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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 16:05:17 3,829 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    @INSOMANiAC
    Is it for the living room, spare room?
    What is the monitor/TV?

    BTW Blowing life savings out of boredom sounds utterly stupid and the kind of thing you'll massively regret later.
    I start a new job in february so I'll be ok and Im selling the contents of my shop I wont starve. The TV is in the spare room its a 720p LG cant remember if its 26 or 28 inch

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 16:05:37 6,654 posts
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    Scan do some decent bundles. Near you if you're in the north west; Bolton I think. Could be worth consideration in case you get a fault.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 16:05:51 6,654 posts
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  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 16:07:58 6,521 posts
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    Yeah Scan are pretty good, worth a look.
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 16:22:57 3,829 posts
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    Overkill?

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  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 16:28:00 6,654 posts
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    Maybe change the CPU to the i5. If I were you though, against what people are suggesting, I build a computer that can do 1080p even though your tv can't handle it.

    1080p is well worth a TV upgrade imo; it's a massive part of why PC games look sharper than their console counterparts.

    Thinking about it, saving money on your pc components, could be part of the cost of a new television.
  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 16:34:05 6,521 posts
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    Thing is, you are going for a cutting edge cpu and cutting edge gfx card when you could get a machine 90% as capable, and used the spare cash to get a 1080p TV that both machines could easily handle, and then just upgrade to sli or new gfx card in a couple of years if needs be.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 16:37:55 6,654 posts
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    Yeah, I agree. Also, given the rhetoric about the graphics hardware in the next xbox, I'd be surprised if a 670 wouldn't be future proof even into the next iteration of consoles.

    I'm sure I've read that the next generation will be quite a modest increase in performance?? And this card shits on the 360 without breaking sweat.

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 16:38:50 14-11-2012
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 16:46:52 3,829 posts
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    Would an i5 and a 670 be theoretically able to handle Crysis 3 at max settings at a suitably high resolution?

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  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 16:47:16 6,521 posts
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    It shits on the card that is shitting on the 360.
  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 16:48:39 6,521 posts
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    You are getting into theoreticals.

    However, if you get an overclocked top end i5 and a decent 670 I would be surprised if it wouldn't hit or get close to top settings at all reasonable resolutions.
  • Armoured_Bear 14 Nov 2012 16:52:46 10,585 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    Would an i5 and a 670 be theoretically able to handle Crysis 3 at max settings at a suitably high resolution?
    Yes

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  • Armoured_Bear 14 Nov 2012 16:58:48 10,585 posts
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    Get one of these and a cheaper PC.

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 17:20:30 3,829 posts
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    as much as Id give my right testicle for one of those in the freedom/wanking room, its far too small, It'd be like sitting next to the sun.

    Im just a bit concerned if I want to upgrade the CPU in a few years and I have an i5 I'll have to get another motherboard. Then again, I assume the 'i9' will be out by then and that will have its own socket wotsits anyway.... hmm...

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  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 17:22:31 4,868 posts
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    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Toms Hardware rate the Radeon 7970 over either the 670 and the 680. Comparable performance to the 680 at about a tenner more than the cost of a 670.

    Beyond this card the diminishing returns aren't worth it.

    They also say that the core i5 3570 is the best CPU to get; beyond which the benefits are again, not worth the extra money.
    There are other benefits to the NVidia cards, such as PhysX, lower power consumption, noise and 3d capabilities.

    These cards are massive overkill for 720p and the talk of SLI is insanity, I think the OP should explaing better what he wants to do.
    Fair enough, I haven't looked into power consumption etc.
    Save a few quid and go for a 660ti which is literally the same card. The benchmarks for the 660ti make the 670 pointless. You'll be blasting through games for the next two years at 1080p with one of these.
  • RobTheBuilder 14 Nov 2012 17:23:23 6,521 posts
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    @INSOMANiAC If you got a scan overclocked i5, you would need one hell of a game to challenge it. The only thing you would ever upgrade would be the graphics card, by time that CPU is dated it will be new PC time.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 17:25:59 6,654 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Toms Hardware rate the Radeon 7970 over either the 670 and the 680. Comparable performance to the 680 at about a tenner more than the cost of a 670.

    Beyond this card the diminishing returns aren't worth it.

    They also say that the core i5 3570 is the best CPU to get; beyond which the benefits are again, not worth the extra money.
    There are other benefits to the NVidia cards, such as PhysX, lower power consumption, noise and 3d capabilities.

    These cards are massive overkill for 720p and the talk of SLI is insanity, I think the OP should explaing better what he wants to do.
    Fair enough, I haven't looked into power consumption etc.
    Save a few quid and go for a 660ti which is literally the same card. The benchmarks for the 660ti make the 670 pointless. You'll be blasting through games for the next two years at 1080p with one of these.
    Yeah they're supposed to be good.
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 17:28:08 3,829 posts
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    Im looking now at the scan bundles, they have this on their 'today onlys'

    What do you reckon?

    here

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  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 17:32:41 4,868 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    Im looking now at the scan bundles, they have this on their 'today onlys'

    What do you reckon?

    here
    You'd be better off buying everything seperate which will save you a few quid and do the overclocks yourself.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 14 Nov 2012 17:35:24 6,654 posts
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    Looks good. I wouldn't worry too much about your machine becoming obsolete in terms of future upgrading potential. The last few generations of PCs have required new motherboards anyway so you'ld never buy anything if you're waiting for a computer that is totally future proof. Also, the factor that strongly dictates how games run is overwhelmingly the quality of your gpu, which you'll be able to upgrade anyway.

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 17:36:18 14-11-2012
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 17:37:01 3,829 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    Im looking now at the scan bundles, they have this on their 'today onlys'

    What do you reckon?

    here
    You'd be better off buying everything seperate which will save you a few quid and do the overclocks yourself.
    aye, I worked it out and I'd only be a hundred quid better off and I'd have 8gb less ram and an i5 instead of an i7 compared to my proposed machine. Im going to have another go at sticking one together on a lesser budget...

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  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 17:57:00 4,868 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    captbirdseye wrote:
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    Im looking now at the scan bundles, they have this on their 'today onlys'

    What do you reckon?

    here
    You'd be better off buying everything seperate which will save you a few quid and do the overclocks yourself.
    aye, I worked it out and I'd only be a hundred quid better off and I'd have 8gb less ram and an i5 instead of an i7 compared to my proposed machine. Im going to have another go at sticking one together on a lesser budget...
    Go towards a nice 27 inch monitor. 8gb is the standard and will be for a good 3-4 years so anything above that is pretty pointless and just throwing money away (unless you plan on video editing). Again an i7 is major overkill and won't future proof you any better than an i5 buddy. I'd go for:

    I5
    8gb
    660ti
    700watt power supply
    Asus p8z77
  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 18:01:45 3,829 posts
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    How does this strike you?

    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z77
    159.00

    PSU
    Cooler Master RS750-ACAAE3-UK GX-Series 750W 80 Plus
    73.60

    Case
    NZXT H2
    69.87

    Graphics Card
    PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 670 - Graphics card - GF GTX 670 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
    278.75

    RAM
    Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B 8GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance
    32.45


    Processor
    i5-3570k
    166.10

    DVD
    DVD 22x Samsung SSUNG/SH-222BB/BEBE
    11.96

    Total price

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    791.64
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    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 18:07:32 14-11-2012

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 19:30:49 14-11-2012

    Edited by INSOMANiAC at 19:42:04 14-11-2012

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  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2012 18:13:35 4,868 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    How does this strike you?

    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z77
    159.00

    PSU
    Thermaltake PSU SMART 650W/ 80plus
    71.81

    Case
    NZXT H2
    69.87

    Graphics Card
    PNY XLR8 GeForce GTX 670 - Graphics card - GF GTX 670 - 2 GB GDDR5 - PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
    232.29

    RAM
    Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B 8GB 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance
    32.45


    Processor
    i5-3570k
    166.10

    Total price

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    743.18
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    Really nice MB. I'd change the power supply for an XFX 750 ( gives you room for future cards etc) and a 670 for a 660ti as they are more or less the same. The most dangerous thing you can skimp on is a case so i'd go for a coolmaster haf 932.
  • Deleted user 14 November 2012 18:31:52
    @INSOMANiAC

    My rule of thumb of building long life systems, is to never spend more on a GPU or the motherboard, than the CPU. CPU generations are much longer than GPU generations normally, and motherboard with good chipset underpins the ability to benefit from improvements in software development looking forward.

    Just last week I built a new system for myself (and decommissioned my old Conroe, while adding a 2x 400mhz overclock to run win8 for my Dad).

    In my new build I went for a Core i7 3820(socket 2011) + Asus Sabertooth X79 with 16GB of (quad channel) RAM. The bundle including uprated heatsink and fan cost me 615, and then I went for a cheap (85) GTX650, as a make shift kepler solution, until a 670/680/690 drop to 100, or a GTX 750 arrives next year costing 120.

    The aim should be to get two years near the top end, 12months level with new mid-range systems and two years where a new GPU is needed and CPU overclocking is a welcome addition.

    Others like dirtbox will tell you otherwise, but the choice is either perpetually upgrading everything in a system, or going big on CPU/Motherboard and having a system that will last easily, with just minor upgrades for 5years.
  • superdelphinus 14 Nov 2012 18:42:59 8,049 posts
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    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    @Armoured_Bear

    Thanks, that motherboard looks like it may be a better option, is gains on the 680 vs the 670 not worth the price hike then? To be honest as it stands, I dont have enough room in the spare room for a monitor so Im going to playing games on the relatively modest 720p for the time being.
    my word. I'm a pc component idiot and even I know that system is insanely overpowered to run games at 720p. 'insanely' doesn't even cover it really. I can run 99% of games at 1080p on max settings with the 3570k cpu and a graphics card that cost slightly less than half of a 680
  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 18:51:49 2,959 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    Save a few quid and go for a 660ti which is literally the same card. The benchmarks for the 660ti make the 670 pointless. You'll be blasting through games for the next two years at 1080p with one of these.
    I picked up the MSI Power Edition of the 660ti last week. It's one of the fastest of the models around as it is already factory overclocked. And you can very easily overclock it further and get the same benchmarks as a 670. And it's nearly 100 less than a 670. For 1080p gaming you needn't go as far as 670 which is a fantastic card but only really needed for higher than 1080p resolutions.

    I've been running everything - including Crysis 2 - on highest settings at 60fps.

    My build from last week:

    i5 3570K
    Asus P8Z77-V
    16GB Corsair Vengeance (I run some high memory music software)
    MSI GTX 660TI Power Edition
    OCZ 120GB SSD
    Coolermaster Storm Enforcer Case - came with GX Lite 650W PSU.

    Added in a couple of hard disks I already owned too. And an Asus Xonar DX sound card, which I prefer over mobo sound.

    Whole lot came to around 750.

    Edited by Maturin at 18:56:26 14-11-2012
  • Maturin 14 Nov 2012 18:52:40 2,959 posts
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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 18:57:59 3,829 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    INSOMANiAC wrote:
    @Armoured_Bear

    Thanks, that motherboard looks like it may be a better option, is gains on the 680 vs the 670 not worth the price hike then? To be honest as it stands, I dont have enough room in the spare room for a monitor so Im going to playing games on the relatively modest 720p for the time being.
    my word. I'm a pc component idiot and even I know that system is insanely overpowered to run games at 720p. 'insanely' doesn't even cover it really. I can run 99% of games at 1080p on max settings with the 3570k cpu and a graphics card that cost slightly less than half of a 680
    Yes but as I said later I will be getting a monitor at some point, maybe even right now if I have the spare money

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  • INSOMANiAC 14 Nov 2012 19:00:13 3,829 posts
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    @Maturin

    Can you point me in the direction of a 660ti that's 100 cheaper than a 670 mate as I can get the 670 at 233 but the cheapest msi 660ti I see is 220

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