The Oculus Rift; VR Finally comes of age? Page 32

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  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 10:44:23
    nickthegun wrote:
    Im talking about VR too. We have had one VR phase, albeit 20 years ago, and 'normal people' now see it as a fad that makes you look like a mental while participating.

    Until the time comes where its literally seamless and causes the user no inconvenience, the man on the street will just think its a stupid waste of time. It will gain absolutely no traction with the general public. See also: the apathy towards google glass.
    Pretty much this. And put simply, a big ugly box strapped to your face is not and will never be seamless.
  • LeoliansBro 29 Apr 2013 10:48:52 44,222 posts
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    VR as a useful tech is much more interesting when it is embedded in a pair of glasses and interfaces with the real world. That's the development direction that could change things.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 29 Apr 2013 10:49:37 87,660 posts
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    We think the box strapped to your face thing isn't all that much of a barrier. If the enture console becomes the head unit then we think that actually has loads of potential.

    It's more "looking to aim" in every game and such that we have issues with. We just can't see it being suitable for every game type, which is why we're reluctant to call it anything more than a peripheral.
  • spindizzy 29 Apr 2013 10:49:53 6,516 posts
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    Edit: this was to Nick

    You did see that video of the granny freaking out over it, right? I think that whether OR itself is a big success, it is going to kick start VR, which is very exciting...

    Re: the display issues mentioned in the EG article, I wonder if the eventual solution (many years off!) would be to have a graduated display, with high pixel density in the centre and much less (no colour perhaps) in the peripheral vision area? Or at least render with less fidelity there? Obviously this would be technically very challenging, but just as audio compression takes advantage the limitations of our aural perception, it seems sensible to do the same with the visual limitations we have. Why waste time rendering lots of detail that can't be seen?

    Edited by spindizzy at 10:50:35 29-04-2013
  • nickthegun 29 Apr 2013 11:03:34 59,912 posts
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    spindizzy wrote:
    Edit: this was to Nick

    You did see that video of the granny freaking out over it, right? I think that whether OR itself is a big success, it is going to kick start VR, which is very exciting...
    Yeah, the granny loved it but 'woo! Its like im playing tennis!' was shouted from the rooftops when Wii sports came out and look how quickly motion controls were dropped.

    I have no doubt OR will kick off VR, but its kicking it off from nothing to 'a bit'. Im glad everyone is excited about it and there are working kits out there but I absolutely cannot see how this will be anything more than an incredibly niche toy for wealthy nerds.

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  • Fake_Blood 29 Apr 2013 12:08:55 4,209 posts
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    I like the black and white opinions here. Either it's going to change everything or it's going to fail.

    Also, not having tried it and dismissing the entire idea because "it makes you look like a mental" is just funny. Do people really care how they look when they are at home gaming?
  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:10:55
    Fake_Blood wrote:
    I like the black and white opinions here. Either it's going to change everything or it's going to fail.

    Also, not having tried it and dismissing the entire idea because "it makes you look like a mental" is just funny. Do people really care how they look when they are at home gaming?
    To a point, it will be limited to basement dwellers otherwise.
  • LeoliansBro 29 Apr 2013 12:11:05 44,222 posts
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    You have to give credit though - this thing got built.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:12:23
    I think black and white opinions are the only type that are relevant here. It is all well and good saying it looks good and it would be nice if it stuck around, but unless this is a success - i.e. mass market appeal - it isn't going to get the dev support required beyond novelty mod support. Devs don't go the effort of accomodating fancy new gadgets unless it is worth their while.
  • 1Dgaf 29 Apr 2013 12:13:43 3,830 posts
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    I'm not sure the 'looks like a mental' thing is important. People will be using these devices at home, not in public.

    And if someone makes fun of you at home, that's a different problem altogether.

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  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:13:51
    Fake_Blood wrote:
    I like the black and white opinions here. Either it's going to change everything or it's going to fail.

    Also, not having tried it and dismissing the entire idea because "it makes you look like a mental" is just funny. Do people really care how they look when they are at home gaming?
    Of course they do, most people don't like being blinded (with this on I mean - not saying long term) for the sake of 20 mins of CoD.
  • kalel 29 Apr 2013 12:15:05 87,660 posts
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    To be honest we're not seeing much in the way of people totally dismissing it. As far as we can see there's people saying it'll change everything, and people that think it's interesting but probably won't change everything.
  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:19:49
    We think VR has significant potential but until it doesn't need a helmet and them to dance around in a room then it'll be a gimmick. Unlike Kinect it can't be used for our party games so it will be single player experiences only.
  • Deckard1 29 Apr 2013 12:23:10 27,981 posts
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    DECKARD THINKS THAT IT LOOKS OK BUT LIMITED. DECKARD WOULDN'T MIND A GO ON ONE BUT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BUY ONE. DECKARD ALSO REALLY WANTS IT TO FAIL, MAINLY BECAUSE OF SILENTBOBS OVER ENTHUSIASM AND METAMORPHOSIS INTO A MULTI PART SENTIENT BEING.
  • kalel 29 Apr 2013 12:25:53 87,660 posts
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    We're not convinced the 3rd person singular voice carries the same level of gravitas as the 1st person plural.
  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:27:20
    So it this the new funny?
  • nickthegun 29 Apr 2013 12:27:27 59,912 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    Also, not having tried it and dismissing the entire idea because "it makes you look like a mental" is just funny. Do people really care how they look when they are at home gaming?
    You know what? A lot of people probably do. I very rarely 'game' somewhere where people cant see me and I know for a fact that you look like a cunt with a VR headset on.

    I can imaging that goes for a lot of potential customers.

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  • monkman76 29 Apr 2013 12:27:37 4,243 posts
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    monkmen76s don't understand what's suddenly wrong with first person singular :(
  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:29:15
    mowgli wrote:
    So it this the new funny?
    We don't know what they mean.
  • Deckard1 29 Apr 2013 12:32:44 27,981 posts
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    Deckard believes that only by mixing up different ways of referring to himself, can we really convey the importants of the Occulost Rift, and we believe that I have seen the future. And Deckard knows its Occulerst shaped.
  • nickthegun 29 Apr 2013 12:33:21 59,912 posts
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    Edited by nickthegun at 12:33:32 29-04-2013

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  • 1Dgaf 29 Apr 2013 12:40:46 3,830 posts
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    I think it's a shame that people will avoid new experiences - whether it's the Rift or something else - because they're concerned they'll look silly.

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  • Fake_Blood 29 Apr 2013 12:41:10 4,209 posts
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    We'll see, what gives me hope is that it demos really well on casuals. My dad spend 15 minutes riding that rollercoaster demo yesterday, laughing like a madman. Then his partner flew the helicopter round that island for a good while. Neither of them have played a videogame ever, they are in their 60s.
    And my gf loves that arkanoid game I posted.
    She does some light gaming though.
  • nickthegun 29 Apr 2013 12:43:49 59,912 posts
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    1Dgaf wrote:
    I think it's a shame that people will avoid new experiences - whether it's the Rift or something else - because they're concerned they'll look silly.
    I know its not cool to admit on the internet that you have a heightened sense of self, but I and many other people do.

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  • kalel 29 Apr 2013 12:45:30 87,660 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    We'll see, what gives me hope is that it demos really well on casuals. My dad spend 15 minutes riding that rollercoaster demo yesterday, laughing like a madman. Then his partner flew the helicopter round that island for a good while. Neither of them have played a videogame ever, they are in their 60s.
    And my gf loves that arkanoid game I posted.
    She does some light gaming though.
    That's cool, and nobody in their right mind will deny the high-impact novelty potential of this.

    That's really the whole thing though. That's the easy bit.
  • nickthegun 29 Apr 2013 12:45:52 59,912 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    We'll see, what gives me hope is that it demos really well on casuals. My dad spend 15 minutes riding that rollercoaster demo yesterday, laughing like a madman. Then his partner flew the helicopter round that island for a good while. Neither of them have played a videogame ever, they are in their 60s.
    Its *exactly* the same things that were trotted out with the wii. Will a pair of pensioners whooping it up translate into sales or will they just go back to whatever they were doing before hand and forget about it?

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  • Load_2.0 29 Apr 2013 12:46:13 19,268 posts
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    Problem with goggles is that anyone with a dick is going to download pornfucker v3.2 immediately.

    Then remove those goggles to reach for the Kleenex and see the distraught face of the weeping mother/sister/wife/postman.
  • Mr-Brett 29 Apr 2013 12:48:42 12,788 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    I think black and white opinions are the only type that are relevant here. It is all well and good saying it looks good and it would be nice if it stuck around, but unless this is a success - i.e. mass market appeal - it isn't going to get the dev support required beyond novelty mod support. Devs don't go the effort of accomodating fancy new gadgets unless it is worth their while.
    Support is being built into all the major 'off the shelf' engines which means it should be very little effort to implement into future games.

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  • neilka 29 Apr 2013 12:52:06 15,914 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    And put simply, a big ugly box strapped to your face is not and will never be seamless.
    Nobody ever said married life would be easy.

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • Deleted user 29 April 2013 12:52:09
    Mr-Brett wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    I think black and white opinions are the only type that are relevant here. It is all well and good saying it looks good and it would be nice if it stuck around, but unless this is a success - i.e. mass market appeal - it isn't going to get the dev support required beyond novelty mod support. Devs don't go the effort of accomodating fancy new gadgets unless it is worth their while.
    Support is being built into all the major 'off the shelf' engines which means it should be very little effort to implement into future games.
    Again that just goes back to the problem of it just being a novelty perspective instead of a new way to game. It needs to be more than a 3d TV if it wants to have a place.
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