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  • malteaserhead 25 Feb 2009 12:34:21 13,444 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    I would, but tilers are pricey, and I've just paid the plumber 3 ton. :(

    About 13 per metre squared here. Very reasonable given it can be a tricky operation to get it right.
  • Jeepers 25 Feb 2009 12:34:59 13,173 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    I would, but tilers are pricey, and I've just paid the plumber 3 ton. :(

    Ouch. What was that for? Could you ask him to do the tiling as a freebie?

    If not, I think Chopsen volunteered to do it for you.
  • Mike_Hunt 25 Feb 2009 12:37:13 23,512 posts
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    We got a tiler in to tile our kitchen. He broke our kitchen. We replaced the kitchen and I did it myself. Piece of piss if you get a decent tile cutter.

    [MH]
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 12:38:53 48,854 posts
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    malteaserhead wrote:
    Lutz wrote:
    I would, but tilers are pricey, and I've just paid the plumber 3 ton. :(

    About 13 per metre squared here. Very reasonable given it can be a tricky operation to get it right.
    A lto of the price depends on the tile size, and my tiles are a bit smller than normal (100*200)

    But even 15 per square meter would be good. Unfortunatly I was quoted between 280 and 350 for 12 square metres.

    Jeepers: That was for ripping out the old suite, and putting the new one in. I got 5 quotes; 4 of them were 450+. The guy who did it for 300 said that 450 ish was about right; a year ago. Now though plumbers are looking for work, but some of them aren't reducing the prices to help intice people.
  • malteaserhead 25 Feb 2009 12:39:03 13,444 posts
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    Piece of piss if your floors and walls are plumb, know what you're doing, have the right cutter and can take proper levels, know how to mix and grout, imo ;)
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 12:39:34 48,854 posts
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    Mike_Hunt wrote:
    We got a tiler in to tile our kitchen. He broke our kitchen. We replaced the kitchen and I did it myself. Piece of piss if you get a decent tile cutter.

    [MH]
    Yeah, got a good tile cutter. Just a case of putting up 600 bloody tiles. :(
  • malteaserhead 25 Feb 2009 12:47:31 13,444 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    But even 15 per square meter would be good. Unfortunatly I was quoted between 280 and 350 for 12 square metres.

    Aye. That's really high. Happy tiling! ;)

    Do you have any relatives in the building business with contacts you could chase up? It helps a lot in banging the price down.

    I only finished a complete re-doing of the bathroom this week (well it's a shower room now) and the discount I could get just because the aul fella knew the tile sellers, the plumber and the bathroom dood was unbelievable.

    The price on the shower alone was 1750 when I called in the first time. Took the amazing Marvin Haggler (i.e. Da) with me and got the shower, toilet, sink, taps, radiator, towel warmer, mirror and bog-roll holder for 1400. 0_o
  • Grunk 25 Feb 2009 13:08:08 4,718 posts
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    600 tiles should take about 3 hours.
    then another couple to grout(depending on the tile type)

    Why is it taking you so long?
  • Nexus_6 25 Feb 2009 13:19:21 3,876 posts
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    I have been down to an old 1890's office building that we are involved in the rennovation of. Got myself a crow/pry bar from b+q for 8 quid, and popped off around 45 original glazed tiles from the walls that will soon be covered with plasterboard.

    I am going to put them on my newly discovered fireplace hearth area in my flat! found a place online that does replica new ones for 2.50 each. I need 80 or so. :-)
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 13:25:03 48,854 posts
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    Grunk wrote:
    600 tiles should take about 3 hours.
    then another couple to grout(depending on the tile type)

    Why is it taking you so long?
    About 3 per minute? Are you kidding?

  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 13:25:31 48,854 posts
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    I may be doing it wrong...
  • rutter 25 Feb 2009 13:28:49 1,919 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    Grunk wrote:
    600 tiles should take about 3 hours.
    then another couple to grout(depending on the tile type)

    Why is it taking you so long?
    About 3 per minute? Are you kidding?


    Depends how many cuts you have to make. I'm quite nifty at tiling - but I agree, 3 per minute would be a very impressive rate!

    Grouting is the killer. I hate it with a passion!
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 13:32:57 48,854 posts
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    Bill Door wrote:
    Are you putting the adhesive on the wall or on the tiles?
    On the tiles.

    Cuts, I need to make about 2 per 8 tiles.
  • Grunk 25 Feb 2009 13:36:25 4,718 posts
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    Actually I reckon it's about 5-10 per minute on the large areas, and then it goes slower when you need to cut, perhaps down to 2 per minute.

    So you start at the most visible corner. then slap the adhesive on the wall (thickly) with a trowel. probably a band of ~ 1m wide should do.

    run the comb over it dropping excess back into the bucket , and then put the tiles on the wall in quick succession, leaving the top most (since you'll have to cut these) and go from one corner to another. then stop before you get to the last one. Do this for the two walls away from the starting corner.

    then you measure the width of the gap at each untiled corner, cut the required no. of tiles to this width, slap on adhesive, comb tile.
    then you do the other two walls.

    After that you just need to measure and cut the top row of tiles and stick to the wall.

  • malteaserhead 25 Feb 2009 13:43:40 13,444 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    Bill Door wrote:
    Are you putting the adhesive on the wall or on the tiles?
    On the tiles.

    Grunk wrote:slap the adhesive on the wall (thickly) with a trowel. probably a band of ~ 1m wide should do.

    run the comb over it dropping excess back into the bucket , and then put the tiles on the wall

    FIGHT!
    /bets on Grunk
  • Nexus_6 25 Feb 2009 13:44:54 3,876 posts
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    yeah Lutz you tile loser. lol
  • smoothpete 25 Feb 2009 13:45:06 31,362 posts
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    /employs Grunk to tile our bathroom
  • Nexus_6 25 Feb 2009 13:53:10 3,876 posts
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    Grunk's bathroom, yesterday
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 13:54:30 48,854 posts
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    10 tiles a minute? I doubt that...
  • Grunk 25 Feb 2009 14:06:54 4,718 posts
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    Are you saying that you can't bend down and stand up 10 times a minute?
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 14:10:30 48,854 posts
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    And get a tile on straight, and sealed on all 4 sides, and pushed into place nice and tight? Correct.
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 14:36:02 48,854 posts
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    I'm using a comb like spreader yes, but no spacers.
    The adhesive is also the grout (Designed to be) and the gap between each tile is about 1mm; smallest spacer I've seen is 2mm.

    On the plus side, these things are set absolutly solid. I'd hate to be the bugger who has to get them off eventually.
  • Grunk 25 Feb 2009 14:41:01 4,718 posts
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    the adhesive may also be the grout, but you are still meant to grout after the adhesive function has dried.

    i.e. use it as adhesive, wait a day, then use it as grout.

    As for spacers just cut a load of cotton buds in half and use them (perpendicular to the wall). You should also use spacers like this as they can often slip behind the tiles if you use them how you think you'd use them...
  • rutter 25 Feb 2009 14:48:09 1,919 posts
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    Well, in my previous two tiling projects I had put the adhesive on the tiles, then chucked em up. In future I shall do it the other way round. I can see it being quicker.

    I doubt I could hit 10 a minute though!!

    Agreed on the spacers perpendicular to the wall.
  • Lutz 25 Feb 2009 14:49:21 48,854 posts
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    Bill Door wrote:
    This "wipe excess off with a damp cloth" BS didn't work.
    It' sworking here. I set 3 tiles on, wipe down with damp sponge, and excess comes off. A *little* gets left behind, but I've also got a stiff brush that shifts it too.
  • jonsaan 25 Feb 2009 14:49:44 25,326 posts
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    Bill Door wrote:
    A word of warning on the adhesive/grout combo- the tiling was awesome, the grouting took me 3 times as long as it set like concrete and required scraping off with a stanley knife blade from every single sodding tile. This "wipe excess off with a damp cloth" BS didn't work. I'd use a proper grout IMHO.

    This. Wiping off excess grout might seem like a chore but it's an absolute mare if you let it dry. The residue that is left behind can be polished off with a dry cloth when it's all dry.

    FCUTA!

  • Mike_Hunt 25 Feb 2009 15:12:24 23,512 posts
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    When I was looking for tiling tips I went on youtube, and there was a polish tiler on there that tiled an entire kitchen (including resizing tiles) in less that five minutes. The dude was on fire. Probably worth a quick look to get some tips (I can't youtube from work).

    [MH]
  • Mageme 16 Apr 2009 14:53:45 1,995 posts
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    So I want to fix my leaking tap in the bathroom but, try as I might, can't turn off the mains water (stopcock tap thing) under the kitchen sink. It just doesn't budge; I've heard these tend to stick due to non-use. I don't particularly want to use too much force lest I end up with a broken mains and a flood on my hands, so should I a) call a plumber b)bring out the heavy duty spanner?

    3DS: 5086-1465-9252

  • billythekid 16 Apr 2009 14:56:05 11,034 posts
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    WD40 the bastard and let it soak in for a while.
  • Dougs 16 Apr 2009 14:57:19 66,728 posts
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    billythekid wrote:
    WD40 the bastard and let it soak in for a while.

    The cure to pretty much everything
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