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  • RobTheBuilder 26 Sep 2012 13:32:41 6,521 posts
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    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
  • kalel 26 Sep 2012 13:33:55 83,875 posts
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    15 to 30 is a much bigger age gap then say 30 to 45. It's not about the 15 years, it's about the changes you go through in that time, and your perception of age as a concept. When you're 30 45 year olds are basically your peers, but when you're 15 a 30 year old seems a couple of generations away from you.

    So I don't buy the proximity argument. 30 and 15 are not close in age.
  • RobTheBuilder 26 Sep 2012 13:34:06 6,521 posts
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    @THFourteen Of course, but they still can have a legitimate relationship that makes them both happy. Because they can say 'it's ok when we get a bit older' they try and justify it to themselves.
  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:35:16 41,865 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    15 to 30 is a much bigger age gap then say 30 to 45. It's not about the 15 years, it's about the changes you go through in that time, and your perception of age as a concept. When you're 30 45 year olds are basically your peers, but when you're 15 a 30 year old seems a couple of generations away from you.

    So I don't buy the proximity argument. 30 and 15 are not close in age.
    Not only that, a 30 year old is twice the age of a 15 year old, whereas a 45 year old is only half as old again as a 30 year old.

    Yes, it is different.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 26 Sep 2012 13:35:26 83,875 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
  • Zomoniac 26 Sep 2012 13:37:16 7,402 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:37:41 41,865 posts
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    That's fine, and happens all the time.

    Edit: In fact, what the fuck are you on about Zomoniac?

    Edited by LeoliansBro at 13:38:07 26-09-2012

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • TheSaint 26 Sep 2012 13:37:43 13,629 posts
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    Surprised he's a maths teacher. This always seems like more of a PE or Geography thing to do.
  • RobTheBuilder 26 Sep 2012 13:37:54 6,521 posts
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    @kalel Of course, hence the half your age plus 7 system... but they are still close enough together that these things will sometimes crop up.

    A guy I know once went to a school to help out with some 16 year old, and he said that sometimes it's easy to forget how young they are. I did give him a funny look...
  • nickthegun 26 Sep 2012 13:38:26 55,866 posts
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    He actually seems to be saying that the age gap is sufficiently small for this kind of thing to be completely inevitable.

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    He totally called it

  • sport 26 Sep 2012 13:39:01 12,046 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
    oh Zom!
  • Zomoniac 26 Sep 2012 13:39:11 7,402 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    That's fine, and happens all the time.

    Edit: In fact, what the fuck are you on about Zomoniac?
    I meant in the context of a new teacher and someone in year 13. In any other context it would be fine, and whilst it would still technically (I believe) be classed as an abuse of power in the circumstances, would most people take issue with it as being so?
  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:39:55 41,865 posts
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    senso ji has already answered that Zom. Check the rest of the thread.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Zizoo 26 Sep 2012 13:39:56 7,706 posts
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    No, because there's a big difference between a 18 year old and a 15 year old.
  • kalel 26 Sep 2012 13:39:58 83,875 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
    It's both feasible and totally reasonable, due to 18 being well over the age of consent, not to mention being much closer in age to 23.

    I've no idea what your point is here.
  • RobTheBuilder 26 Sep 2012 13:40:28 6,521 posts
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    @kalel Not automatically. But the likelihood of a genuine relationship arising decreases as the age gap widens.

    So where as 30% of 15+30 year old cases may be a relationship situation (still wrong, but different to one sided abuse), 99% of 15+50 year old cases are likely to be straight forward abuse.
  • kalel 26 Sep 2012 13:42:18 83,875 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @kalel Not automatically. But the likelihood of a genuine relationship arising decreases as the age gap widens.

    So where as 30% of 15+30 year old cases may be a relationship situation (still wrong, but different to one sided abuse), 99% of 15+50 year old cases are likely to be straight forward abuse.
    You're kinda scaring me.

    IMO 100% of relationships of anyone over say 18 (at a push) with a 15 year old are abusive.
  • Zomoniac 26 Sep 2012 13:42:27 7,402 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
    It's both feasible and totally reasonable, due to 18 being well over the age of consent, not to mention being much closer in age to 23.

    I've no idea what your point is here.
    That it would still be a sex offence, despite everyone saying it would be totally reasonable.
  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:42:43 41,865 posts
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    Rob, if a relationship is unsuccessful in the long term, that doesn't make it automatically abusive.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 26 September 2012 13:43:35
    kalel wrote:
    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
    It's both feasible and totally reasonable, due to 18 being well over the age of consent, not to mention being much closer in age to 23.

    I've no idea what your point is here.
    The only issue there would be favouritism and the potential that the teacher is abusing their position of authority. Not one for the police but one for the school/college board.
  • RobTheBuilder 26 Sep 2012 13:43:38 6,521 posts
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    @nickthegun On a small number of occasions yes. It shouldn't happen, but it will crop up.
  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:43:52 41,865 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    That it would still be a sex offence, despite everyone saying it would be totally reasonable.
    Christ, read the fucking thread you mong. As a teacher he can't do this with any of his pupils while they are in school. If they were 23 and 18 and he wasn't her teacher etc, then it is fine.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 26 Sep 2012 13:44:45 83,875 posts
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    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    Zomoniac wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Aargh. Not according to the church...

    Your point is right, but the difficulty is that it's two different crimes we are talking about. The difference between a student and youngish teacher having a relationship, and an old teacher abusing a young student.
    You seem to be saying if he's 30 and she's 15 that's a relationship, but if he's 50 and she's 15 that's abuse. That's bollocks.
    What if they were 23 and 18? Which is quite feasible.
    It's both feasible and totally reasonable, due to 18 being well over the age of consent, not to mention being much closer in age to 23.

    I've no idea what your point is here.
    That it would still be a sex offence, despite everyone saying it would be totally reasonable.
    It's a different offence for different reasons though. I'd be surprised if the punishment was anything more than losing a job, although I could be wrong.
  • Deleted user 26 September 2012 13:44:50
    We can add a lack of understanding about sex offenses to the list of things to scare us about Zom then.
  • elstoof 26 Sep 2012 13:45:03 6,140 posts
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    I think the parents of the 18 year old and the employer of the 23 year old would be legally obliged to take issue Zom.
  • Zomoniac 26 Sep 2012 13:45:10 7,402 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Zomoniac wrote:
    That it would still be a sex offence, despite everyone saying it would be totally reasonable.
    Christ, read the fucking thread you mong. As a teacher he can't do this with any of his pupils while they are in school. If they were 23 and 18 and he wasn't her teacher etc, then it is fine.
    I know that, I was wondering if the EG population (probably not the best survey of ethical reasoning, I know) thought it was immoral, despite it being illegal.
  • Deleted user 26 September 2012 13:46:18
    Is this your new idea to get a girlfriend?
  • mcmonkeyplc 26 Sep 2012 13:46:47 38,899 posts
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    You sick fucks...

    Carry on.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • LeoliansBro 26 Sep 2012 13:48:11 41,865 posts
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    Of course it's immoral, not because she's a minor, but because he's in a position of power, is potentially coercing her, and is definitely in breach of the trust her parents have put in him as her teacher.

    So, illegal: check. Immoral: check. Anything else we can help with today?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • rivuzu 26 Sep 2012 13:48:56 483 posts
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    If the ages were closer together, there's actually examples of courts throwing out any charges because of the legal "grey" area of age. It's not as clearcut normally when it's say, a 20 year old and a 15 year old, because you don't know how fast each of them matured and etc.

    But this big a gap? Eh...
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