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  • sir_smooch 23 May 2012 21:43:31 34 posts
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    Well i have been using my current setup for some time now and have upgraded cpu and gpu and pc case in that time but am wondering if maybe now is a good time to get a new mobo, cpu and ram to cope better and make my gaming experiences a little more smoother.

    My current specs are:

    intel C2Q 8300 2.5ghz running @ 3ghz
    Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2
    Asus p5q pro turbo
    2x2 gb ddr2 800mhz crucial ballistix
    gigabyte gtx560 oc edition
    nzxt case

    I have been looking at this [http://www.ebuyer.com/362735-intel-g...l-gamer-bundle]Description_here[/link]

    Would those items be a good choice and increase in performance over what i have? or could i achieve similar performance as that bundle but with other cheaper components and save a little as my budget is less than 300.

    would like to get an ssd at some point to another reason for wanting to update my mobo any suggestions??
  • Deleted user 23 May 2012 21:49:35
    Well it depends what you are using your PC for. If you want better gaming performance it depends on what screen resolution you are using. If you game at 1920x1080 or above you won't notice much difference as the 560 will be giving you all it can. The 2500k is a much faster CPU so for video transcoding ect you will get much better performance.
  • FutileResistor 23 May 2012 22:17:38 1,238 posts
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    I'm assuming you want performance in gaming, in which case a quad core at 3GHz is fine, no need to change your CPU.

    This GTX 570 for about 210 would be a better upgrade, sell the GTX 560 afterwards to defray costs.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 22:19:26 23-05-2012
  • Dirtbox 23 May 2012 23:09:01 78,897 posts
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    A 570 from a 560 is a completely granular upgrade and utterly pointless.

    As far as I can see, you don't need any type of upgrade whatsoever, it's still a fair system that might not be cutting edge, but it's well inside the midrange and can easily play anything you want to throw at it.

    There aren't many games that rely on the CPU, but what you have is perfectly capable for anything you need it for. In my opinion, that computer has at least another year of good gaming in it.

    If you're dead set on something to put some spring in it's step, than have a loot at getting an SSD and double it's ram if possible. Make sure it's not a 32bit motherboard though, or it won't let you access the extra.

    When you get around to it, look at getting an i5 CPU and a z68 motherboard with some ddr3 ram.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:01:46 24-05-2012

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  • THFourteen 23 May 2012 23:29:38 34,275 posts
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    Hehe have a "loot"
  • Dirtbox 23 May 2012 23:30:09 78,897 posts
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    OH GOD

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  • Pinky_Floyd 23 May 2012 23:58:57 8,272 posts
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    I'm still gaming on a q6600 @3.2 ghz.

    4 gb of ram and a radeon 5850.

    Gaming at 1900x something or other.

    Would like to upgrade my GPU but wonder how true it is that my CPU will bottleneck a new GPU? All the cool kids say so.

    Perhaps a new GPU, Ssd drive and another 4gb of ram would juice up my baby for a year or two?

    What do you think?

    Edited by Pinky_Floyd at 23:59:41 23-05-2012
  • sir_smooch 24 May 2012 12:17:41 34 posts
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    well firstly guys thanks for all your advice, i really appreciate that :)
    yeah i am kinda happy with what i get from what i have it just that the ddr3 sounds so much faster than my ddr2 which is virtually impossible to buy now and ddr3 is both cheap and accessable except my mobo is older and doesn't run ddr3 which is pretty much the same problem with getting an ssd i just don't think my mobo would utilise it tbh i have seen some newer skt 775 mobos on ebuyer but unless mistaken they seem to actually have less features than mine ie. sata ports and usb's.

    oh yeah and i game on 1900x1080 and gpu is a great gpu i think although the 690/670 looks an absolute beast but would need to win lotto to get that lol
  • THFourteen 24 May 2012 12:29:39 34,275 posts
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    I have a Radeon 6870 which should be fairly cheap now, and it runs most things pretty well at 1900x1200

    With BF3 and Crysis 2 a few things have to be turned down from Ultra to get a decent frame rate, but it works fine.

    When picking a gfx card, i find you cannot go wrong with the advice here:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

    Just go to the page which suits your budget and it will tell you exactly what you can expect for your money
  • Dirtbox 24 May 2012 12:56:14 78,897 posts
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    Graphics card upgrade won't do a thing, that 560 probably gives as good a performance as you'll get with that box.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 12:56:37 24-05-2012

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  • Deleted user 24 May 2012 13:00:29
    Get an SSD drive.
  • PearOfAnguish 24 May 2012 13:07:30 7,466 posts
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    eBuyer is doing 128GB Crucial M4 for 79.99. Get that.
  • FutileResistor 24 May 2012 15:23:42 1,238 posts
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    @sir_smooch

    There is very little difference between DDR2 and DDR3 in performance terms.

    You have to be running Win 7 or Vista 64bit to benefit from more than 4GB of RAM.

    I don't think there are any games that would see any performance boost going from 4GB to 8 GB. You will get a smoother experience in a multitasking environment going from 4GB to 8GB.

    Changing to a quad core sandy bridge or ivy bridge and keeping the same GPU would not improve the performance of any of your games.

    I would guess that at least half the people in this thread are running an overclocked Core 2 Quad and wondering whether to upgrade to sandy or ivy. It's a real dilemma because there will be no benefits from a gaming perspective, although you will save electricity.

    The only way to significantly improve your current system for gaming is to change your GPU. Hence my original recommendation for the GTX 570.

    While Dirtbox's comment that the 570 is not a huge improvement on the 560 is correct. It is still about 25% - 40% better in many games. The next step up, the GTX 670 or Radeon 7950 are 300 and I am loathe to recommend cards for much over 200 because they just aren't good value for money.

    A quick google shows that there is a hack to do SLI on the Asus p5q pro turbo. So you could also consider that.
  • Dirtbox 24 May 2012 15:26:30 78,897 posts
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    It's nothing like a 25% performance increase. Plus you'll probably have to buy a new PSU to power it because it needs an 8 pin moly. Not only that, but you probably wouldn't see any performance boost anyway as it'll still be bottlenecked by the CPU and ram.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 15:28:41 24-05-2012

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  • FutileResistor 24 May 2012 15:30:37 1,238 posts
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    I second the comments about getting an SSD.

    It won't really benefit your gaming performance but it will make the experience of using your PC a lot snappier.

    I would recommend the M4 128GB that PearOfAnguish posted, it's very good.
  • Dirtbox 24 May 2012 15:37:27 78,897 posts
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    I'd personally go for one of the Samsung 830 series SSDs, they're faster and they last a lot longer.

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  • FutileResistor 24 May 2012 15:48:09 1,238 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    It's nothing like a 25% performance increase. Plus you'll probably have to buy a new PSU to power it because it needs an 8 pin moly. Not only that, but you probably wouldn't see any performance boost anyway as it'll still be bottlenecked by the CPU and ram.
    Anandtech GPU Bench GTX 560 v GTX 570 seems fairly conclusive to me. I don't see a single game where it isn't at least 25% faster.

    Is the Gigabyte OC edition of the 560 signicantly faster than stock? If it's more like the 560 Ti 446, I concede your point.

    Arghh I mean 560 Ti 448. I don't know where that 6 came from.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 15:52:10 24-05-2012
  • sir_smooch 25 May 2012 19:04:56 34 posts
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    Well just wanted to say a big thanks for everyones advice. i think maybe on the whole i will wait a year before upgrading the main components but
    will deffo consider an ssd drive and i have heard a lot of good about the crucial m4 my only concern is will my motherboard allow any extra benefit?? or hold it back alot?? I won't change my 560oc quite yet i think it is a great card for value and have read if the voltage can be upped it will oc not far off the Ti specs. unfortunately i don't know how to unlock the voltage :( so it doesn't seem an option but still get awesome bang for my buck as they say and it runs supercool ;)
  • FutileResistor 25 May 2012 20:11:16 1,238 posts
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    sir_smooch wrote:
    Well just wanted to say a big thanks for everyones advice. i think maybe on the whole i will wait a year before upgrading the main components but
    will deffo consider an ssd drive and i have heard a lot of good about the crucial m4 my only concern is will my motherboard allow any extra benefit?? or hold it back alot?? I won't change my 560oc quite yet i think it is a great card for value and have read if the voltage can be upped it will oc not far off the Ti specs. unfortunately i don't know how to unlock the voltage :( so it doesn't seem an option but still get awesome bang for my buck as they say and it runs supercool ;)

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  • sir_smooch 26 May 2012 20:59:05 34 posts
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    Thanks dude. i will read that up. much appreciated. :)
  • Dirtbox 26 May 2012 21:05:43 78,897 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    It's nothing like a 25% performance increase. Plus you'll probably have to buy a new PSU to power it because it needs an 8 pin moly. Not only that, but you probably wouldn't see any performance boost anyway as it'll still be bottlenecked by the CPU and ram.
    Anandtech GPU Bench GTX 560 v GTX 570 seems fairly conclusive to me. I don't see a single game where it isn't at least 25% faster.

    Is the Gigabyte OC edition of the 560 signicantly faster than stock? If it's more like the 560 Ti 446, I concede your point.

    Arghh I mean 560 Ti 448. I don't know where that 6 came from.
    Again. Not with his existing cpu/ram/motherboard he won't. You're looking at best case scenario, which he's far from.

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  • sir_smooch 26 May 2012 21:44:03 34 posts
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    @Dirtbox its cool man. i think you guys have helped me to maybe appreciate what i have as i am still running games at pretty decent settings as it is lol and after the missus read the comments she thinks the money would be wasted lol so i am probably gonna hold on another year maybe or might even grab an ssd its just a shame that the ones with more space cost so much more than the 120gb ones as i have quite a lot of games installed . But anyway all the advice has been valuable and i really appreciate and probaly won't get another gpu untill the 600 series drops in price or becomes a bit more affordable for me anyway.
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