The Next Xbox will decide Microsoft's entire fate, and I'm not sure they even know it... Page 3

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  • EMarkM 5 Apr 2013 15:11:11 3,174 posts
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    @glaeken The question you were answering was, "when did programs become apps."

    The correct answer was that they didn't.
  • Deleted user 5 April 2013 15:13:41
    The question was "when did programs start being called apps?". Which is pretty legitimate.
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 15:16:59 11,177 posts
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    Exactly. And for Microsoft that appears to be with Windows 8. I assume they started calling everything Apps in Windows 8 as it's now been established as a recognised term that people are familiar with and I would say Apple are responsible for making Apps a term that most people are familiar with.
  • disusedgenius 5 Apr 2013 15:18:21 5,333 posts
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    Well done guys, now this thread smells of Ass-burgers :(
  • Deleted user 5 April 2013 15:18:30
    Yeah, I've heard people call random software "apps". I even had to catch myself from doing it the other day.
  • EMarkM 5 Apr 2013 15:21:27 3,174 posts
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    I'm not trying to be a cock; I'm a nice guy, honest!

    What I have been failing to communicate is that programs have not started being called "apps"; applications have started being called "apps".

    Programs are a different thing, being sections of runnable code that may or may not form parts of an application, which itself describes a user-facing object.

    I'll shut up now; it's what everyone wants :)
  • glaeken 5 Apr 2013 15:21:29 11,177 posts
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    @disusedgenius It already smelt quite bad before. And come on who does not love a meaningless argument about semantics?

    @EMarkM So what do we call an application that consists of just a single program? Proglication?

    Edited by glaeken at 15:23:39 05-04-2013
  • lazymanschair 5 Apr 2013 15:22:42 27 posts
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    I love new shiny, so im hopeing Ill be able to afford both over the next few years. Like others have said, Ive no allagience to either,but my 360 has more games, likely because i bought it first, and I find the controller more comfortable, it also helps that when I bought my first xbox live subscription the girl in HMV gave me 6 cards in the box by mistake, I've havent had to buy one since.

    Anyway Im not too fussed about always online, if its a case like some preowned games now and having to buy an online pass, or maybe itll force the stores to lower the price of games to pre-owned levels after a number of weeks.

    I do agree that the PS4 seems to be focussing their sights on the enthusiast gamer(who cant afford or doesnt want the headache of building a decent pc), moreso than MS, but again Im not sure this will ultimately disuade buyers.

    End of the day, I want all the consoles to succeed, WiiU inclusive, if the envirements for the big budget games isnt there, then everyone loses out.
  • graysonavich 5 Apr 2013 15:41:04 7,355 posts
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    EMarkM wrote:
    What I have been failing to communicate is that programs have not started being called "apps"; applications have started being called "apps".

    Programs are a different thing, being sections of runnable code that may or may not form parts of an application, which itself describes a user-facing object.
    mmm, I'd disagree. "Pre-iPhone" I'd call everything a program, it was just the term everyone used. "Application" was very rarely used.

    Like Gremmi says, I've even caught myself using the term "app" when describing something that a few years ago would have just been a "program".

    Yes, it's Friday and I'm counting down the hours until the weekend.
  • EMarkM 5 Apr 2013 15:42:12 3,174 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    @EMarkM So what do we call an application that consists of just a single program? Proglication?
    I think we have a moral obligation to!!

    Edited by EMarkM at 15:42:28 05-04-2013
  • Concrete 5 Apr 2013 15:52:25 582 posts
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    SomaticSense wrote:
    If the rumours around the focus of the next Xbox are true (and lets face it, the pre-announcement rumours regarding the PS3 were fairly accurate), then MS are dead as a console manufacturer. If they keep pushing the 'do-all' casual side and step it up further in what 90% of potential consumers will still view as a games console, then they are screwed. Sony will destroy them.

    XBL account loyalty will also mean jack shit, because if the rumoured lack of BC comes to fruition then there will be no better time for an allegience reset for those who can afford only one console. On a personal level, I've stuck with the 360 despite the reliability problems (I'm on my fourth) purely because of my collossal 360 game library, the controller, and the (mostly) better quality multiformat games. Remove those advantages out of the equation, and add mandatory Kinect, superfulous non-gaming media functions, system specs again largely equal to or lesser than it's competitor, and a generally increased focus on the casual market and I'm out of there ASAP.

    A console generation 'reset' will mean that should MS even slightly fuck up - and from the rumours plus what we actually know means that is looking very, very likely - then Sony will dominate the market even more than they did with the PS1 or PS2, as the hardcore 360 owners looking to upgrade will never have a better opportunity to switch brands without any real sacrifice. And with the price of admission being so high, plus the recession, gamers will only go for what they want out of a console regardless of brand loyalty.

    Games sell game consoles, and currently only Sony seem to recognise this. If MS don't realise and carry on as they are, then they will go the way of Sega except without a string of great licenses to whore out.

    Edited by SomaticSense at 14:46:21 05-04-2013
    Complete Bullshit. (See I can be a twat too ;) )

    Sony have the same anti-second hand sales systems going into their PS4 service. People seem to forget, consoles are sold at a loss and funded by a percentage of every game sale going to the console manufacturer. When Gamestop/Game sell a second hand game they get nothing.

    If you think they Kaz will continue to run Sony as a charity when they are absolutely broke you are smoking some top quality shit.
  • EMarkM 5 Apr 2013 16:04:49 3,174 posts
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    @graysonavich I'm disagreeing with your disagreement but I'm leaving it there as promised! :)

    What I will agree with is an earlier post that mentions how slowly things move in the real world of industry.

    I am a database administrator for "the world's largest building society", and have previously been a programmer, then applications developer, working in IT in the financial sector since 2001.

    I can state there is no way IN HELL that we would move away from the Windows Server and Desktop platforms.

    There is a perceived risk that anything else is unsecure and, more importantly, unsupported.

    Microsoft's core business around the world is not going anywhere soon!
  • SomaticSense 5 Apr 2013 16:10:37 8,337 posts
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    @Concrete You read my post in the other thread as a direct insult just because I disagreed with you?

    Just because I said "bullshit" it doesn't mean I was aggressively attacking you. What if I said the exact same but replaced bullshit with codswallop? Would we then be friends?

    I think you may have problems if you feel any disagreement is a personal attack. It wasn't even as if I told you you were wrong and to fuck off without an explanation of why I disagreed, as happens far too often on this forum.

    I'll remember in future then to tread on eggshells around your posts, to never swear, and to always politely agree, lest I come across as a "twat" again.

    Edited by SomaticSense at 16:15:50 05-04-2013
  • robthehermit 5 Apr 2013 16:10:47 4,075 posts
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    I can definitely say that I will be purchasing a next gen console. Probably on release day. Always online doesn't bother me too much. 90% of my Xbox usage is Netflix/Sky Go so It's connected all the time anyway. And to be honest, how many people actually disconnect their consoles from the network anyway? I can count on 1 finger the amount of times I've done that. And that was with Far Cry 3 and the uplay server being down.

    Edited by robthehermit at 16:13:50 05-04-2013

    GT: robthehermit

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  • FanBoysSuck 5 Apr 2013 16:17:38 1,483 posts
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    graysonavich wrote:

    When did programs start being called apps?
    That's actually what everyone called their program's back when I was in Uni 10 years ago, it just seems like marketing has caught on! I had a conversation with my dad not too long ago (he was a programmer in the 70/80's) and he said the same thing.

    Edited by FanBoysSuck at 17:40:12 05-04-2013

    For the emperor!

  • beastmaster 5 Apr 2013 16:20:41 11,418 posts
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    Forget about Nintendo needing to do a great E3 and show some games. Microsoft are going to have to pull something truly amazing out of the bag.

    Sony must be loving all this.

    Edited by beastmaster at 16:21:01 05-04-2013

    The Resident Evil films. I'm one of the reasons they keep making them.

  • Concrete 5 Apr 2013 16:22:56 582 posts
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    @SomaticSense

    I've got 99 problems but a forum post ain't one ;)

    I don't take offense to either your post or with people disagreeing with me. Its just that joining a conversation with a highly aggressive statement will almost certainly get people's backs up in any scenario.

    Don't worry I'm not about to stalk you across the Eurogamer forums :D
  • graysonavich 5 Apr 2013 16:32:08 7,355 posts
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    FanBoysSuck wrote:
    That's actually what everyone called their program's back when I was in Uni 10 years ago, it just seems like marketing has caught on ;)
    Macfags need not apply :)
  • senso-ji 5 Apr 2013 16:37:02 5,915 posts
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    I think the new xbox will do fine; it might not be as powerful as the PS4 (we don't know this yet) or have annoying always online requirements, but the xbox brand is established and so will sell.

    MS's future as a whole, on the other hand, depends on the emerging economies. When I started Uni ten years ago, we were told that the Brazilian government were using Linux instead of Windows OS to save money. This might have replicated itself in India, China, Indonesia, etc. This might not make a difference now, but in 40-50 years, if the new generations are used to using open source software for day to day tasks, then MS will be in trouble. Add to that the Tablet/phone market, which is dominated by Android in SE Asia, and MS dragging their heels and making no visible effort to compete in that area.

    MS could survive in such a scenario by streamlining their business and focusing on USA/EU territories, but that's still tough with Apple snapping at their heels.
  • dominalien 5 Apr 2013 16:44:53 6,864 posts
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    MS is strong in areas Apple doesn't even want to try and compete in, i.e. the corporate world. Linux is strong on servers. We all know where Apple excels. There's room for everyone.

    I'd be very surprised if we were still using the same products, from the same companies, 40/50 years down the line.

    PSN: DonOsito

  • FanBoysSuck 5 Apr 2013 18:17:20 1,483 posts
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    graysonavich wrote:
    FanBoysSuck wrote:
    That's actually what everyone called their program's back when I was in Uni 10 years ago, it just seems like marketing has caught on.
    Macfags need not apply
    I've taken out the smilies as they don't display on the iPhone app properly. I'm new to macfaggotory so it doesn't really apply lol

    For the emperor!

  • RyanDS 5 Apr 2013 18:25:13 9,386 posts
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    robthehermit wrote:
    I can definitely say that I will be purchasing a next gen console. Probably on release day. Always online doesn't bother me too much. 90% of my Xbox usage is Netflix/Sky Go so It's connected all the time anyway. And to be honest, how many people actually disconnect their consoles from the network anyway? I can count on 1 finger the amount of times I've done that. And that was with Far Cry 3 and the uplay server being down.
    My 360 is disconnected. Mainly as I moved my router and couldn't be arsed setting up cabling as every other device in the world can use wifi.

    So I switched entirely to PSN.
  • Syrette 5 Apr 2013 18:38:07 43,524 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    I love windows 8. Just bought a second copy to go on my desktop. The square boxes and lines appeal to my OCD i think.
    I always wonder how many people installed Windows 8 and when they booted up, Metro was displaying their porn folder in full HD glory on their homescreen
    People still download porn over streaming it?

  • PenguinJim 6 Apr 2013 03:45:58 5,865 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    I love windows 8. Just bought a second copy to go on my desktop. The square boxes and lines appeal to my OCD i think.
    I always wonder how many people installed Windows 8 and when they booted up, Metro was displaying their porn folder in full HD glory on their homescreen
    People still download porn over streaming it?
    Of course! Gotta be ready for the zombie apocalypse!
  • Syrette 6 Apr 2013 19:18:05 43,524 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    Syrette wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    I love windows 8. Just bought a second copy to go on my desktop. The square boxes and lines appeal to my OCD i think.
    I always wonder how many people installed Windows 8 and when they booted up, Metro was displaying their porn folder in full HD glory on their homescreen
    People still download porn over streaming it?
    Of course! Gotta be ready for the zombie apocalypse!
    That's a fair reason I suppose. As is going to live in a remote location.

    Downloading porn is sooo 2005.

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