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  • roz123 20 Mar 2013 11:32:05 7,113 posts
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    I prefer the term "Cowboys and Indians"
  • Gartt 20 Mar 2013 11:41:50 1,849 posts
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    Genre descriptions are generally vague anyway, you could say you like horror I could ask what type, or SciFi, what kind? every genre has subsets.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 11:43:15
    I like the one where we discuss whether Metroid Prime is a platform game or an FPS.
  • Mola_Ram 20 Mar 2013 12:37:08 8,255 posts
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    It's an fps, so shut up.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 12:37:37
    It's ok, I agree.
  • Mola_Ram 20 Mar 2013 12:40:49 8,255 posts
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    Ok, carry on then
  • Tonka 20 Mar 2013 14:31:56 21,336 posts
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    So where does this leave Red Sun?
    (The best Samurai film set in the Wild Wild West of the forever)

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 14:46:25 2,826 posts
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    Damn it Tonka!
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 14:57:21
    kalel wrote:
    Again, this comes down to what defines a genre, so no, but if a film is set in the west and is about cowboys and what have you, then yeah, it's a western.
    I appreciate the discussion has moved on, but I always took "Western" to be a set of aesthetics, much like Noir. Hence why Django Unchained could be considered Western even though it's set in the South (and arguably doesn't really involve "cowboys" ).

    Edited by meme at 14:57:32 20-03-2013
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 15:47:09
    meme wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    Again, this comes down to what defines a genre, so no, but if a film is set in the west and is about cowboys and what have you, then yeah, it's a western.
    I appreciate the discussion has moved on, but I always took "Western" to be a set of aesthetics, much like Noir. Hence why Django Unchained could be considered Western even though it's set in the South (and arguably doesn't really involve "cowboys" ).
    I'm not necessarily saying a film has to fulfill the criteria of being set in the west and featuring cowboys, however I am saying it it does fulfill those criteria it is quite definitely a western. So The Good The Bad and The Ugly is quite definitely a western, despite being made in Italy.

    Anything else is as you say more about a certain aesthetic or themes. Django I agree is a western, but I'm still not convinced Yojimbo and Seven Samurai are. I can see the argument, but not convinced.
  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 20 Mar 2013 16:10:55 2,456 posts
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    My head hurts...

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  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 16:14:56
    Yeah, I can see where there's overlap with SS and Yojimbo et al, but I wouldn't whack them in the Western genre either. Think your call of "Eastern" is a good one - identifies the genre overlap without relegating it into just some sub-genre underneath one.
  • Gartt 20 Mar 2013 16:40:46 1,849 posts
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    Precisely what I love about film, the ability to invert/subvert "rules" and preconceptions of what something "should" be. Everything is influenced by something, taking those rules and putting your own spin on them.

    John Ford influenced Kurosawa who influenced Sergio Leone who influenced Clint Eastwood who ended up coming full circle back to a traditional Western in Unforgiven.

    Might be a curio to point out that Kurosawa wasnt very well regarded in Japan as his films were seen as too un-japanese and too westernized and was always more successful in the west.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 16:43:08
    I wouldn't say The Unforgiven is a traditional western really. Eastwood's westerns are all quite Pekinpah like really. Very dark and violent.
  • Gartt 20 Mar 2013 16:49:14 1,849 posts
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    I can see that, I meant more the aesthetics than content, there are lots of long rolling shots of landscape and things like that. Very different and more traditional compared to his earlier films like High Plains Drifter and Josey Wales which seemed very Leone-like.
  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 16:53:07 2,826 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    I wouldn't say The Unforgiven is a traditional western really. Eastwood's westerns are all quite Pekinpah like really. Very dark and violent.
    Thing is though, I don't particularly enjoy traditional westerns either. They're boring as hell. Hombre is the film that really kickstarted it for me. Suddenly there's a gritty as fuck Paul Newman in a stagecoach lecturing a woman about malnutrition in a child and his hatred of western civilisation but how he goes out of his way to protect them regardless.

    What a great film.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 16:53:28
    Fair enough.

    Never really liked the John Ford ones myself. I do like Leone but I find some of them unncessarily long, and all of them a bit 'Italian'. I like Pekinpah a lot, and I actually like the early Eastwood ones as well. High Plains Drifter is great.
  • Gartt 20 Mar 2013 17:02:13 1,849 posts
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    There are only a couple of trad westerns I like really, Shane and The Searchers, for the most part they felt very xenophobic and my general dislike of John Wayne.

    I have a gaps in my knowledge when it comes to Peckinpah as the only film of his Ive seen is Straw Dogs
  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 17:03:15 2,826 posts
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    I don't enjoy the Ford ones myself either. Which is why I prefer Kurosawa, his realistic approach resonated with me. Maybe its why this discussion started in the first place...? :D

    Peckinpah is just great. The way his westerns deal with good and evil as interchangeable elements and his raw violence is so well handled. He humanises everyone and then has everyone shot full of holes!

    @Gartt: go see The Wild Bunch for starters. Then Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. And finally Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia; the last is probably his most accomplished film.

    Edited by khaz at 17:06:17 20-03-2013
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 17:08:03
    Peckinpah is a western director really. Straw Dogs is probably his only non-westen worth seeing. Maybe The Getaway as well.
  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 17:12:03 2,826 posts
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    I need to go and re-watch Once Upon a Time in the West again after all this talk now.

    /whistles THE tune
  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 20 Mar 2013 17:14:48 2,456 posts
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    So,er...who liked Taken then?

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  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 17:15:53 2,826 posts
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    Loved it. Haven't seen the sequel though, any good?
  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 20 Mar 2013 17:17:30 2,456 posts
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    Can it be classed as a western?

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  • Gartt 20 Mar 2013 17:22:17 1,849 posts
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    Well its set in the western hemisphere (at least the first one is)...

    Been meaning to pick up once upon a time in the west on bluray, the transfer is meant to be very good.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 17:24:19
    Funnily enough I just got it along with Unforgiven as part of the three for 17 on Amazon (Truman Show was my third).
  • khaz 20 Mar 2013 17:26:08 2,826 posts
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    Gartt wrote:
    Well its set in the western hemisphere (at least the first one is)...

    Been meaning to pick up once upon a time in the west on bluray, the transfer is meant to be very good.
    The transfer is outstanding. Get it now.

    Ahh, Truman Show. One of the few films I will probably love forever. There isn't a thing in it I don't like.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 17:27:10
    It is perfect yes. Literally perfect.
  • Deleted user 20 March 2013 17:27:45
    Iron Fisted - 10/10.
  • monkman76 20 Mar 2013 17:28:56 5,383 posts
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    That's a recycled joke ;)
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