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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Nov 2012 22:36:50 6,521 posts
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    @trentusmcspliffus The motherboard should have clear instructions. It can be a bit fiddly, but it's all relatively straightforward. The bundle packs I mentioned before will save you the job of doing the processor or RAM as well, which I often find the two most annoying bits!

    Other thing, remember to check the motherboard size against your case. ATX (huge), Micro ATX, or Mini ATX. Not all cases will fit all types, don't go for too small as the 7850 graphics card takes up two slots, so you don't want it to be too tightly packed in.
  • trentusmcspliffus 24 Nov 2012 22:46:41 11 posts
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    @FutileResistor what does the SSD add to it? purely more space? because I have a 1TB external hardrive that I store most of my stuff on, so I don't need a huge amount of space.
  • DUFFMAN5 6 Feb 2013 15:49:39 15,436 posts
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    Hi chaps
    Not too sure where else to ask...
    Can you recommend a home PC. I now NOTHING (I really mean nothing) about pc's expect our 5 year old home one is fooked.

    We have a laptop, but I want a "standard" set up as well. We already have a monitor and keyboard so it only need be the desktop part. It would be used for surfing the net, kids homework, look and store family photos and music cd's etc

    Re gaming, it only needs to be enough to run Skyrim and Sims games, ideally cheap as poss of course.

    Any help with links please.
    Thank you

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  • nickthegun 6 Feb 2013 15:52:46 61,357 posts
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    http://www.ebuyer.com/409310-cyberpower-gaming-battalion-502-pc-ecc01142

    http://www.ebuyer.com/409176-cyberpower-dual-attack-elite-gaming-pc-ecc01140

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  • DUFFMAN5 6 Feb 2013 16:19:19 15,436 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    http://www.ebuyer.com/409310-cyberpower-gaming-battalion-502-pc-ecc01142

    http://www.ebuyer.com/409176-cyberpower-dual-attack-elite-gaming-pc-ecc01140
    Cheers Nick
    Will the cheaper one do all I need ?

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  • andytheadequate 6 Feb 2013 16:20:46 8,375 posts
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    The cheaper one has a poor graphics card(not sure whether it would play skyrim), the more expensive one would easily do all you need but may be a bit overkill.
  • FutileResistor 6 Feb 2013 20:50:14 1,239 posts
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    This would be much easier if you were going to build it yourself.

    Get this for 235.53. It's worth contacting freshtech to see if you can upgrade to a 1TB or TB HDD for an extra 25 to 40.

    Stick in this for 85. Comes with free Farcry 3, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman Absolution.

    And Windows 8 Professional for 43.

    That's a system for about 365 which will perform better than either of the linked systems.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 20:58:04 06-02-2013
  • teamHAM 7 Feb 2013 22:45:39 3,153 posts
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    A bit of advice would be appreciated:

    I'm buying a new PC and with it will probably get a GTX680. I plan to pair this up with a 1200p monitor with built-in speakers (for space saving purposes).

    So I am planning to use HDMI to connect the card to the monitor (this should also save a cable for audio). Will this be ok? On the site for the 680 it says it is compatible up to 1920x1200 via HDMI 1.4a. Therefore I just connect the Mini-HDMI to HDMI adaptor and the HDMI cable from the card to the monitor and it will work right? After a bit of research a lot of people are going on about DVI being superior but I don't really see how.

    TL;DR - Connecting a 680 to a 1200p monitor via HDMI will get me 1200p on the monitor right? And not shunt me down to 1080p because of compatibility issues.

    Edited by teamHAM at 22:47:06 07-02-2013

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  • Dirtbox 8 Feb 2013 06:32:40 79,217 posts
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    Yeah that's fine.

    The only real drawback of using HDMI over DVI is you might have to mess around with twitchy overscan settings for all the different resolutions and refresh rates. It's dependant on the screen though and doesn't always apply.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 06:48:00 08-02-2013

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  • grey_matters 8 Feb 2013 06:41:41 3,863 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    This would be much easier if you were going to build it yourself.

    Get this for 235.53. It's worth contacting freshtech to see if you can upgrade to a 1TB or TB HDD for an extra 25 to 40.

    Stick in this for 85. Comes with free Farcry 3, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman Absolution.

    And Windows 8 Professional for 43.

    That's a system for about 365 which will perform better than either of the linked systems.
    As far as Windows 8 goes, I bought an OEM version a week or so ago for 15 (+VAT). I think there is a few weeks left to do it that way.

    Edited by grey_matters at 06:43:14 08-02-2013
  • Armoured_Bear 8 Feb 2013 08:08:56 11,939 posts
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    teamHAM wrote:
    A bit of advice would be appreciated:

    I'm buying a new PC and with it will probably get a GTX680. I plan to pair this up with a 1200p monitor with built-in speakers (for space saving purposes).

    So I am planning to use HDMI to connect the card to the monitor (this should also save a cable for audio). Will this be ok? On the site for the 680 it says it is compatible up to 1920x1200 via HDMI 1.4a. Therefore I just connect the Mini-HDMI to HDMI adaptor and the HDMI cable from the card to the monitor and it will work right? After a bit of research a lot of people are going on about DVI being superior but I don't really see how.

    TL;DR - Connecting a 680 to a 1200p monitor via HDMI will get me 1200p on the monitor right? And not shunt me down to 1080p because of compatibility issues.
    Is it worth getting a 680 over a 670?
    When I was buying a few months ago the price difference was far greater than the performance difference between the 670 and 680.
    May be better with a 670 and keeping the cash for a later "proper" upgrade...

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  • FutileResistor 8 Feb 2013 08:09:46 1,239 posts
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    @gm

    I thought that Windows 7 upgrade offer ended on Jan 31st. I just had a look and you're right, it runs to Feb 28th. So yeah, do that.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 08:10:51 08-02-2013
  • FutileResistor 8 Feb 2013 08:14:55 1,239 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    teamHAM wrote:
    A bit of advice would be appreciated:

    I'm buying a new PC and with it will probably get a GTX680. I plan to pair this up with a 1200p monitor with built-in speakers (for space saving purposes).

    So I am planning to use HDMI to connect the card to the monitor (this should also save a cable for audio). Will this be ok? On the site for the 680 it says it is compatible up to 1920x1200 via HDMI 1.4a. Therefore I just connect the Mini-HDMI to HDMI adaptor and the HDMI cable from the card to the monitor and it will work right? After a bit of research a lot of people are going on about DVI being superior but I don't really see how.

    TL;DR - Connecting a 680 to a 1200p monitor via HDMI will get me 1200p on the monitor right? And not shunt me down to 1080p because of compatibility issues.
    Is it worth getting a 680 over a 670?
    When I was buying a few months ago the price difference was far greater than the performance difference between the 670 and 680.
    May be better with a 670 and keeping the cash for a later "proper" upgrade...
    Honestly at 1200p, even the 670 is overkill for 99% of games unless you're doing 3D gaming on a 120Hz monitor.
  • teamHAM 8 Feb 2013 12:14:18 3,153 posts
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    Well I thought about getting a 120Hz monitor but I gather the main benefits of it won't be seen unless you are at 100fps+, and I'm not overly confident I will get that consistently at Ultra settings so was planning on 60Hz.

    I was recommended the 680. I basically just want something that will play most of the things my family will end up playing this year. So Skyrim, GTAV, SimCity and probably Warcraft at ultra settings.

    Maybe I am overkilling with a 680.....?

    Edited by teamHAM at 12:15:26 08-02-2013

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  • m1lly 8 Feb 2013 13:28:35 14 posts
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    Why are people recommending windows 8? 0_o
  • Dirtbox 8 Feb 2013 13:40:25 79,217 posts
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    Because it's excellent with a couple of simple tweaks.

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  • grey_matters 8 Feb 2013 13:58:25 3,863 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Because it's excellent with a couple of simple tweaks.
    I'm going to have to trawl through the Win 8 thread for those tweaks, the best I've done is click through to Desktop for normal-ish operation and Alt-F4 to send it to sleep.

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  • Dirtbox 8 Feb 2013 14:10:28 79,217 posts
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    Pokki is probably the easiest of all the tweaks.

    http://www.pokki.com/windows-8-start-menu

    Edited by Dirtbox at 14:11:16 08-02-2013

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  • m1lly 8 Feb 2013 14:13:25 14 posts
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    windows 7
  • nickthegun 8 Feb 2013 14:17:47 61,357 posts
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    Windows 3.1

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  • m1lly 8 Feb 2013 14:51:21 14 posts
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    sorry!

    so what are the benefits of having windows 8 over windows 7?
    i find the gui to be disguuuuusting!
  • nickthegun 8 Feb 2013 15:01:01 61,357 posts
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    It starts faster, shuts down faster and does every day tasks faster.

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  • m1lly 8 Feb 2013 15:11:42 14 posts
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    would there be a noticeable difference with an over buffed system?
  • nickthegun 8 Feb 2013 15:14:22 61,357 posts
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    Assuming you mean a 'powerful system' it will still start up much, much faster.

    All other improvements are incremental and probably wouldnt get noticed by most people but they are there.

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  • Bremenacht 8 Feb 2013 15:15:32 19,684 posts
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    No issues with games on Windows 8 then? Steam works fine. Everything works just fine?
  • grey_matters 8 Feb 2013 15:26:09 3,863 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Pokki is probably the easiest of all the tweaks.

    http://www.pokki.com/windows-8-start-menu
    Cheers. Looks just the job.
  • FutileResistor 9 Feb 2013 01:44:18 1,239 posts
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    teamHAM wrote:
    Well I thought about getting a 120Hz monitor but I gather the main benefits of it won't be seen unless you are at 100fps+, and I'm not overly confident I will get that consistently at Ultra settings so was planning on 60Hz.

    I was recommended the 680. I basically just want something that will play most of the things my family will end up playing this year. So Skyrim, GTAV, SimCity and probably Warcraft at ultra settings.

    Maybe I am overkilling with a 680.....?
    There's more to it than this but grossly simplifying, 60Hz monitors can't show more than 60fps so running a game at above this framerate is pointless on a 60Hz display. I know this statement will open a whole can of worms

    Obviously GTAV and Sim City are not yet out but you should be fine with any of these in ascending performance order:

    1GB 7850 138 with free Farcry 3, Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider.
    2GB 7850 168 with free Farcry 3, Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider.
    GTX 660 160 with free Assassin's Creed 3.
    Radeon 7870 183 with free Farcry 3, Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider.
    GTX 660 Ti 230 with free Assassin's Creed 3.
    Radeon 7950 216 with free what looks like Crysis 3 and Bioshock Infinite. I've no idea why this is different from the official AMD never settle bundle.

    GPU Relative Performance Summary at different resolutions.
    GPU Relative performance in Skyrim at different resolutions

    Edited by FutileResistor at 01:46:02 09-02-2013
  • b0rk 9 Feb 2013 01:52:43 2,945 posts
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    I was going to recommend the video card I'm using (naturally) but it seems somewhat overpriced compared to the 7950 which offers similar or better performance for about 100 less. Get the 7950.
  • teamHAM 9 Feb 2013 01:59:01 3,153 posts
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    @FutileResistor

    Thanks for taking the time to do that. It's appreciated.

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  • Widge Moderator 1 Mar 2013 13:19:56 13,746 posts
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    m1lly wrote:
    sorry!

    so what are the benefits of having windows 8 over windows 7?
    i find the gui to be disguuuuusting!
    GUI is much better if you are using the OS on a front room TV. Standard desktop wasn't really suited for usage from across a room, so the tiles and actual apps come in really handy.

    Lovely being able to press search and start dipping through netflix and whatnot.

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