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  • Chopsen 29 Jul 2013 21:57:43 15,830 posts
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    SirScratchalot wrote:
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    As a parent, I'd like to tell you that all weapons two people can bring to bear against an industry amounts to very little. While the government filtering the internet is silly a parents control effectively ends once a child is able to independently move out of sight. Then you hope whatever preassures you've installed in their little heads will outweigh the loud voices of their peers and the media. And once again, that does not mean I'm positive towards internet filtering, just that the responsibility of a child never falls entirely only on two people.
    Yeah, I appreciate that. And the other side of that is no matter *what* you do, kids will find a way to circumvent it.

    Centrally imposed network filtering is no better than a locally enforced whitelist. Some smartarse is always going to get roung it.

    What I would like to see though is the message to be sent that responsibilty rests with the parents to control this kind of stuff. Even the idea of making it an opt-out system is implicitly saying "don't worry about this, we recognise you're incapable of doing this, we'll sort it out." (Tin foil hat alert:) It does engender the mentality of learned helplessnes, that the state knows best and can dictate what you should and should not do. The "think of the children" angle is being used to work it through the back door.
  • SirScratchalot 29 Jul 2013 22:32:41 7,872 posts
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    Ha, to some degree that's parenting, working against a smartarse with no other job than to question and circumvent your best efforts. Meanwhile you have to hold down a job and think of all the child-caring stuff when you're already tired.

    I find the focus of this bill completely off though, I wholeheartedly support legislation about in app purchases for example or god forbid SMS-loans because the consequences of allowing a child near them can be incredible and kids really are not adults. They don't take decisions the same way, their brain is not our brain but nobody knows you better then your kids.

    They know the security measurments, the platitudes you are going to throw out, everything. They've been observing since birth and you will always be a slow-moving thing in a young life compared to what goes on around them.
    And as such I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea that we simply throw our kids into the pool of everything that is the connected world and then hope they don't swim in the parts that are corrosive either.
    It's a tough nut to crack, but parents alone I don't think can be the answer any more than government alone is.
    But yes, if anyone introduces a bill to "protect children", especially from hard to define negative consequences that is almost always a smokescreen and you are right to see it as such.

    Edited by SirScratchalot at 22:37:22 29-07-2013
  • Deleted user 29 July 2013 22:38:43
    I really don't get the arguments that this is the foundation of a big government conspiracy to control your Internet. That is assuming far too much competency on the government. Right now I think the benefits of stopping port being so easily accessible to the majority of children is worthwhile.
  • Chopsen 29 Jul 2013 22:46:18 15,830 posts
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    I think calling it an *organised* conspiracy is a bit much. But it being a manifestation of the fact that any nation state likes to control things, and that the internet is a bit of an unweildy mess that they're all struggling with in their own way is not a massively leap.

    And yes, they're generally bit incompetent in the way they're going about it.

    Edited by Chopsen at 22:48:08 29-07-2013
  • X201 29 Jul 2013 22:49:20 15,225 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    IRight now I think the benefits of stopping port being so easily accessible to the majority of children is worthwhile.
    Where do you stand on Sherry?
  • Syrette 29 Jul 2013 22:51:01 43,232 posts
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    He's right you know, port is an old man's drink.

  • glaeken 29 Jul 2013 22:56:09 11,122 posts
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    So is their any proof that children accessing porn causes any issues at all? I know people like to bang on about it but just what sort of problem is it causing? I just think it's a lot of fuss about nothing. I really don't see it would hold much interest to children anyway once that get past the naughty aspect of seeing it for the first time. As for teenagers seeing it who cares about that.
  • DrStrangelove 29 Jul 2013 22:59:18 3,577 posts
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    Proof? Who needs proof? We're talking about politics. Not about facts.
  • X201 29 Jul 2013 23:01:01 15,225 posts
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    I suppose you have to break it down into different types having different effects.
  • Mr_Sleep 29 Jul 2013 23:05:59 16,920 posts
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    There is anecdotal evidence, what more do you need? There's a good moral maze on this subject recently that is worth a listen.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Deleted user 29 July 2013 23:19:45
    Just another step to the PC State.
  • Mr-Brett 29 Jul 2013 23:42:05 12,743 posts
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    SG59 wrote:
    Just another step to the PC State.
    Yeah fuck that shit, controllers for life!

    Portable view - Never forget.

  • Slurmseh 6 Aug 2013 11:34:02 2,336 posts
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    So I just got an account with Virgin for my internet. What do I have to do to still be able to view filthy dirty porn?
  • MrDigital 6 Aug 2013 11:53:03 1,866 posts
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    Slurmseh wrote:
    So I just got an account with Virgin for my internet. What do I have to do to still be able to view filthy dirty porn?


    P.S. Can't remember if I or someone else has already posted this.

    Formerly TheStylishHobo and Geesh.

  • DaM 19 Aug 2013 18:32:14 12,968 posts
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    I see the Camerons are holidaying on Jura...where Orwell wrote 1984! Clearly looking for inspiration for his next move - 60 inch telescreens I reckon.
  • EMarkM 13 Sep 2013 22:03:01 3,173 posts
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    Is this still a thing?
  • MetalDog 30 Nov 2013 12:02:16 23,697 posts
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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/29/ukgovs_interwebs_mission_creep_now_it_plans_to_get_isps_to_block_extremist_sites_too/

    Mission creep - what a shocking surprise!

    -- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.

  • glaeken 30 Nov 2013 12:13:10 11,122 posts
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    So if I can opt in for porn can I also opt in for extremist sites? I do a bit of amateur terrorism from time to time so I have a legitimate need to access extremist sites.
  • MetalDog 30 Nov 2013 12:17:57 23,697 posts
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    @glaeken

    It's the perfect excuse to put all the 'opt in' chaps on a list, you might get discounts!

    -- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.

  • EMarkM 30 Nov 2013 12:19:03 3,173 posts
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    @MetalDog Good old El Reg commentators showing exactly how futile, yet equally how dangerous this is.

    Freedom of speech/communication? I'd like to keep mine, please, and will be voting accordingly.

    I generally hate tabloid journalism and do not read any form of newspaper, instead gathering my news from sources as I see fit, but, with Voltaire, I shall defend our rights to have it.
  • glaeken 30 Nov 2013 12:46:57 11,122 posts
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    I believe Al Jazeera was classified as an extremist site for a while in the US so it will be interesting to see if it's handled as cack handed in the UK. Extremist blurring into stuff we don't agree with is the worry. It would be nice to see some proper opposition on this in the commons but it seems to be getting a smooth ride as far as I am aware. What is the Millipede's position on this?

    Edited by glaeken at 12:50:20 30-11-2013
  • ecureuil 30 Nov 2013 12:49:09 76,647 posts
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    So I assume The Guardian will be banned then?
  • Dirtbox 30 Nov 2013 16:04:25 77,633 posts
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    I can think of reasons other than stopping extremists for doing this and it's pretty scary. They're going to use it to put pirates in the same bucket as terrorists and use the fact they're circumnavigating their "safeguards" as an excuse to jail them.

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  • Moot_Point 30 Nov 2013 16:10:49 3,958 posts
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    Is there some sort of time scale as to when this will happen? Or is this just an idea that is to monitor the backlash of it being implemented?

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  • Cappy 30 Nov 2013 16:40:28 11,883 posts
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    I suppose the costs of administering all this with the ongoing opt-out process gets pushed back onto us indirectly as well, just like the hidden get broadband to the rich people living out in rural areas charge added onto our bills currently.
  • sport 30 Nov 2013 17:46:11 12,667 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I can think of reasons other than stopping extremists for doing this and it's pretty scary. They're going to use it to put pirates in the same bucket as terrorists and use the fact they're circumnavigating their "safeguards" as an excuse to jail them.
    The sooner DB is behind bars the better.
  • glaeken 1 Dec 2013 12:27:44 11,122 posts
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    Moot_Point wrote:
    Is there some sort of time scale as to when this will happen? Or is this just an idea that is to monitor the backlash of it being implemented?
    You know something that springs to mind is this is a government IT project. So I expect they will pay millions to some consultancy firm and in a year two's time they will realize they have got nowhere with the project and it will be scrapped.

    This is the normal path of a government IT project so lets hope it holds true to the norm.
  • Dirtbox 16 Dec 2013 16:04:03 77,633 posts
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    It begins.

    BT just can't wait to stop those juices flowing.

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  • Load_2.0 16 Dec 2013 16:06:03 19,099 posts
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    Virgin shut my access to filestube recently.

    Will have to stream my porn now.

    Fuckers.
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