers Article

MMO PC Article by Nick Ryan

25 March, 2009

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I asked him why he wanted such a role in the first place. "It's hard to find a job here and this job is easier to get. Also when I got the job I was quite young and I liked to play games."

As he went on to outline, the company boss (he didn't reveal the name of the outfit, "a very big company") rented computers in an internet cafe. "The computers that he rents are set up to only play WOW. The first gold farming company I was in was really big; I guess that this company owned at least 10,000 gold farming accounts. In my workshop there were 40 people who took turns to farm, some in the daytime, some at night. So the accounts are used for farming non-stop for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

Most of his fellow players were young: the oldest was about 35. The company was so big they never even met their boss.

Mr Li says when he was farming WOW pre-Burning Crusade, he used two level 60 mages to work the back door part of the Stratholme dungeon. "I did this instance again and again to get gold and loot. Other people used rogues to do herbalism, mining or finding rare monsters to kill. But I only used mages for farming."

Although he started playing in the internet cafe, later he bought his own computer so that he could play at home. "I could play half of the time and do farming half of the time," he says. "That way it is more comfortable and more convenient." His parents knew what he did and had even given him his own room "to do this work to help me earn money for our family."

When asked about his pay, he says there was no hourly wage in China. "I was paid by the day. Every day the workshop set a minimum amount of gold that we must deliver. If I can reach this target every day then I get the standard salary. If you get more gold then you get more pay. But it's so hard to get more gold and you will be so tired."

Could he make a decent living from all this farming? "Yes, but every day I feel very tired. You can imagine, every day I need to do at least 10 hours farming. I'm always looking at the computer screen and always seeing the same instance and the same mobs. So I feel very tired," he repeats.

Nor did he much like the job in the end. "The thing I like is playing the game. Some people are happy when they get new gear from an instance. It's the same thing for me: I'm happy to get gold in the game. But I don't think it's worth the hassle. This is only a game. I always feel that I'm wasting my time doing this job."

He believes that this boss was rich, though, and earned a lot of money from the business. "They must have the capital to rent the computers and advertise in the newspaper and rent a room for people to stay in. The boss must be rich to have the business relationship with the top people in the company who organise the business, run the website and sell the gold to European customers."

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SwagVault's offices in Beijing. The company is only five years old.

Li denied they were using hacked accounts, as often contended by players and MMO companies alike. "All our business was done by cash. We never dealt with credit cards. On Chinese realms, customers pay by cash, not credit card," he reveals.

When his European WOW account was banned by Blizzard, he switched to these Chinese servers, playing on his own and no longer with 40 colleagues. There, he says, he saw a very different attitude from the MMO company. "In Chinese realms you won't get your account banned for gold farming. It's treated as a very common thing in the game. In European realms, at the beginning it was fine and they didn't ban accounts. But later Blizzard banned so many accounts of Chinese gold farmers."

Now he sees the price of MMO gold plummeting, just like the real world, and says he wants to do something different with his life. "I don't want to do this for ever. I'd like to find a job that I really like and is suitable for me, so that every day I will have a real sense of achievement."

The Big Business

After speaking with Mr Li, I spent some time hunting down a gold selling company that would talk to me direct. It wasn't easy, but in the end one, SwagVault, agreed to talk.

"Sophia", a Chinese graduate in English who specialises in marketing (and doesn't play MMOs herself), told me something about the company's background. She says it was set up in April 2004 in Washington, USA, with branches in both China and Europe. It started out by selling WOW gold on eBay, later expanding into a "full featured website covering virtual currency [as well as power levelling, game guides and other services] for all the major MMOs in order to serve the US and European customers".

It is now the largest gold seller in China. Sophia's colleague, Benjamin, then explains that the company doesn't "farm" the gold itself, it "sells" it.

"We purchase the gold from tens of thousands of farmers. And we resell it via retail platforms like SwagVault. So to some extent we are an exporter," he claims. "The only difference is that the goods are virtual and the procedures are operated in an digital environment."

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anomagnus
25/03/09 @ 13:42
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whats the fuss, its better than working in a fucking foundry all day long!

Anyway, that girl at the end was cute, asian girls rock
JohnnyWashnGo
25/03/09 @ 13:44
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Nowt wrong with paying someone to play a game for you is there?

Oh except that it takes all the friggin fun out of it... jeez what a waste of time. If you don't want to grind through a game in order to level up, don't bother playing it.

Once again the old 'A fool and his money are soon parted' line springs to mind.
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25/03/09 @ 13:48
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A very good article. Actual investigative journalism. Good stuff EG, hope we see more of Nick's writing in the future.

@JohnnyWashnGo

People play games for entertainment, and if having a powerful or rich character is what creates entertainment for some players, who are we to complain? We can't just state "it takes all the fun out of it" like its some kind of fact. I'm not that into football games, so just playing a football game "takes the fun out of it" as far as I am concerned. Horses for courses, etc.

"A fool and his money are soon parted"
That is just something jealous people say about others who have money than them ;)
Azazel
25/03/09 @ 13:52
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Gi' fools their silks and knaves their on-line virtual currency transactions?
Azazel
25/03/09 @ 13:52
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Oh: and excellent article. More of this plz.
kangarootoo
25/03/09 @ 13:56
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"Gi' fools their silks and knaves their on-line virtual currency transactions?"

Is that some kind of modern Shakespere?
kangarootoo
25/03/09 @ 13:56
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;)
ps3owner
25/03/09 @ 14:02
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wow, interesting read!

I think I need to apply for a job as a Gold farmer...
Spekingur
25/03/09 @ 14:14
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So, wait, a farmer/seller will buy the game (and expansions) and subscribe in a legimate way?

So wouldn't the MMO companies be doing something illegal by denying service to apparent legimate accounts? Depending on the country the service is in, of course. Normally, in most countries, the customer is protected by some kind of consumer laws. I don't think anyone has taken on the MMO companies though, because of the EULA (which might be deemed illegal in some countries, companies putting themselves above local laws).
DoctorZoidberg
25/03/09 @ 14:16
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"A fool and his money are soon parted"
That is just something jealous people say about others who have money than them


It mean's nothing of the sort....

It means that it is easy for a foolish person to lose his money.

Edit : On topic, Personally, if you spend real money on "computer game money" then your a bit of an idiot. Playing monopoly you wouldn't give the banker £20 for a couple of 500's so you could be in a stronger position.
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swede
25/03/09 @ 14:19
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Very interestng and well written. Makes me empathise with why farming exists.

Ethically I personally wouldn't use farmed gold to enhance my character. However having started to play EVE a little, I have recently considered it as an alternative to subscribing. Example: On SwagVault 400M ISK is £7.99 which will easily pay for an in-game 30 day extension. Whereas a month's official subscription comes in at around £14 with the weak pound... I don't know if I want to stoop to doing this though - it all seems wrong - after all I will be funding the Mafia!
Eldritch
25/03/09 @ 14:35
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Great stuff EG!

To me buying gold is just the same as buying a clue book or ManU buying Ronaldo: You spent some real money on (hopefully) getting an advantage.
f01re
25/03/09 @ 14:57
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Fix the picture of their office on page 3 please...
swede
25/03/09 @ 15:06
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You.. you mean that's NOT the office???!
anomagnus
25/03/09 @ 15:18
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@JohnnyWashnGo

was referring to the fact guy is working in an office all day, and not in some fume filled machine shop

so, why don't you take your fool line and stick it where the sun doesnt shine
kangarootoo
25/03/09 @ 15:22
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"It mean's nothing of the sort....

It means that it is easy for a foolish person to lose his money."

Err, I know. I was bieng sarcastic.
kangarootoo
25/03/09 @ 15:23
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@DoctorZoidberg

"On topic, Personally, if you spend real money on "computer game money" then your a bit of an idiot. Playing monopoly you wouldn't give the banker £20 for a couple of 500's so you could be in a stronger position."

Really? Is it really that simple? What about spending real money on an extre suit for Dead Space, or an extra costume for Street Fighter 4, or an extra level for Fallout 3?

If the computer game money that you buy with real money can effectively get you extra content in the game that you wouldn't otherwise have... what exactly is the difference?
Azazel
25/03/09 @ 15:51
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@Kangarootoo:

Shakespeare!? Only Burns is worthy of such mangling!
mingster
25/03/09 @ 16:03
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Thats a cute glod farmer on the last page i'd swap glod with her any day.

I would actually buy gold or ingame currency if it saved me loads of time. not that i play any MMO's anymore but if i did i would buy it if it saved my from 100's of hours of boring grinding.
velimirius
25/03/09 @ 16:08
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good job mate,was interesting to read.
cheers!
hula hoops
25/03/09 @ 16:33
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Buying gold is great for people like me who don't have much play time. I'd prefer go to work, earn my salary and spend a fraction on that for gold, rather than skipping work for 'extra fun' grinding and get sacked at the end.

I don't find grinding for gold particularly interesting, on contrary it is boring and gave me headache. I'd prefer to spend that time having sex with the missus, playing with the kids, or go to the pubs with friends etc, and only play the interesting aspect of WoW ... ganking other people and laugh at their corpses.

But that was me ... a year ago.

Now I am so over WoW.
kangarootoo
25/03/09 @ 17:01
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@Azazel

I'm a philistine. All we read at school as Of Mice and Men.
Grump
25/03/09 @ 17:03
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This was the most interesting article I've ever read on EG. More please.
GamesConnoisseur
25/03/09 @ 17:23
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MMO's virtual economies having real world impact on our economies on this side!

So in translation say in the year 2021 (12 years away is all) a credit crunch started in a world wide popular MMO would then have a massive knock on effect on the real jobs and lives?

Frightening in a way!
Simonsays
25/03/09 @ 19:23
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dont see whats wrong with it to be honest .I used to play eve didnt the time really to spend shed loads of time mining pissing about i just wanted to blow shite up . so i decided up skill my caldari paid £5.00 on ebay for 250million isk .yeay!! i was like peeps in my corp moned bitched cried until i gave the name of the guy i bought it off on ebay and went and bought themselve ashed load more than me.

Anyway back to the point ,very interesting read and each to there own if you can only play 2hrs or so per day but in reailty to get what you want its going to take a damn sight longer ,fuck it you have the money they have something you want buy it and increase your fun.
Poorandugly
25/03/09 @ 22:22
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Insightful article, thanks!
Meho
26/03/09 @ 10:50
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Great article, thank you for this.
Hydrogene
26/03/09 @ 11:05
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Great article !
I may be naive, but it does not seem like an impossible task to find out the accounts that are farming gold and ban them. Or is it?
I guess Blizzard does not want to comment on the problem...
Kikizosan
26/03/09 @ 13:41
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No, it's not impossible to find and ban farming accounts. In fact, it's probably very easy. The problem is scale. There are so many of these accounts (for the more successful MMOs) that you either have to automate a banning system (which IS hard) or manually chip away at the problem.
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tumbleberry
09/08/09 @ 21:48
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It's okay to pay some Asian to “grind“ all day so that we can have our fun? That bespeaks a coldness I find sad. It also doesn't matter if those expensive jeans you wear to look hot were made by a 13 year old making 45 cents a day...nice. Very nice, people.
Another point is this – and no-one seems to be discussing it. There is an astonishing amount of aggression coming from the farmers. They are most often disparaging, smug, and sometimes downright vile. The western players are their “customers” yet they treat them very badly. And you people are still naive enough to buy their product? Doesn't make you look very good, despite the strutting you might do in front of your friends...
rsorder
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