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  • Derblington 13 Sep 2016 13:09:15 29,978 posts
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    @brokenkey
    Your video is private.
  • brokenkey 13 Sep 2016 13:13:57 9,139 posts
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    deleted: see post on previous page

    Edited by brokenkey at 13:21:19 13-09-2016
  • El_MUERkO 13 Sep 2016 13:35:33 18,266 posts
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    The HiSense M7000 is a UHD HDR10 LED LCD, it's very good and it's much cheaper that similarly spec'd competitors.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 13:45:09 29,679 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    I've got the 55". Here's a weird colour processing thing (not sure if it's the broadcast to blame, but it's not there on iplayer).

    https://youtu.be/0Mf8P0OJiKU (filmed in slo-mo on a Oneplus 3)

    To reprise my JL.com review, my key gripes with the TV are that for the cost, it fails in a number of areas.

    As a gaming TV, it's very capable. If you're sat dead in front of it, in gaming mode, it's great. But you don't have to be sat very far off centre before the colour washes out of the picture very quickly. If you're in a small room, close to the TV (7 feet), sitting in different seats on a 6 foot wide sofa will be enough to demonstrate this effect.

    In order to avoid the worst of the screen-area-localised judder, I've now put the main inputs into Game mode (was on Cinema mode)- in this mode the TV's doing no processing on the picture at all, which mean's its just acting as a monitor, and the cheaper models should achieve the same effect.

    The image quality (judder, other effects) seem to be dependent on the tv channel you're watching. We mostly watch Channel 4HD and BBC2HD , and its bad. ITV look good. DAVE SD) looks terrible. Turning up the smoothing processing results in videos which look like the mouth has been super-imposed onto the face (like those talking potato videos).


    Alternate low-lag options can be found here:
    http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag


    BTW: Has Quadfather got me on ignore?
    Interesting - thanks for the write up.

    I don't actually know whether my colours go wonky when I sit to the side. I'll have to look at that.

    I'm still just trying to find one that is premium UHD, with low lag, around 55" that's less than a grand

    And no, you're not on ignore :)
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 13:46:20 29,679 posts
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    Also, is hdr10 the 10bit hdr thingy? or is it something else?
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 13:48:14 29,679 posts
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    I'm also still in that annoying situation where I can only listen to dolby atmos stuff on the ps4 in HD, and/or watch 4K on the xbox one s in dolby surround.

    This is really doing my head in :)
  • Derblington 13 Sep 2016 13:48:56 29,978 posts
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    Yeah, HDR10 is 10 bit. Dolby Vision is 12 bit. Most of the early HDR TVs from 2015 are 8 bit.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 13:56:22 29,679 posts
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    Gotcha, ta
  • MrMattAdz 13 Sep 2016 14:15:25 3,671 posts
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    You've probably already answered this a hundred times since the pro was announced derbs, but are you happy with the KS8000?

    I'm looking at the KS7000 at the moment which is a few hundred pounds cheaper but according to reviews provides pretty much the same viewing experience, and I'm not bothered about any of the advantages of the 8000 so no reason to spend more on that. input lag is just as low too, even with hdr apparently.

    Edited by MrMattAdz at 14:15:39 13-09-2016
  • Derblington 13 Sep 2016 14:21:48 29,978 posts
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    Very happy, yeah. I have the 65" model and I don't use it for regular TV (I don't use TV - I stream or download everything i want to watch).

    I've had no issues whatsoever, so for my use (Netflix, Youtube, consoles - games and movies, laptop) it's performing wonderfully. I've not tried any actual HDR content yet. I'm possibly going to order the Xbox S next week after going back and forth deciding on the console or a standalone UHD player, and then the PS4 Pro in Nov.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 14:32:06 29,679 posts
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    Hm, that KS7000 does look pretty good actually. It ticks all of my boxes except for cash.

    Though I must be blind - what are the differences between the 7000 and the 8000?
  • brokenkey 13 Sep 2016 14:37:40 9,139 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    Hm, that KS7000 does look pretty good actually. It ticks all of my boxes except for cash.

    Though I must be blind - what are the differences between the 7000 and the 8000?
    The LED lighting array is different between the two models. Refresh rate is higher on the 8000 (1000 vs 800 I recall).
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 14:41:32 29,679 posts
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    Ah right, ta.

    Hm, effectively 400 quid for a slightly higher refresh rate
  • Pazie 13 Sep 2016 14:48:38 1,160 posts
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    Could you go wrong with an OLED TV for all your gaming needs. I thought i had found the right TV with that Samsung KS7000 or KS8000. Totally gone off these TVs now, those reviews weren't on John Lewis site when I last looked.
  • brokenkey 13 Sep 2016 14:50:30 9,139 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    @brokenkey

    Ah right, ta.

    Hm, effectively 400 quid for a slightly higher refresh rate
    Oh, and the 7000 has legs on the end, which was no good for me as my TV stand isn't that wide. 8000 is a central stand.
    http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/137575-samsung-4k-hdr-tv-choices-for-2016-ks9000-ks8000-ks7500-and-ks7000-compared

    http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/137696-samsung-ks7000-suhd-tv-review-serious-performance-for-the-price

    "Where this panel differs from Samsung's Series 8 or 9 televisions is partly in dimming, with those top-tier televisions capable of more extreme dimming between zones. Here you have "UHD Dimming" where the top TVs offer "Supreme UHD Dimming". You will notice that on the KS7000 there's some bleed out from zones. For example, when white credits are shown on a black background, the centre of the display is lighter than the edges. This is one area in which OLED panels excel, but naturally, that would cost you a lot more money - and most of the time when the screen is full of colour, this isn't a problem.
  • MrMattAdz 13 Sep 2016 15:15:02 3,671 posts
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    Pazie wrote:
    Could you go wrong with an OLED TV for all your gaming needs. I thought i had found the right TV with that Samsung KS7000 or KS8000. Totally gone off these TVs now, those reviews weren't on John Lewis site when I last looked.
    The reviews on John Lewis aren't great, but for what it's worth the KS7000 is very highly regarded as one of the best 4K TVs you can buy right now by every professional review site I've looked at.

    The LG B6 which is considered by many review sites to be the best 4K TV you can get isn't fantastic for gaming, the input lag with hdr on is about 38ms but apparently it cycles between that and 55ms, it's the only TV that doesn't have stable input lag, but maybe this could be fixed with a firmware update? An unstable input lag time sounds pretty dodgy for gaming, but if it were fixed and it stuck to 38ms that would probably be acceptable for gaming. It costs Ł2800 for a 55 inch model though which is a lot more than the Samsung.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 15:27:34 29,679 posts
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    Cheers for the info.

    Is the lg b6 oled?

    Not that I can afford it, mind
  • brokenkey 13 Sep 2016 15:33:12 9,139 posts
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    MrMattAdz wrote:
    Pazie wrote:
    Could you go wrong with an OLED TV for all your gaming needs. I thought i had found the right TV with that Samsung KS7000 or KS8000. Totally gone off these TVs now, those reviews weren't on John Lewis site when I last looked.
    The reviews on John Lewis aren't great, but for what it's worth the KS7000 is very highly regarded as one of the best 4K TVs you can buy right now by every professional review site I've looked at.
    [rabbit hole about ethics in professional tv review web sites]
  • Blackmarsh63 13 Sep 2016 15:43:12 1,099 posts
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    @quadfather The KS7000 doesn't come in 65" otherwise i'd have got that instead of the KS8000. The only differences are the refresh rate and the stand. Samsung have binned 3D if that was a something that you maybe wanted.

    KS7000 Review

    Edited by Blackmarsh63 at 15:52:06 13-09-2016
  • MrMattAdz 13 Sep 2016 15:47:19 3,671 posts
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    @quadfather yeah the B6 is oled, somehow forgot to mention that despite it being it's main selling point haha
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 15:48:33 29,679 posts
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    Cheers

    I'm leaning towards that 7000.

    Does anyone want to buy a non HDR 4k telly, for some reason? :)
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 15:48:51 29,679 posts
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    Haha :)
  • Pazie 13 Sep 2016 15:57:10 1,160 posts
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    @MrMattAdz I was told that by a member of staff in Huges. Maybe I should see if that TV is in the WHICH magazine and see what they have to say. It is in my price range to, as those OLED models are still a lot of money.
  • Gregolution 13 Sep 2016 16:08:19 8,607 posts
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    I don't really understand this obsession with input lag. The OLED LG E6 has the best picture quality on the market right now, surely the picture quality is the most important thing when buying a tele? Is 38ms input lag really that noticeable? So much that you'd pick a worse overall picture just to drop it 10ms?

    I get the impression input lag is really over rated among gamers...
  • MrMattAdz 13 Sep 2016 16:21:32 3,671 posts
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    @Gregolution I wouldn't really know if 38ms is playable without actually playing with it myself, and it would vary from game to game how important it is. I think that 38ms would be playable but if you've been playing on a TV with maybe 20ms input lag you're going to notice that difference when you switch, and not in a good way.

    I tried played on my parents Samsung smart TV from a few years ago that had 63ms of input lag, it wasn't an enjoyable experience and I ended up using a different TV that was smaller, had a lower quality display, sound from the TV rather than a soundbar, and it was more enjoyable. Input lag is one of those things that you will probably always notice and be thinking about if it's high enough, if it's low though it'll never cross your mind.

    Edited by MrMattAdz at 16:22:03 13-09-2016
  • Gregolution 13 Sep 2016 16:32:33 8,607 posts
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    well my OLED has 49ms of lag, and I changed from a 35ms and can't notice any difference. If anything I've improved in MP because it's bigger and I sit closer to it.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 16:41:42 29,679 posts
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    I'm thinking if it jumps into the 100's, it's going to cause a problem. 25 to 45 is probably negligible but some of them state they're around 30 but that's without all the HDR settings on, and some jump enough with HDR on to cause issues
  • MrMattAdz 13 Sep 2016 16:43:05 3,671 posts
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    That's probably just down to your old age that you can't notice the difference ;)

    You've got half a second of input lag there though, on a single player game like uncharted that probably doesn't matter, but on a competitive mp game or something like dark souls that's clearly going to handicap you if you're adding half a second to your reaction times.

    I'm not saying that you should sacrifice everything else just for input lag, if I had the money I'd almost definitely get the LG B6 for that sweet sweet oled goodness, but it's definitely something to be mindful of when you're choosing a new TV to game on.
  • quadfather 13 Sep 2016 16:45:16 29,679 posts
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    Fucking telly's!

    Fucking gamers!
  • Gregolution 13 Sep 2016 16:47:11 8,607 posts
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    half a second? 50ms is 5% of a second.
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