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PhoenixFlames wrote:Haha. As I listened it made me laugh a little because the guy trying a little too hard to convince Dawkins his point was valid. Very ironic.
I couldn't listen to more than 10 seconds of that twat Muslim on the video.
mowgli wrote: I fucking love willies.
Rusty_M wrote:Sadly, this viewpoint is held by a large number of people and is demonstrably incorrect. How is Islam no more of a "problem" of the belief in nothing (atheism) when Islam instructs husbands to beat their disobedient wives, to wage war on unbelievers, to discriminate against non-believers, to view women as the property of men etc? You can argue that it's up to the person whether or not they commit these acts, but if their religion instructs such behaviour then surely it is facetious to argue that they are bad person when in fact they are merely behaving piously?
Islam is no more of a problem than Buddhism or Christianity or Atheism. It's the people who do messed up shit in the name of their beliefs that bother me. I can't stand when people try to tell others what to believe, saying little more than "because I'm right, and your belief system is bollocks".
Graveland wrote:Very well put, I agree. The thought of Islam trying to replace the declining religions in the west is a scary thought to me to be honest. (Scary as in a civil war as people ultimately reject religion as a form of mass control)
Islam is complete bollocks. The same can be said about Christianity. By moving away from the shackles of Christianity, Europe is arguably a better and more open and tolerable society. Religion didn't bring about these changes, it was the rejection of religion that brought enlightenment.
mowgli wrote: I fucking love willies.
Moot_Point wrote:Graveland wrote:Very well put, I agree. The thought of Islam trying to replace the declining religions in the west is a scary thought to me to be honest. (Scary as in a civil war as people ultimately reject religion as a form of mass control)
Islam is complete bollocks. The same can be said about Christianity. By moving away from the shackles of Christianity, Europe is arguably a better and more open and tolerable society. Religion didn't bring about these changes, it was the rejection of religion that brought enlightenment.
EuroStalker wrote:Sweeping generalisation tbh. It's possible to be a decent person with a sound moral compass with or without religion imo.
Religion has a purpose, to instil moral values. Humans are not born knowing what is good and bad. It is kind of a knowledge which is passed from parent to child, mainly through beliefs.
Without religion, human race would be no different from animals. It is people's beliefs throughout history which has lead to the ascent of man. Babylonians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Mayans, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Indians etc. all had belief systems which saw them develop and evolve.
Atheism is for simple minded, insular people. If left to Atheists, semen on bed sheets would be considered great art.
B0rked_Gamer wrote:Of course you are allowed, in the sense of having the capacity and opportunity to do so, in social interaction.RedSparrows wrote:Why am I allowed? Why not? Just to be clear I don't go around asking people if they're religious and then tear then down but if they make a point of bringing up religion I give my opinion on the subject.B0rked_Gamer wrote:It is real for them. Why are you allowed to tell them it's not?i, with respect, doubt you are entirely rational about all aspects of lifeMrTomFTW wrote:It really isn't the same as enjoying Rock Band. Rock Band is real for one thing. I don't understand this it isn't real but they're happy with it argument. Why should I or indeed anyone be happy with so many people believing in utter nonsense?B0rked_Gamer wrote:And how is that your problem? Or Dawkin's problem. It's a bigger version of going up to people playing Rock Band and going "You're not really playing that, STOP HAVING FUN".
But they are absolutely wrong.
So what if you know it isn't real, they're happy with it.
EuroStalker wrote:Fixed for truth. Religion is a (sometimes substantial) part of any culture, but the latter shapes the former at least as much as the other way around (along with several other variables, like climate).
Culture has a purpose, to instil moral values. Humans are not born knowing what is good and bad. It is kind of a knowledge which is passed from parent to child, mainly through culture.
Without culture, human race would be no different from animals. It is people's culture throughout history which has lead to the ascent of man. Babylonians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Mayans, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Indians etc. all had cultural systems which saw them develop and evolve.
EuroStalker wrote:you have left me speechless. i've tried to issue a rebuttal and this is the best i can do. i am staggered that you actually believe that.
Religion has a purpose, to instil moral values. Humans are not born knowing what is good and bad. It is kind of a knowledge which is passed from parent to child, mainly through beliefs.
Without religion, human race would be no different from animals. It is people's beliefs throughout history which has lead to the ascent of man. Babylonians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Mayans, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Indians etc. all had belief systems which saw them develop and evolve.
Atheism is for simple minded, insular people. If left to Atheists, semen on bed sheets would be considered great art.
disusedgenius wrote:I see what you're saying, and I probably agree with you, but wasn't some form of religion around before culture properly developed?
Saying that religion helped culture to evolve puts the cart before the horse, for me. Seems more that organised religion is a product of culture evolving.
EuroStalker wrote:The idea that morality cannot exist without religion is utter nonsense.
Religion has a purpose, to instil moral values. Humans are not born knowing what is good and bad. It is kind of a knowledge which is passed from parent to child, mainly through beliefs.
Without religion, human race would be no different from animals. It is people's beliefs throughout history which has lead to the ascent of man. Babylonians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Mayans, Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, Indians etc. all had belief systems which saw them develop and evolve.
Atheism is for simple minded, insular people. If left to Atheists, semen on bed sheets would be considered great art.
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